Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-07 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 18:09 -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote: Mari Masuda wrote: [snip] For a concrete example of responsive design in action, point your browser to http://www.sasquatchfestival.com/ and then slowly make the window wider/skinnier to see how the design adapts to different

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-07 Thread Marc Guay
There is only one drawback to using CSS media queries to alter the way a page is displayed on different resolutions, and that is that any media (i.e. background images, etc) referenced in a stylesheet is downloaded, regardless of if it is ever used. Another one worth mentionning is that a lot

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-07 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Feb 6, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: Generally speaking you're better off with a design that automatically adapts to the viewport on which it's being displayed. While there's more than one reason for this, the overriding reason is that the same software (i.e. the same user

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Jim Giner
Nice article!! You should read up on responsive web design. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/responsive-web-design/ should get you started. HTH!= -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Marc Guay
1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have their own stripped down versions of browsers? Different browsers, some of which are worse than IE (see Blackberry). 2) When a browser broadcasts its header telling the server what kind of browser is involved, do they

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Paul M Foster wrote: This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have their own stripped down versions of browsers? 2) When a browser broadcasts its header

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Adam Richardson
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.comwrote: This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have their own stripped down versions

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 14:28 -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have their own stripped down

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 6 Feb 2012, at 05:58, Paul M Foster wrote: This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: There are simulators available for most smartphones. 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have their

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Adam Richardson
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Adam Richardson simples...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.comwrote: This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: 1) Do smart phones use the

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Marc Guay
the way your site renders should be purely based upon the size of the display. Although I mostly agree with this statement, it ignores the most interesting aspects of mobile technology, such as being able to ask the user for their GPS location and deliver content accordingly. I worked on some

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Mari Masuda
On Feb 6, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: [snip] Generally speaking you're better off with a design that automatically adapts to the viewport on which it's being displayed. [snip] For a concrete example of responsive design in action, point your browser to

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 6 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Marc Guay wrote: the way your site renders should be purely based upon the size of the display. Although I mostly agree with this statement, it ignores the most interesting aspects of mobile technology, such as being able to ask the user for their GPS location and

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:28:42PM -0600, Donovan Brooke wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: 1) Do smart phones use the same browsers as the desktop, or do they have their own stripped

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:02:34PM +, Ashley Sheridan wrote: [snip] Keeping a PHP angle to this, have you looked at using an up-to-date browscap.ini file with PHP? Basically, you can use that to read in the raw user agent string from the browser, and it then finds a matching entry in

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Ashley Sheridan wrote: [snip] Keeping a PHP angle to this, have you looked at using an up-to-date browscap.ini file with PHP? Basically, you can use that to read in the raw user agent string from the browser, and it then finds a matching entry in the ini file and gives you back some values about

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Stuart Dallas wrote: On 6 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Marc Guay wrote: the way your site renders should be purely based upon the size of the display. Although I mostly agree with this statement, it ignores the most interesting aspects of mobile technology, such as being able to ask the user for

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 04:04:28PM -0500, Adam Richardson wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Adam Richardson [1]simples...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Paul M Foster [2]pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: This is sort of obliquely related to

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:01:45PM +, Stuart Dallas wrote: On 6 Feb 2012, at 05:58, Paul M Foster wrote: This is sort of obliquely related to PHP. I don't have a smart phone, but I need to know a couple of things: There are simulators available for most smartphones. 1) Do

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Paul M Foster wrote: [snip] How about this: those of you with iPhones, Androids and the like, point your phones at a page which reports $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] (like a page which runs the phpinfo() function), and post what you get back from that exercise and what device made the query. I'd

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-06 Thread Donovan Brooke
Mari Masuda wrote: [snip] For a concrete example of responsive design in action, point your browser to http://www.sasquatchfestival.com/ and then slowly make the window wider/skinnier to see how the design adapts to different viewport sizes. Very nice... makes for an easy display to a wide

Re: [PHP] Headers on smart phone browsers

2012-02-05 Thread Mari Masuda
On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: [snip] 3) Bonus question: Is there a preferred method amongst coders to determine what type of environment is being browsed from, so as to serve up the proper type of page (desktop or smart phone version of a webpage)? [snip] You should