RE: [PHP] phpLISTMAN
The problem with PHP is that it would be a limited Mailing List. Imagine having a database of 100.000 subscribers (as my previous company had 600.000). Can you handle it with PHP? We used Ezmlm. Over night, on different server that seats away from our main bandwidth hub, with limited bandwidth usage and it was doing it's work every Sunday Night. PHP won't work easily because it is generally activated via browser. So, the maximum amount of subscribers you can handle with the list written entirely in PHP would be something like 1-4.000 or so still waiting for a while to finish sending. It could be useful still, but I think it is rather more painful than useful to you and your user. I have once started such project followed by your very ideas: "no such software in PHP - Let's write one!!!" But then, I got discouraged just as I thought about it deeper. Look at Source-Forge for RealList - that is my tentative (if you'll find it though). A good extended interface to ezmlm could be a good idea though. I don't like the one they have now. Summary: Whatever you write in PHP regarding emails, unless you connect it to other languages like Ruby, Perl or Python that can run it in background (consider PHP-GTK as well, still more than just PHP) your list will only handle a small amount of subscribers and, not automatically (unless user has the access to server what would also mean he can install something other than your ML). My 0.02 EuroCents. Disclaimer: Please note that I wasn't trying to be extra-precise here, so don't pick on the words. The idea of this was rather important to explain. Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky Founder, Chief Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHPBeginner.com (Where PHP Begins) www.phpbeginner.com > -Original Message- > From: Randum Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:38 PM > To: PHP > Subject: [PHP] phpLISTMAN > > Hi there, > > I am trying to find a Mailing List Manager on the net that is written in PHP > that access a database of emails, and other information, in order to manage > and maintain a list of subscribers. > > I have now decided to write my own, both to fill a possible niche in the PHP > code world, and also to further my understanding of PHP. I am asking your > help in providing me with a list of things that need to implemented into > this code in order to provide something that people want to use. I am > willing to make this code widely available to who ever wants it, and > eventually code something that will be useable by other people in the PHP > world. > > I have thought of the following, and if people could suggest/add to this > list I would greatly appreciate it! > > Control Panel > -Add User > -Delete User > -Validate Email > -Send Mail (HTML/Text) > -Archive Mail > > HTML Generator > -Subscription Box > -Unsubscribe Box > -Statistics > > Can anybody help me with this project codenamed "phpLISTMAN"??? > > Kind Regards, Ian. > --- > Randum Ian > DJ / Reviewer / Webmaster, DancePortal (UK) Limited > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.danceportal.co.uk > DancePortal.co.uk - Global dance music media > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] phpLISTMAN
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Randum Ian wrote: > I am trying to find a Mailing List Manager on the net that is written in > PHP that access a database of emails, and other information, in order to > manage and maintain a list of subscribers. I might instead suggest focusing your efforts on making a really nice PHP front end for ezmlm. There are things it does that you'll never really be able to pull off in PHP, yet it's extremely ugly to configure, and therefore could use a hand. I've seen a few front ends for it but none of them impressed me all that much. Creating a robust mailing list manager from scratch is not a trivial exercise. Doing it in PHP - with one process, hamstrung by environment-imposed execution time limits, etc., sounds like madness unless you're making something very lightweight. miguel -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] phpLISTMAN
At 8:38 PM +0100 4/21/02, Randum Ian wrote: >Hi there, > >I am trying to find a Mailing List Manager on the net that is written in PHP >that access a database of emails, and other information, in order to manage >and maintain a list of subscribers. > Not to discourage your efforts, but there are an array of free and fee-based products written in PHP that handle mailing list. The bigger issue seems to be bi-directional distribution list (aka listservs), where both the owner and recipients can send mail. But for pure mailing list management, you could look at the people at Octeth http://www.octeth.com, their email manager pro gets high ratings. You could also test, try, and or modify one of the over 50 mailing list scripts coded in PHP at HotScripts.com. http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Mailing_List_Managers/ Alnisa -- . Alnisa Allgood Executive Director Nonprofit Tech (ph) 415.337.7412 (fx) 415.337.7927 (url) http://www.nonprofit-techworld.org (url) http://www.nonprofit-tech.org (url) http://www.tech-library.org . Nonprofit Tech E-Update mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . transforming nonprofits through technology . -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] phpLISTMAN
Just about all of them can have/do have simple HTML interfaces that can send data to them. I built one for ezmlm in about 20 minutes ... and then found a number of them already available. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:52:17 +0100, you wrote: > > >Is that a nice way of saying that I am wasting my time in doing such a > >project? I just get frustrated at not having a Mailing List > Manager that I > >can use to manage large lists of users. > > > >Is it more bother than it is worth? > > Probably is. > > What would be useful is a set of PHP programmatical interfaces to > other list managers (eg, Mailman), let them do what they do well, and > have PHP talk to them to add/subscribe/etc. It's a real pity that > they don't have XML-RPC interface (that I know of). > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] phpLISTMAN
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:52:17 +0100, you wrote: >Is that a nice way of saying that I am wasting my time in doing such a >project? I just get frustrated at not having a Mailing List Manager that I >can use to manage large lists of users. > >Is it more bother than it is worth? Probably is. What would be useful is a set of PHP programmatical interfaces to other list managers (eg, Mailman), let them do what they do well, and have PHP talk to them to add/subscribe/etc. It's a real pity that they don't have XML-RPC interface (that I know of). Alister -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] phpLISTMAN
Is that a nice way of saying that I am wasting my time in doing such a project? I just get frustrated at not having a Mailing List Manager that I can use to manage large lists of users. Is it more bother than it is worth? - Original Message - From: "Mark Charette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Randum Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PHP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] phpLISTMAN > > > From: Randum Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Control Panel > > -Add User > > -Delete User > > -Validate Email > > -Send Mail (HTML/Text) > > -Archive Mail > > > > HTML Generator > > -Subscription Box > > -Unsubscribe Box > > -Statistics > > Let's see. Double opt-in with cryptographic/time security, automatic bounce > message processing, programmable and scalable message handling, automated > relay centers for very large lists, both digest & regular versions, deny > processing, multiple posting addresses, management functions available via > email processining, moderation, etc. ... > > In other words, you might want to look through all the man pages and code > for something like ezmlm and figure out if you want to duplicate all that > work. Mailing lists are non-trivial pieces of code, and one little mistake > can affect thousands of people (and your bandwidth). > > Mark C. > > > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] phpLISTMAN
> From: Randum Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Control Panel > -Add User > -Delete User > -Validate Email > -Send Mail (HTML/Text) > -Archive Mail > > HTML Generator > -Subscription Box > -Unsubscribe Box > -Statistics Let's see. Double opt-in with cryptographic/time security, automatic bounce message processing, programmable and scalable message handling, automated relay centers for very large lists, both digest & regular versions, deny processing, multiple posting addresses, management functions available via email processining, moderation, etc. ... In other words, you might want to look through all the man pages and code for something like ezmlm and figure out if you want to duplicate all that work. Mailing lists are non-trivial pieces of code, and one little mistake can affect thousands of people (and your bandwidth). Mark C. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
