Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
> "Will Assembly be replaced by LOLCODE?" Nonsense - they're > separate entities. KTHXBYE -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > .Net does run on Linux servers, through a project called Mono. I've yet > to see it offered by a hosting company yet though. im sure its come a long way since the beginning days, or w/e. but about 3 or 4 years back when i was teaching at rend lake college, i tried to run one of our simple programs from class under mono on linux. to my dismay i found only a small fraction of the libraries offered in the main ms implementation. i was able to get a trivial cli program running, but at the time, it appeared to be more of a toy than anything. however the thought of the premise is really funny. sun creates java, w/ the whole bytecode architecture.. time passes, popularity grows.. ms creates a goofy semi-java-clone w/ the same intermediate language concept, thereby enabling those driven to write interpreters for said byte code to get high level ms stuff running on their favorite os. in that light, it looks like the decision to go w/ the intermediate laguage architecture was a bit of a catch-22 for old ms. O - and on a totally OT side note, one of the funniest things i used to hear from the ms docs were 2 horribly conflicting statements: 1. once high level code, be it VB.net or C#.net is compiled to the intermidate language, said output from each is nearly identical 2. VB is for rapid prototyping while C# is used to achieve high performance wouldnt it stand to reason that if the intermediate code was practically the same, the performance should also be practically the same?? this year, i actually had a self-proclaimed .net guy essentially admit that it was just a bunch of propaganda, like everything else they push. -nathan
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 14:29 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: > Olexandr Heneralov wrote: > > Hi! > > Guys, you of course, know that ASP.NET becomes more and more popular in the > > world. > > I have a question for everyone: > > Can it happen so that PHP will be replaced with ASP.NET? > > Perhaps when it runs on Linux servers? > Personally I'm moving more stuff OFF Windows servers and onto Linux than > the other way. > > -- > Lester Caine - G8HFL > - > Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact > L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk > EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ > Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// > Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php > .Net does run on Linux servers, through a project called Mono. I've yet to see it offered by a hosting company yet though. Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
On 5/28/09 9:20 AM, "Olexandr Heneralov" wrote: > I have a question for everyone: > Can it happen so that PHP will be replaced with ASP.NET? why you pry it out of my cold dead hand ;-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:39, Robert Cummings wrote: > > It's not really a stupid question. Some people aren't sufficiently aware > of other technologies to know the answer. It may seem simplistic to many > of us, but not to those new to the culture. Well, even though I forgot to tack-on my smiley face, the more I read the original post, the more my point is validated. The question is posed in such a manner that it would suggest PHP is a legacy language being replaced by ASP. "Will Visual Basic be replaced by Visual Basic .NET?" That makes sense. "Will Assembly be replaced by LOLCODE?" Nonsense - they're separate entities. It's not a matter of not understanding open source technology, it's a matter of not understanding the basics of programming and development languages and semantics. And don't get me wrong --- I don't fault the original poster for this. It's an age-old question that pops up again and again (interesting side-note: when you query Google for 'php vs asp metrics' - without the quotes, of course - a quick article I wrote back in February is the top result). The problem is the lack of education and understanding that different languages have different strengths, weaknesses, features, and purposes, and comparing them - indeed, inquiring if one will "replace" another - is a dumb question. Which then raises the difference: a *dumb* question is often asked by a *smart* person. So it shouldn't be confused with an insult to the OP by any means. -- daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ 50% Off All Shared Hosting Plans at PilotPig: Use Coupon DOW1 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 09:29 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:20, Olexandr Heneralov > wrote: > > Hi! > > Guys, you of course, know that ASP.NET becomes more and more popular in the > > world. > > I have a question for everyone: > > Can it happen so that PHP will be replaced with ASP.NET? > > The myth-in-phrase "there is no such thing as a stupid question" > has just been officially debunked. It's not really a stupid question. Some people aren't sufficiently aware of other technologies to know the answer. It may seem simplistic to many of us, but not to those new to the culture. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:20, Olexandr Heneralov wrote: > Hi! > Guys, you of course, know that ASP.NET becomes more and more popular in the > world. > I have a question for everyone: > Can it happen so that PHP will be replaced with ASP.NET? The myth-in-phrase "there is no such thing as a stupid question" has just been officially debunked. -- daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ 50% Off All Shared Hosting Plans at PilotPig: Use Coupon DOW1 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
Olexandr Heneralov wrote: Hi! Guys, you of course, know that ASP.NET becomes more and more popular in the world. I have a question for everyone: Can it happen so that PHP will be replaced with ASP.NET? Perhaps when it runs on Linux servers? Personally I'm moving more stuff OFF Windows servers and onto Linux than the other way. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 16:20 +0300, Olexandr Heneralov wrote: > Hi! > Guys, you of course, know that ASP.NET becomes more and more popular in the > world. > I have a question for everyone: > Can it happen so that PHP will be replaced with ASP.NET? It is unlikely. Open source continues to grow, and as such free and unrestricted alternatives to the iron-fisted grip of closed source technologies will always be in demand. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET
No. Bob McConnell -Original Message- From: Olexandr Heneralov [mailto:ohenera...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:21 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET Hi! Guys, you of course, know that ASP.NET becomes more and more popular in the world. I have a question for everyone: Can it happen so that PHP will be replaced with ASP.NET? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
You could start by searching the list archives or google for something like "big sites PHP", since it's been discussed many many times. The one that instantly springs to mind for me is Yahoo. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-963937.html?tag=lh But maybe there's very little point evangelising PHP in such an environment... perhaps it's smarter to adapt to the climate? Justin French On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 12:45 PM, Douglas Douglas wrote: Hello everybody. I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my graduation work. In my University, people in charge of approving the graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. They don't believe in the free software movement or the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a system using PHP and those people made them change to ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According to them it's where the money is. Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very useful to me. I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to show them to the authorities, but they said that I needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals, etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED WEBSITES" opinions and articles. I pretend to use this comparison found in the Microsoft MSDN website: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ dnaspp/html/phpvsaspnet.asp Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc) where I could find this kind of "formal comparison" about both technologies? I've been looking for some book that covers this issue. I've also been looking for some magazine article that I could use. I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks. Regards, Douglas. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
I hate to be the one to break it to you but in the real world if a client or the boss says "program in ASP .NET" you program in ASP.NET because, well, that's where the money is. That doesn't mean there isn't room for using better products, but sometimes you don't get an option. -Dan On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 22:45, Douglas Douglas wrote: > Hello everybody. > > I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET > debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my > graduation work. > > In my University, people in charge of approving the > graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. > They don't believe in the free software movement or > the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a > system using PHP and those people made them change to > ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According > to them it's where the money is. > > Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to > fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very > useful to me. > > I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to > show them to the authorities, but they said that I > needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals, > etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd > only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED > WEBSITES" opinions and articles. > > I pretend to use this comparison found in the > Microsoft MSDN website: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/phpvsaspnet.asp > > Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc) > where I could find this kind of "formal comparison" > about both technologies? > > I've been looking for some book that covers this > issue. I've also been looking for some magazine > article that I could use. > > I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks. > > Regards, Douglas. > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
Dunno if it will help, but here's a link to a thread I started a while back: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&w=2&r=1&s=convince+teh+boss&q=t Make sure you read the whole thread- a lot of people emailed more info than was originally posted. Also, check everything first- it's been a while, things may have changed. On Sunday 10 August 2003 07:45 pm, Douglas Douglas wrote: > Hello everybody. > > I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET > debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my > graduation work. > > In my University, people in charge of approving the > graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. > They don't believe in the free software movement or > the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a > system using PHP and those people made them change to > ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According > to them it's where the money is. > > Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to > fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very > useful to me. > > I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to > show them to the authorities, but they said that I > needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals, > etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd > only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED > WEBSITES" opinions and articles. > > I pretend to use this comparison found in the > Microsoft MSDN website: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/htm >l/phpvsaspnet.asp > > Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc) > where I could find this kind of "formal comparison" > about both technologies? > > I've been looking for some book that covers this > issue. I've also been looking for some magazine > article that I could use. > > I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks. > > Regards, Douglas. > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
Thank you for the links Mr. Rees. I specially liked the one about MS giving $500K to the Peruvian President. Thanks to everybody's help I have some "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED WEBSITES" articles like IBM, Yahoo and Google. I'm very thankful to all of you. Regards, Douglas. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
I'm not so sure it's an entirely horrible idea for a university to focus on one area over another. I went to art school - so I'm sure I'll be burned at the stake for having comments :P But a great deal of my friends who took comp sci or comp eng in uni are greatly unemployed - why you ask? Their school taught them how to use, program in, administer, and setup Linux Red Hat 7.3, then 8.0, and they just got a glimpse of 9.0 before graduation ... cool right? Funny thing is that a surprising number of businesses and corporations would much rather you be proficient in some manner of Microsoft product - the reason? If it breaks there's someone you can call for help. If your Windows Server blows up - you dial a very expensive Microsoft number to get help. If your Linux server running some manner of PHP script blows up, you send out countless emails to mailing lists hoping someone out there in the open source community has had to deal with something similar to what you're doing now. By no means am I saying that MS is a good thing, but from a corporate atmosphere - it's very difficult to get the upper management types to see why anything other than Windows 98 should be on a computer. Although, I say go for making Linux a good thing ... goto netcraft.com - there you can type in the names of any of your favorite websites, commercial or corporate, or anything really and it'll tell you what web server their running and wether or not PHP is installed (well, in most cases anyways). The best would be to find out what the favorite sites of the boss-types are and just hope they're all run by PHP :P At 08:39 PM 8/10/2003 -0700, you wrote: --- Douglas Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my University, people in charge of approving the > graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. > They don't believe in the free software movement or > the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a > system using PHP and those people made them change to > ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According > to them it's where the money is. It is disappointing to me that a university exists that focuses on where the money is rather than educating students. While I disagree with their prediction of the future, I think it is irrelevant anyway. If they were to choose PHP based on its promising future, it would be a better choice but for the wrong reason (the "right" choice is to let the students choose their platform, since it should be irrelevant to the lessons being taught). Of course, my argument is moot if you are speaking of a vocational school or something that is intended to teach applied skills, but I wouldn't call such a school a university. These types of educational institutions are great, but they have a much different purpose. I would rather a university let the students choose their own platform, since people are going to be most passionate about learning in an environment that they choose. Besides, as I mentioned above, the platform should be irrelevant. If you want to teach students to learn to program for the Web, you have failed if they cannot apply what they have learned to any language - PHP, mod_perl, ColdFusion, Java, etc. To answer your original question, I suppose you can search zend.com for some sort of comparison, but I am afraid you may be wasting your effort. It sounds like your university has some fundamental misnuderstandings about education, and that is going to be difficult to resolve. Good luck. Chris = Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
Many people over look this, but maybe you should contact publishers who have PHP based books. Would such books be needed if there wasn't a php market? Cantact them regarding sales. Perhaps they will provide some numbers regarding literature for PHP and all open source publications. Not to mention the number of web hosting firms that support PHP as a client development platform. Also, IBM : http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-phprock3/ http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/9445fa5b416f6e32852569ae006bb65f/7dc5a839a1caf7b585256cad006fce0a?OpenDocument Douglas Douglas wrote: Hello everybody. I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my graduation work. In my University, people in charge of approving the graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. They don't believe in the free software movement or the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a system using PHP and those people made them change to ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According to them it's where the money is. Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very useful to me. I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to show them to the authorities, but they said that I needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals, etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED WEBSITES" opinions and articles. I pretend to use this comparison found in the Microsoft MSDN website: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/phpvsaspnet.asp Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc) where I could find this kind of "formal comparison" about both technologies? I've been looking for some book that covers this issue. I've also been looking for some magazine article that I could use. I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks. Regards, Douglas. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
John Manko wrote: I hate to be the one to break it to you but this isn't the real world. It's a senior project, and he has a chance to justify the reason to do a project in the language he see's fit, not what the political machine wants. I just don't buy the "don't go against the tide" mentality, and obviously you don't either cause you are on a php mailing list. I've got to agree. There's a difference between your boss telling you what to program in vs. a university dictating what technology can be used for graduation work. I can't help out with the original question, though. What university do you go to? I thought graduate work was supposed to be on the cutting edge, making the new technologies?? How are you going to do that if they make you use MS? -- ---John Holmes... Amazon Wishlist: www.amazon.com/o/registry/3BEXC84AB3A5E/ PHP|Architect: A magazine for PHP Professionals – www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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PLEASE REMOVE THIS ADDR FROM THE LIST! IT'S NOT LIKE HE/SHE IS GOING TO BE MISSING ANY MESSAGES! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Transmit Report: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 402 Local User Inbox Full ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request From: John Manko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:12:43 -0400 To: Dan Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I hate to be the one to break it to you but this isn't the real world. It's a senior project, and he has a chance to justify the reason to do a project in the language he see's fit, not what the political machine wants. I just don't buy the "don't go against the tide" mentality, and obviously you don't either cause you are on a php mailing list. -john Dan Anderson wrote: I hate to be the one to break it to you but in the real world if a client or the boss says "program in ASP .NET" you program in ASP.NET because, well, that's where the money is. That doesn't mean there isn't room for using better products, but sometimes you don't get an option. -Dan On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 22:45, Douglas Douglas wrote: Hello everybody. I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my graduation work. In my University, people in charge of approving the graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. They don't believe in the free software movement or the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a system using PHP and those people made them change to ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According to them it's where the money is. Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very useful to me. I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to show them to the authorities, but they said that I needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals, etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED WEBSITES" opinions and articles. I pretend to use this comparison found in the Microsoft MSDN website: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/phpvsaspnet.asp Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc) where I could find this kind of "formal comparison" about both technologies? I've been looking for some book that covers this issue. I've also been looking for some magazine article that I could use. I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks. Regards, Douglas. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
Thanks to everybody for your kind responses. By the way, I go to the Universidad de El Salvador (Central America). In a such poor country like this, Free Software and Open Source could be the answer to the government's software needs. Unfortunately, MS has the monopoly in the government's software, and our leaders see GNU like "We don't have any support for that. Nobody guarantees us the GNU software's good performance. With MS we can demand answers to SOMEBODY." They say that they prefer to pay to get that "warranty". I know that it's going to be hard, but I'm willing to fight for what I believe in. Wish me luck :D Thanks again. Regards, Douglas. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
--- Douglas Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my University, people in charge of approving the > graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. > They don't believe in the free software movement or > the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a > system using PHP and those people made them change to > ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According > to them it's where the money is. It is disappointing to me that a university exists that focuses on where the money is rather than educating students. While I disagree with their prediction of the future, I think it is irrelevant anyway. If they were to choose PHP based on its promising future, it would be a better choice but for the wrong reason (the "right" choice is to let the students choose their platform, since it should be irrelevant to the lessons being taught). Of course, my argument is moot if you are speaking of a vocational school or something that is intended to teach applied skills, but I wouldn't call such a school a university. These types of educational institutions are great, but they have a much different purpose. I would rather a university let the students choose their own platform, since people are going to be most passionate about learning in an environment that they choose. Besides, as I mentioned above, the platform should be irrelevant. If you want to teach students to learn to program for the Web, you have failed if they cannot apply what they have learned to any language - PHP, mod_perl, ColdFusion, Java, etc. To answer your original question, I suppose you can search zend.com for some sort of comparison, but I am afraid you may be wasting your effort. It sounds like your university has some fundamental misnuderstandings about education, and that is going to be difficult to resolve. Good luck. Chris = Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
http://www.wowwebdesigns.com/wowbb/forum12/149.html you might also want to take a look at mono project. An open source implementation of .net http://www.go-mono.com/ -Original Message- From: Douglas Douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request Hello everybody. I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my graduation work. In my University, people in charge of approving the graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. They don't believe in the free software movement or the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a system using PHP and those people made them change to ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According to them it's where the money is. Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very useful to me. I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to show them to the authorities, but they said that I needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals, etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED WEBSITES" opinions and articles. I pretend to use this comparison found in the Microsoft MSDN website: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/ html/phpvsaspnet.asp Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc) where I could find this kind of "formal comparison" about both technologies? I've been looking for some book that covers this issue. I've also been looking for some magazine article that I could use. I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks. Regards, Douglas. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
[snip] I'm not so sure it's an entirely horrible idea for a university to focus on one area over another. I went to art school - so I'm sure I'll be burned at the stake for having comments :P But a great deal of my friends who took comp sci or comp eng in uni are greatly unemployed - why you ask? Their school taught them how to use, program in, administer, and setup Linux Red Hat 7.3, then 8.0, and they just got a glimpse of 9.0 before graduation ... cool right? Funny thing is that a surprising number of businesses and corporations would much rather you be proficient in some manner of Microsoft product - the reason? If it breaks there's someone you can call for help. [/snip] I am thankful that I work in an "open-source" shop! Having said that I think that there are more (based on my experience) "mixed" environments...and even if we are an open-source environment M$ runs on the desktops because corporate is comfortable with that. Those of us in technical operations are expected to have a certain level of proficiency in both environments. It would be my guess that there are lots of organizations similarly configured*nix based servers, open-source DBs, etc connected to desktops running all varieties of M$ products. Now, running these things side-by-side gives us a tremendous amount of perspective, the strengths and weaknesses readily discernable for each of the environments involved. The key is to learn how to flex the muscle of each so that the collaborative environment is as strong and efficient as possible. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
> In a such poor country like this, Free Software and > Open Source could be the answer to the government's > software needs. Well, open source and free software are not God. Netcraft surveys the internet and reports on actual server usage. It's always good for a little dose of reality: http://news.netcraft.com/ Hmm. I remember some news about Peru. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=peru+free+software Gives this http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html and, well, this http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26207.html > Unfortunately, MS has the monopoly in the government's > software, and our leaders see GNU like "We don't have > any support for that. Nobody guarantees us the GNU > software's good performance. With MS we can demand > answers to SOMEBODY." They say that they prefer to pay > to get that "warranty". I guess you could always make the argument that, to get Microsoft's attention and get bribes^H^H^H^H^H^Hhelp from the monopoly, you have to threaten to break out of it. :-( You might also mention that, if they want to buy support, RedHat and other Linux companies are now selling support. http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/ Shoot, Mac OS X is a pretty decent buy, too, and ASP does not run native on Apple's systems. > I know that it's going to be hard, but I'm willing to > fight for what I believe in. Wish me luck :D Good luck, but don't be surprised if the road is longer and harder than it ought to be. Make sure you can make a living while you're fighting. -- Joel Rees, programmer, Systems Group Altech Corporation (Alpsgiken), Osaka, Japan http://www.alpsgiken.co.jp -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
I hate to be the one to break it to you but this isn't the real world. It's a senior project, and he has a chance to justify the reason to do a project in the language he see's fit, not what the political machine wants. I just don't buy the "don't go against the tide" mentality, and obviously you don't either cause you are on a php mailing list. -john Dan Anderson wrote: I hate to be the one to break it to you but in the real world if a client or the boss says "program in ASP .NET" you program in ASP.NET because, well, that's where the money is. That doesn't mean there isn't room for using better products, but sometimes you don't get an option. -Dan On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 22:45, Douglas Douglas wrote: Hello everybody. I've been doing some research about the PHP vs ASP.NET debate, because I need to justify the use of PHP in my graduation work. In my University, people in charge of approving the graduation works advocate Microsoft's technologies. They don't believe in the free software movement or the open source movement. Some guys tried to develop a system using PHP and those people made them change to ASP.NET. They say because "It's the future". According to them it's where the money is. Well, I only have one year using PHP, but I'll try to fight. I've read a lot of opinions that have been very useful to me. I collected a lot of those opinions and printed to show them to the authorities, but they said that I needed "formal" basis (books, scientific journals, etc.) to justify the use of PHP. They said that they'd only allow "BIG COMMERCIAL, IMPARTIAL, RECOGNIZED WEBSITES" opinions and articles. I pretend to use this comparison found in the Microsoft MSDN website: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/phpvsaspnet.asp Can you give me some pointers (websites, names, etc) where I could find this kind of "formal comparison" about both technologies? I've been looking for some book that covers this issue. I've also been looking for some magazine article that I could use. I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks. Regards, Douglas. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP vs ASP.NET "formal opinions" request
--- Tim Thorburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If your Windows Server blows up - you dial a very expensive > Microsoft number to get help. If your Linux server running > some manner of PHP script blows up, you send out countless > emails to mailing lists hoping someone out there in the open > source community has had to deal with something similar to > what you're doing now. That's a fair comparison, I suppose, and it's probably why I prefer open source in general. I prefer shops where people take responsibility for their own work; they're less likely to have the political culture that is counterproductive to the creative thinkers and developers who like to get things accomplished rather than worry about who to blame (if you plan to fail, you will). Of course, there are exceptions both ways, but I'll go with the odds. However, my point was that the original poster was speaking about an educational institute, so they should be teaching the students to be the expert who answers the Microsoft phone number or the Unix developer who never has to call. Chris = Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
