Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-17 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 20:11 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Would it be totally off topic if everyone were to say what their favourite OS was and why? I'm just a little curious as to what OS's people use in this field. I originally started using Linux 8 years ago at my first job out of school.

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-17 Thread Philip Thompson
On Sep 16, 2008, at 6:26 PM, tedd wrote: At 8:11 PM +0100 9/16/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Would it be totally off topic if everyone were to say what their favourite OS was and why? I'm just a little curious as to what OS's people use in this field. Obviously, mine is Mac and OSX 10.4.11.

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-17 Thread Stut
On 16 Sep 2008, at 23:54, tedd wrote: At 7:40 PM +0100 9/16/08, Stut wrote: On 16 Sep 2008, at 15:59, tedd wrote: Then one day, M$ sent out notice that they would no longer support QuickBasic and that was the end of that. All of our current, and past work, was on a dead-end street. We were

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-17 Thread Jason Pruim
On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Stut wrote: On 16 Sep 2008, at 23:54, tedd wrote: At 7:40 PM +0100 9/16/08, Stut wrote: On 16 Sep 2008, at 15:59, tedd wrote: Snail-mail spam relies upon the same basic fact that electronic spam does... everyone hates it until it offers them something they

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-17 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 15:36 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Stut wrote: On 16 Sep 2008, at 23:54, tedd wrote: At 7:40 PM +0100 9/16/08, Stut wrote: On 16 Sep 2008, at 15:59, tedd wrote: Snail-mail spam relies upon the same basic fact that electronic spam

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread tedd
At 4:27 PM -0500 9/15/08, Philip Thompson wrote: Has anyone seen the new M$ commercial where they are asking these people to review the next version of their OS. Some of the responses of the people were that they really thought this new OS was cool/neat/whatever. Then afterwards, M$ told them

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread tedd
At 10:35 PM +0100 9/15/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Ah I'd heard of this story. What you've forgotten to mention was that the computers were all set up on hardware chosen by Microsoft, and all running software especially picked by Microsoft. Now, I'd hazard a guess that even Microsoft is smart

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread tedd
At 9:53 PM +0100 9/15/08, Stut wrote: As for Microsoft (will people please stop screwing with their name, it's impolite), they've certainly made some bad choices over the years and Windows has suffered for it. I screw with the M$ name because I don't like them! It's not due to their

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread tedd
At 11:30 PM +0100 9/15/08, Stut wrote: Wow, talk about hitting the nail on the head. When Microsoft pick the hardware their OS runs on and the software it runs with it works perfectly. Not exactly. I seem to remember when Gates gave a presentation at Mac World and his slide show locked up.

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread tedd
At 11:57 PM +0100 9/15/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: I agree on your point about trying before bashing. I've tried Vista. Hell, I had to use it for 2 months solid while I was working in India, so I really got to test it out. I had more crashes on that in the 2 months I was using it than I had on

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Stut
On 16 Sep 2008, at 16:06, tedd wrote: At 11:30 PM +0100 9/15/08, Stut wrote: Wow, talk about hitting the nail on the head. When Microsoft pick the hardware their OS runs on and the software it runs with it works perfectly. Not exactly. I seem to remember when Gates gave a presentation at

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Stut
On 16 Sep 2008, at 15:59, tedd wrote: At 9:53 PM +0100 9/15/08, Stut wrote: As for Microsoft (will people please stop screwing with their name, it's impolite), they've certainly made some bad choices over the years and Windows has suffered for it. I screw with the M$ name because I don't

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:59 -0400, tedd wrote: Similarly, I had a run-in with American Express over 30 years ago and even to this day I return all their sales promotion in their self-addressed no-postage envelope they provide. Over the years, I suspect they have paid postage for over 100

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:26 -0400, tedd wrote: At 11:57 PM +0100 9/15/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: I agree on your point about trying before bashing. I've tried Vista. Hell, I had to use it for 2 months solid while I was working in India, so I really got to test it out. I had more crashes on

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Eric Butera
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:26 -0400, tedd wrote: At 11:57 PM +0100 9/15/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: I agree on your point about trying before bashing. I've tried Vista. Hell, I had to use it for 2 months solid while I was

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:04 -0400, Eric Butera wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:26 -0400, tedd wrote: At 11:57 PM +0100 9/15/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: I agree on your point about trying before bashing. I've tried

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Bastien Koert
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:04 -0400, Eric Butera wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:26 -0400, tedd wrote: At 11:57 PM +0100 9/15/08, Ashley

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 16:50 -0400, Bastien Koert wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:04 -0400, Eric Butera wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Ashley Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at

RE: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Boyd, Todd M.
-Original Message- From: tedd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:06 AM To: Stut; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Philip Thompson; PHP General list Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2 At 11:30 PM +0100 9/15/08

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread tedd
At 7:40 PM +0100 9/16/08, Stut wrote: On 16 Sep 2008, at 15:59, tedd wrote: Then one day, M$ sent out notice that they would no longer support QuickBasic and that was the end of that. All of our current, and past work, was on a dead-end street. We were left to fend for ourselves. I don't

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 18:54 -0400, tedd wrote: I realize that you take the high-road on things like this -- I respect that -- that used to be my practice as well. It's very predicable from a business perspective. But times change and I kind of like telling people what I really think --

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread tedd
At 8:11 PM +0100 9/16/08, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Would it be totally off topic if everyone were to say what their favourite OS was and why? I'm just a little curious as to what OS's people use in this field. Obviously, mine is Mac and OSX 10.4.11. My next one will be whatever is the top of

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-16 Thread Ross McKay
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:11:22 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Would it be totally off topic if everyone were to say what their favourite OS was and why? I'm just a little curious as to what OS's people use in this field. Likely yes, but: Fedora 9 works nicely for me and SWMBO. Essentially though,

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Luke
I wouldn't say Microsoft are strictly anti-web, anymore. They appear to be changing the model of their next operating system to cater for 'the cloud.' I think they finally see that they missed the Internet, and they need it? 2008/9/12 Colin Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sancar Saran wrote:

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Lester Caine
Colin Guthrie wrote: Sancar Saran wrote: Don't expect anything good from M$... Oh I don't expect anything good from them, never have, never will, but that still doesn't change my point that sunset dates would probably be better for them in the long run... looking for a reason up upgrade a

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Philip Thompson
On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: Sancar Saran wrote: Don't expect anything good from M$... Oh I don't expect anything good from them, never have, never will, [snip!] Ok, let's not forget about the Xbox! ;) ~Philip -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To

RE: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Boyd, Todd M.
-Original Message- From: Sancar Saran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:15 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2 Because, M$ earning money from Win GUI. No WinGUI

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Rahul S. Johari
On Sep 12, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: -Original Message- From: Sancar Saran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:15 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2 Because

RE: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Boyd, Todd M.
-Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colin Guthrie Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:44 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2 Boyd, Todd M. wrote: tirade Okay

RE: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:18 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: tirade Okay... here it goes. I'm sick and tired of people talking trash on Windows Vista. It came pre-installed on my laptop (Home Premium... not Business Pro, sadly) and I haven't had any issues with it whatsoever. Some of my WinXP

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Ashley Sheridan
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2 Because, M$ earning money from Win GUI. No WinGUI no money. From the begining, M$ try to broke web compatibilty in every way... Sure M$ has bad records about software quality. But even ask yourself. WHY IE

RE: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:18 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: tirade Okay... here it goes. I'm sick and tired of people talking trash on Windows Vista. It came pre-installed on my laptop (Home Premium... not Business Pro, sadly) and I haven't had any issues with it whatsoever. Some of my WinXP

Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2

2008-09-11 Thread Sancar Saran
Because, M$ earning money from Win GUI. No WinGUI no money. From the begining, M$ try to broke web compatibilty in every way... Sure M$ has bad records about software quality. But even ask yourself. WHY IE (especially 5 and 6) SO buggy even M$ standards. M$ isn't mr nice guy and they wont get