Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Stut
On 28 Feb 2008, at 01:21, Jochem Maas wrote: hmm. thing is you need a bit of paper to call yourself an engineer .. I ain't got one. Not in my book you don't. Experience has shown that bits of paper lie better than most people do. Prove yourself to me in person - I'll trust that over any

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Timothy Asiedu
Dear Sir/Madam, Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. I look forward to having a favourable response from you. Thank you. Best regards, Timothy Asiedu. Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Stut
On 28 Feb 2008, at 12:15, Timothy Asiedu wrote: Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. Unsubscribe instructions are in the footer of every email you receive from this list. Follow them to get your favourable

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut schreef: On 28 Feb 2008, at 12:15, Timothy Asiedu wrote: Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. Unsubscribe instructions are in the footer of every email you receive from this list. Follow them to get your

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 02. 28, csütörtök keltezéssel 04.15-kor Timothy Asiedu ezt írta: Dear Sir/Madam, Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. I look forward to having a favourable response from you. Thank you. remove

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stut schreef: On 28 Feb 2008, at 12:15, Timothy Asiedu wrote: Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. Unsubscribe instructions are in the

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 19:50, Matty Sarro wrote: I am still relatively new to any kind of web design or php programming, I'll be completely honest. I am used to working with C, Perl, Java, and a splash of C++. PHP and web application development are kind of a new bag for me and I'm still trying

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's just me but I usually end up rewriting everything I write at least twice. That's just a fact of life and I've found that I end up with far better code that way than I do by trying to get it right first time. It also

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Matty Sarro
I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm foundation to stand on before I really begin. I mean, with c++ or c, all I needed was the language, and that was pretty much it. I could do everything

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Ray Hauge
Matty Sarro wrote: I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm foundation to stand on before I really begin. I mean, with c++ or c, all I needed was the language, and that was pretty much it. I

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm foundation to stand on before I really begin. I mean, with c++ or c, all I

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 3:32 PM -0500 2/27/08, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's just me but I usually end up rewriting everything I write at least twice. That's just a fact of life and I've found that I end up with far better code that way than I do

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a lot of crap. P.S. - Sorry for the rant. ;-P -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek ? while(1) { $me = $mind--; sleep(86400); } ? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:59 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: * Shell scripting (BASh, tcl, Expect, AppleScript, Korn, and so forth) Do many people still use Expect? I thought I might be a dying breed. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Rixham
Matty Sarro wrote: I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm foundation to stand on before I really begin. I mean, with c++ or c, all I needed was the language, and that was pretty much it. I

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:59 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: * Shell scripting (BASh, tcl, Expect, AppleScript, Korn, and so forth) Do many people still use Expect? I thought I might be a dying breed. I

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stephen Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:59:31 -0500 To: Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED], php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Guidance It is. And in my opinion, web developers - specifically PHP-on-*nix developers - are cream-of-the-crop programmers

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 3:59 PM -0500 2/27/08, Daniel Brown wrote: It is. And in my opinion, web developers - specifically PHP-on-*nix developers - are cream-of-the-crop programmers. Not to toot my own horn. Blattt... fllit. We know - and are not afraid to use - the following technologies, and

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development real programming. Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you were a real programmer. Well, I'm not. I'm

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip!] If anyone considers themselves a software engineer rather than a web developer and would like a job in Windsor drop me a note. Depending on how desperate you get, should you design to nix (no pun intended) the

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would include DOM scripting and understanding what the current buzz words mean (i.e., graceful degradation, unobtrusive code, accessible, functional, secure, and compliant). I was going to include terminology as a line

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Stut wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development real programming. Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you were a real programmer.

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Shawn McKenzie wrote: Stut wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development real programming. Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you were a

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 21:42, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip!] If anyone considers themselves a software engineer rather than a web developer and would like a job in Windsor drop me a note. Depending on how desperate you get, should

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jason Pruim
On Feb 27, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Stut wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development real programming. Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you were

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:48 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Stut wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development real programming. Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, oh, you work with web

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 21:50, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Shawn McKenzie wrote: Stut wrote: I've interviewed more than my fair share of web developers who couldn't reverse an array without using array_reverse if their life depended on it. Sometimes it really does scare me! So my experience is that

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Rixham
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:48 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Stut wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: I've interviewed more than my fair share of web developers who couldn't reverse an array without using array_reverse if their life depended on it.

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Nathan Rixham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $yarra We have a wiener. -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek ? while(1) { $me = $mind--; sleep(86400); } ? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Matty Sarro schreef: Greetings all! I am still relatively new to any kind of web design or php programming, I'll be completely honest. I am used to working with C, Perl, Java, and a splash of C++. PHP and web application development are kind of a new bag for me and I'm still trying to get my

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut schreef: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development real programming. Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you were a real programmer. Well,

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Daniel Brown schreef: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would include DOM scripting and understanding what the current buzz words mean (i.e., graceful degradation, unobtrusive code, accessible, functional, secure, and compliant). I was going to include

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 23:25, Jochem Maas wrote: Stut schreef: I DID NOT!! It was him! I only schreef in private! On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development real programming. Because you'd be surprised

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 10:21 PM + 2/27/08, Stut wrote: Anyways, I assume you're based in the US somewhere so unless you're considering emigrating to the UK you were never in the running. -Stut Running? I thought that emigrating was E migrating . You know, like we all form an V and flap around. :-) It's

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 23:25, Jochem Maas wrote: Stut schreef: I DID NOT!! It was him! I only schreef in private! Sure, blame it on me I'm not knocking those who don't apply software engineering principals to their

RE: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Bastien Koert
UK? I was hoping for Windsor Ontario Canada bastien CC: php-general@lists.php.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:21:59 + Subject: Re: [PHP] Guidance On 27 Feb 2008, at 21:50, Shawn McKenzie wrote

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 11:52 PM + 2/27/08, Stut wrote: It's worth noting that I've asked the same question to more than a few interviewees for traditional C/C++ roles, and I never came across one that couldn't do it which I find quite interesting. Incidentally, the same distinction between engineers and

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut schreef: On 27 Feb 2008, at 23:25, Jochem Maas wrote: Stut schreef: I DID NOT!! It was him! I only schreef in private! that's what they all say ... my thunderbird knows different ;-) I've interviewed more than my fair share of web developers who couldn't reverse an array without

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 02:21 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: Stut schreef: It's worth noting that I've asked the same question to more than a few interviewees for traditional C/C++ roles, and I never came across one that couldn't do it which I find quite interesting. Incidentally, the same

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Casey
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Nathan Rixham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matty Sarro wrote: I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm foundation to stand on before I really begin. I