RE: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
-Original Message- From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:23 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable ---8--- There's no flame-war brewing here at all, but whether or not you've served in any countrys armed forces, what you think of them and how they do their recruiting, is just way more OT than any javascript-only question. In fact, given the worlds divided view on the current use of e.g. the US armed forces, this OT subject itself is pretty inflammable. THANK YOU. (Re: mixed opinions on the armed forces.) All we need now is for people to start debating religion. Todd Boyd Web Programmer
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
2008/6/23 Boyd, Todd M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: THANK YOU. (Re: mixed opinions on the armed forces.) All we need now is for people to start debating religion. Actually, I thought that the list has been, up until now, very responsible and have kept politics out of it. People have mentioned which armies we have served, with nobody accusing one another of doing, well, what armies do. Which is typical as I have found that soldiers very much respect one another's profession, regardless of our feelings about the particular nation in question. It is usually the civilians who resort to accusations. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
RE: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
-Original Message- From: Dotan Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:59 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable 2008/6/23 Boyd, Todd M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: THANK YOU. (Re: mixed opinions on the armed forces.) All we need now is for people to start debating religion. Actually, I thought that the list has been, up until now, very responsible and have kept politics out of it. People have mentioned which armies we have served, with nobody accusing one another of doing, well, what armies do. Which is typical as I have found that soldiers very much respect one another's profession, regardless of our feelings about the particular nation in question. It is usually the civilians who resort to accusations. Dotan, You are right. This list, above many others I have subscribed to in the past, has done a very good job about keeping it PHP-related and not branching off into a political flame war (or even a polite political discussion--if those truly exist). I hold no ill-will towards any of you in any branch of any country's armed forces... but I have vehement opinions that I'm holding back for both of our sakes. Regardless, let's turn this back around: ?php echo Hello, politically-heterogenous world!; ? Todd Boyd Web Programmer
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
2008/6/23 Boyd, Todd M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Regardless, let's turn this back around: ?php echo Hello, politically-heterogenous world!; ? To all those who insist that _all_ programs have bugs, behold this wonder and repent! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Boyd, Todd M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THANK YOU. (Re: mixed opinions on the armed forces.) All we need now is for people to start debating religion. You missed this about a year or two ago. Check the archives. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
-Original Message- From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:23 AM To: Boyd, Todd M. Cc: Per Jessen; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Boyd, Todd M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THANK YOU. (Re: mixed opinions on the armed forces.) All we need now is for people to start debating religion. You missed this about a year or two ago. Check the archives. Pass. :D Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Boyd, Todd M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right. This list, above many others I have subscribed to in the past, has done a very good job about keeping it PHP-related and not branching off into a political flame war (or even a polite political discussion--if those truly exist). Heh. You obviously haven't been here very long (since May I checked). ;-P We get into all kinds of discussions that aren't PHP-related. Check the archives for the chicken vs. egg thread in Spring, 2007 which, if memory serves, continued in at least some form well into Summer, 2007. I hold no ill-will towards any of you in any branch of any country's armed forces... but I have vehement opinions that I'm holding back for both of our sakes. I think we all do. There's no way around that. However, regardless of how a thread may go off-topic, the fact is that the spirit of the community is without borders, without prejudice, and without discrimination. When we communicate (via this list or whatever), we all exist only in bits and bytes, as black and white, and we're all the same. We're computer geeks. The fact is, if you stick around long enough, you'll assimilate with the group and find yourself more off-topic sometimes than a toddler with ADHD amped up on caffeine. We're a community --- some of us friends. Not a tech support firm. Thank [insert deity here]. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
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From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:42 AM
To: Boyd, Todd M.
Cc: Dotan Cohen; php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization
of
variable
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Boyd, Todd M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You are right. This list, above many others I have subscribed to in
the past, has done a very good job about keeping it PHP-related and
not
branching off into a political flame war (or even a polite political
discussion--if those truly exist).
Heh. You obviously haven't been here very long (since May I
checked). ;-P
Indeed, I am an infant in the ways of php-general. :)
We get into all kinds of discussions that aren't PHP-related.
Check the archives for the chicken vs. egg thread in Spring,
2007 which, if memory serves, continued in at least some form well
into Summer, 2007.
Again, pass. Heh...
I hold no ill-will towards any of you in any branch of any country's
armed forces... but I have vehement opinions that I'm holding back for
both of our sakes.
I think we all do. There's no way around that. However,
regardless of how a thread may go off-topic, the fact is that the
spirit of the community is without borders, without prejudice, and
without discrimination. When we communicate (via this list or
whatever), we all exist only in bits and bytes, as black and white,
and we're all the same. We're computer geeks.
While this is true, my mom told me I was cool. Just thought I'd throw
that out there.
The fact is, if you stick around long enough, you'll assimilate
with the group and find yourself more off-topic sometimes than a
toddler with ADHD amped up on caffeine.
We're a community --- some of us friends. Not a tech support
firm.
Thank [insert deity here]. ;-P
Absolutely. In fact, I think I'm fairly far-off right now. :) Either
way, I was just trying to shy away from
politically-and-theologically-charged conversations, I suppose. Nothing
wrong with a little banter to lighten the mood. As you said, this is not
a firm. It's a collection of people with their own individual ideas,
senses of humor, etc... and I celebrate that. I just hate seeing people
argue over stuff that, realistically, is nearly possible to sway one way
or another given someone's pre-conceived ideas.
I digress.
?php
foreach($php-general-subscriber as $subscriber)
{
$subscriber-spread_the_love();
}
?
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Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Boyd, Todd M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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(In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may
have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].)
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Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
2008/6/23 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].) IHateUnderscoresInVariableNames! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 20:19 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/23 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].) IHateUnderscoresInVariableNames! iHateCapitalizedFirstLetterInVariableNames! ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 20:19 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/23 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].) IHateUnderscoresInVariableNames! iHateCapitalizedFirstLetterInVariableNames! iHaTeEvErYtHiNgIdOnTwRiTe! :P -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 13:28 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 20:19 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/23 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].) IHateUnderscoresInVariableNames! iHateCapitalizedFirstLetterInVariableNames! iHaTeEvErYtHiNgIdOnTwRiTe! :P Meye i's, meye i's!!! -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 13:28 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 20:19 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/23 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].) IHateUnderscoresInVariableNames! iHateCapitalizedFirstLetterInVariableNames! iHaTeEvErYtHiNgIdOnTwRiTe! :P Meye i's, meye i's!!! That would be if I typed it like this iHaTeEvErYtHiNgIdOnTwRiTe! :P Turn on HTML and wait for your eyes to burn! :P -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 13:37 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 13:28 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 20:19 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/23 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].) IHateUnderscoresInVariableNames! iHateCapitalizedFirstLetterInVariableNames! iHaTeEvErYtHiNgIdOnTwRiTe! :P Meye i's, meye i's!!! That would be if I typed it like this iHaTeEvErYtHiNgIdOnTwRiTe! :P Turn on HTML and wait for your eyes to burn! :P I have HTML turned off for a reason :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
At 8:19 PM +0300 6/23/08, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/23 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].) IHateUnderscoresInVariableNames! Dotan Cohen When I can't describe the variable better, I use underscores. I only use camel case for functions. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 20:19 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/23 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (In actuality, you can't use dashes in a variable name. You may have meant to use an underscore [ _ ].) IHateUnderscoresInVariableNames! iHateCapitalizedFirstLetterInVariableNames! +1 I prefer camelCase over PascalCamelCase any day of the week. Though I do not know why -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] www.goarmy.com http://www.gocoastguard.com/ [/snip] http://www.airforce.com/ Army, 1990-1995, crypto-ranger! -shawn (formerly Shawn) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Army, 1990-1995, crypto-ranger! 96 Bravo? That was the alternative MOS I was considering upon enlisting in the Army a few years after the Coast Guard. It was between that and 68W (combat medic), and the latter prevailed. I had hoped to work in to a reclass of 18D (SpecOps Med Sergeant), but before I even got through the DTP period pre-Basic, I had some family things come up that needed to take precedence. Still today, I don't feel as though I'm yet done with the service. So hopefully after Saturday, when the pre-wife becomes my first wife, we can discuss the possibility of me joining the Guard or a Reserve branch. I just want to try to do it before I hit the age limit for active --- which is coming up quicker and quicker. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
When I joined it was 29S, Field COMSEC Equipment Repairer, but in 95 just before I got out they moved it out of signal into ordnance and I think it was 35E. What is the age limit now? It doesn't matter much, I don't think I could run 2 miles in less than 8 hours now anyway. ;-) -Shawn Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Army, 1990-1995, crypto-ranger! 96 Bravo? That was the alternative MOS I was considering upon enlisting in the Army a few years after the Coast Guard. It was between that and 68W (combat medic), and the latter prevailed. I had hoped to work in to a reclass of 18D (SpecOps Med Sergeant), but before I even got through the DTP period pre-Basic, I had some family things come up that needed to take precedence. Still today, I don't feel as though I'm yet done with the service. So hopefully after Saturday, when the pre-wife becomes my first wife, we can discuss the possibility of me joining the Guard or a Reserve branch. I just want to try to do it before I hit the age limit for active --- which is coming up quicker and quicker. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Thursday 19 June 2008 18:25:10 Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I wonder how many of us on the list served. It's got to be more than just you and I, Tedd, wouldn't you think? [/snip] U.S. Air Force The Turkish Gendarmerie (Jandarma Genel Komutanligi) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Daniel Brown wrote: I do agree, and I think it's worth another mention to the Website Team to discuss a specific OT list for those of us who would like to stray once in a while. After all, you can't spend every day speaking with the same people on here without developing some common interests and bonds. Very true - you'll also find me on one or two OT lists :-) I don't know the story with the PHP lists, but if it's of any use, I'd be happy to host a PHP-OT mailing list. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Per Jessen wrote: Call me .. uh no, I'm getting sick ... you guys are so completely and utterly off-topic - please take it off-line. It was obviously off-topic from the beginning,... however it felt somehow OK... - I mean, it gave the list a personal touch and every successful organization dreams of its people having a more personal touch. I'd also hate it if the list goes greatly off-topic inflated, but, I think, I'd hate it exactly as much if it was a dry on-topic thing where nobody says anything personal. If we were not so divided in time and space, we would occasionally meet for a beer - for me the off-topic explosions are the digital equivalent of this. Iv -- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
2008/6/19 Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] I wonder how many of us on the list served. It's got to be more than just you and I, Tedd, wouldn't you think? [/snip] U.S. Air Force Golani, IDF Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
2008/6/19 Nitsan Bin-Nun [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dan i'm 16 years old, currently my monthly salary (working as php freelancer) almost catching my dad's and he is living good. In 2 years from now I have to serv, probably at the battle field (I'm healthy qualified) and usualy the place where guys like me being send to includes additional 2 years - at the bottom line I'm getting in at age of 18 and becoming a citizen when i'm 23-24, I believe that if I won't take this service (there are zillions of oppertunities to step back from the service) I can start work at some web developing company (not freelancing) and start learn at university or something, but in Israel the feelings of apperciation to the motherland is higher than anywhere else in the world, since you are young the people around you (the nuclear family and everyone you know) injecting you the poison of this apperciation, so when you are 18 years-old you know what is the meaning of service and you are aspiring to serv as much as good as you can. Regards, Nitsan Good for you, Nitsan. If you find yourself in Gdud 51 let me know. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
2008/6/19 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't want to start any arguments or flame wars, but it's been my opinion for years that the US should require at least one year in the armed services as well. If you want freedom and privileges, you should earn them, not feel automatically entitled to them by birth. Have you read Starship Troopers? Their civilization is based upon this. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:59 AM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know the story with the PHP lists, but if it's of any use, I'd be happy to host a PHP-OT mailing list. I had been considering the same more and more. I had a brief conversation yesterday with Philip (Olsen, from the Documentation and Website Teams) about the same. My only real concern is in difference of policies and the advertising of an unofficial mailing list on one of the official lists. However, while typing this, I think I've convinced myself that they aren't really big issues. We continually refer to places such as phpbuilder.com and other sites, and they are unofficial and unrelated to the general project. It sounds like it might be time to start an official thread to see if there would be interest by others here on the list, and if so, either you or I could host it. I envision the OT list running parallel with the official lists, so if something were to begin to stray off-topic, a poster would hit Reply-All and replace [EMAIL PROTECTED] with [EMAIL PROTECTED] or wherever we decide to host it. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Daniel Brown wrote: Now consider the description of the list itself: This is a really high volume general list for PHP users. A general list for PHP users. I know damn well what the spirit of it means, but by definition, it means a 'general forum for discussion offered to members of the PHP community.' Nothing explicitly states that it must be PHP-related. So before anyone decides they'd like to jump the bandwagon and start a flame war over something that could easily be avoided by not reading the thread (again, as I'm sure a majority of threads are skipped by most of us on a daily basis), I'd recommend taking that into consideration. Dan, you're grasping at straws here. People have in the past called OT when posters have asked HTML- or javascript-only questions. There's no flame-war brewing here at all, but whether or not you've served in any countrys armed forces, what you think of them and how they do their recruiting, is just way more OT than any javascript-only question. In fact, given the worlds divided view on the current use of e.g. the US armed forces, this OT subject itself is pretty inflammable. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to start any arguments or flame wars, but it's been my opinion for years that the US should require at least one year in the armed services as well. If you want freedom and privileges, you should earn them, not feel automatically entitled to them by birth. ... except that your argument is EXACTLY opposite language of the preamble from our own (US) Constitution: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. It has been a cornerstone of our society from the beginning that no one has to EARN freedom. Nevertheless, I have the utmost respect for those who have sacrificed to ensure that liberty. Andrew -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
At 1:26 PM -0400 6/20/08, Andrew Ballard wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to start any arguments or flame wars, but it's been my opinion for years that the US should require at least one year in the armed services as well. If you want freedom and privileges, you should earn them, not feel automatically entitled to them by birth. ... except that your argument is EXACTLY opposite language of the preamble from our own (US) Constitution: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. It has been a cornerstone of our society from the beginning that no one has to EARN freedom. Nevertheless, I have the utmost respect for those who have sacrificed to ensure that liberty. Andrew That's not exactly what was meant by those words -- you have to consider the context of when they were said. While those words were indeed said, the un-said part was that we INSISTED to have those rights by all means possible. True it is/was the cornerstone of our society, but only from our willingness and commitment to defend ourselves against all those would deny us those rights. You see, one didn't automatically receive those rights at that time, nor now, without the ability to enforce them. That's the reason for a strong military. However, IMO we shouldn't be using our Military as an option for all diplomatic issues. That has a tendency to really piss people off big time. Anyway, as it's been said -- this thread is way off-topic. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
U.S. Air Force Air Force here also, still currently serving. Dan
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I wonder how many of us on the list served. It's got to be more than just you and I, Tedd, wouldn't you think? [/snip] U.S. Air Force United States Coast Guard ARS Helicopter Rescue Swimmer (HH-60) Never served personally but my Dad did 5 years in the Army as a UH1H Huey Helicopter airomed pilot and finished out 15 years in the guard doing the same thing. So I grew up with it and at the risk of starting a never ending debate... I fully support all of our armed forces :) My dad spent 20 years in the USAF and I grew up and Air Force Brat! :) I support all the Armed Forces though I don't understand jumping out of a perfectly good air plane. But I did do JROTC and ROTC during college. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Hehe, for you it is a matter of choice, In 2 years from now I will start my service duty at the combat - we have to serv - this is mandatoy in Israel. Regards, Nitsan On 19/06/2008, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I wonder how many of us on the list served. It's got to be more than just you and I, Tedd, wouldn't you think? [/snip] U.S. Air Force United States Coast Guard ARS Helicopter Rescue Swimmer (HH-60) Never served personally but my Dad did 5 years in the Army as a UH1H Huey Helicopter airomed pilot and finished out 15 years in the guard doing the same thing. So I grew up with it and at the risk of starting a never ending debate... I fully support all of our armed forces :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Nitsan Bin-Nun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehe, for you it is a matter of choice, In 2 years from now I will start my service duty at the combat - we have to serv - this is mandatoy in Israel. I don't want to start any arguments or flame wars, but it's been my opinion for years that the US should require at least one year in the armed services as well. If you want freedom and privileges, you should earn them, not feel automatically entitled to them by birth. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
[snip] I don't want to start any arguments or flame wars, but it's been my opinion for years that the US should require at least one year in the armed services as well. If you want freedom and privileges, you should earn them, not feel automatically entitled to them by birth. [/snip] I do not want to start any arguments of flame wars either, but I am in total agreement. A one or two year service (those medically unable can serve similar community service) would be very valuable not only to the country but to the person. In a similar vein I believe that folks wishing to immigrate to this country should serve similarly. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I don't want to start any arguments or flame wars, but it's been my opinion for years that the US should require at least one year in the armed services as well. If you want freedom and privileges, you should earn them, not feel automatically entitled to them by birth. [/snip] I do not want to start any arguments of flame wars either, but I am in total agreement. A one or two year service (those medically unable can serve similar community service) would be very valuable not only to the country but to the person. In a similar vein I believe that folks wishing to immigrate to this country should serve similarly. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I didn't personally serve, but have others in my family join the Air Force and Navy. Most people STRONGLY oppose mandatory service. I personally never agreed with anyone until the last couple years that there should be mandatory military service after high school. The reason being: What if I had something planned for my life, why would fighting a war help me accomplish this? I guess the main problem is people don't realize that there are a LOT of things you can do in the military other than just taking a gun out into the field and firing at the enemy. If you want people to believe that mandatory service is a good thing, they have to do more to get that message out. Especially in this day and age where most people think enlisting is just volunteering to go to Iraq. -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Plans start @ $1.99/month. Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the rest of the day. Light a man on fire, and will be warm for the rest of his life.
RE: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I don't want to start any arguments or flame wars, but it's been my opinion for years that the US should require at least one year in the armed services as well. If you want freedom and privileges, you should earn them, not feel automatically entitled to them by birth. [/snip] I do not want to start any arguments of flame wars either, but I am in total agreement. A one or two year service (those medically unable can serve similar community service) would be very valuable not only to the country but to the person. In a similar vein I believe that folks wishing to immigrate to this country should serve similarly. Yeah, I agree with that one as well. I'm in favor of them re-instituting the draft as well, not just for the current situation, but for giving everyone a better understanding of the freedoms they have and the reasons why they have them. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Dan Joseph wrote: I guess the main problem is people don't realize that there are a LOT of things you can do in the military other than just taking a gun out into the field and firing at the enemy. If you want people to believe that mandatory service is a good thing, they have to do more to get that message out. www.goarmy.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally never agreed with anyone until the last couple years that there should be mandatory military service after high school. The reason being: What if I had something planned for my life, why would fighting a war help me accomplish this? I guess the main problem is people don't realize that there are a LOT of things you can do in the military other than just taking a gun out into the field and firing at the enemy. If you want people to believe that mandatory service is a good thing, they have to do more to get that message out. Especially in this day and age where most people think enlisting is just volunteering to go to Iraq. Exactly. And not just a single branch, either - feel free to join any branch of the Armed Forces. For mandatory service, it should be on a one or two year term, as opposed to volunteer options of 3, 4, or 6 years. And when in there, keep in mind that you're not just going to be some tank crunchy in the middle of the desert; you can be anything at all, including a police officer, a cook, a priest, a paramedic, a mechanic, a programmer, a truck driver, or nearly anything else at all. With the exception of elected officials, artists, and entertainers, virtually all paid civilian jobs have a paid military counterpart. Of course, not all military jobs have a civilian counterpart, but chances are that - if you enjoy your non-civilian-available position - you're going to make a career out of the service. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Iv Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Joseph wrote: I guess the main problem is people don't realize that there are a LOT of things you can do in the military other than just taking a gun out into the field and firing at the enemy. If you want people to believe that mandatory service is a good thing, they have to do more to get that message out. www.goarmy.com http://www.gocoastguard.com/ Call me biased. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
--- Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Iv Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Joseph wrote: I guess the main problem is people don't realize that there are a LOT of things you can do in the military other than just taking a gun out into the field and firing at the enemy. If you want people to believe that mandatory service is a good thing, they have to do more to get that message out. www.goarmy.com http://www.gocoastguard.com/ Call me biased. ;-P http://www.airforce.com/ Call me biased too. :-P -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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[snip] www.goarmy.com http://www.gocoastguard.com/ [/snip] http://www.airforce.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Dan i'm 16 years old, currently my monthly salary (working as php freelancer) almost catching my dad's and he is living good. In 2 years from now I have to serv, probably at the battle field (I'm healthy qualified) and usualy the place where guys like me being send to includes additional 2 years - at the bottom line I'm getting in at age of 18 and becoming a citizen when i'm 23-24, I believe that if I won't take this service (there are zillions of oppertunities to step back from the service) I can start work at some web developing company (not freelancing) and start learn at university or something, but in Israel the feelings of apperciation to the motherland is higher than anywhere else in the world, since you are young the people around you (the nuclear family and everyone you know) injecting you the poison of this apperciation, so when you are 18 years-old you know what is the meaning of service and you are aspiring to serv as much as good as you can. Regards, Nitsan On 19/06/2008, Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Jay Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I don't want to start any arguments or flame wars, but it's been my opinion for years that the US should require at least one year in the armed services as well. If you want freedom and privileges, you should earn them, not feel automatically entitled to them by birth. [/snip] I do not want to start any arguments of flame wars either, but I am in total agreement. A one or two year service (those medically unable can serve similar community service) would be very valuable not only to the country but to the person. In a similar vein I believe that folks wishing to immigrate to this country should serve similarly. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I didn't personally serve, but have others in my family join the Air Force and Navy. Most people STRONGLY oppose mandatory service. I personally never agreed with anyone until the last couple years that there should be mandatory military service after high school. The reason being: What if I had something planned for my life, why would fighting a war help me accomplish this? I guess the main problem is people don't realize that there are a LOT of things you can do in the military other than just taking a gun out into the field and firing at the enemy. If you want people to believe that mandatory service is a good thing, they have to do more to get that message out. Especially in this day and age where most people think enlisting is just volunteering to go to Iraq. -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Plans start @ $1.99/month. Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the rest of the day. Light a man on fire, and will be warm for the rest of his life.
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Wolf wrote: www.goarmy.com http://www.gocoastguard.com/ Call me biased. ;-P http://www.airforce.com/ Call me biased too. :-P Call me .. uh no, I'm getting sick ... you guys are so completely and utterly off-topic - please take it off-line. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call me .. uh no, I'm getting sick ... you guys are so completely and utterly off-topic - please take it off-line. No offense meant at all, Per, but I actually think the thread is of interest to a large portion of us here, so I disagree with taking it off-line. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call me .. uh no, I'm getting sick ... you guys are so completely and utterly off-topic - please take it off-line. No offense meant at all, Per, but I actually think the thread is of interest to a large portion of us here, so I disagree with taking it off-line. Dan, no offence taken nor meant, but 1) you have very little idea of who may or may not be interested in this, and 2) just because a subject might conceivably be of interest to a large portion of us does not make it appropriate for this list. We might as well be discussing the EM or HDTV or the failure of EU Lisbon Treaty. Those are all equally off-topic, but probably also interesting to a large portion of us. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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At 2:59 PM -0400 6/19/08, Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call me .. uh no, I'm getting sick ... you guys are so completely and utterly off-topic - please take it off-line. No offense meant at all, Per, but I actually think the thread is of interest to a large portion of us here, so I disagree with taking it off-line. With all due respect, a lot of things - eg, computer hardware, food - are of interest to a large portion of the list. I don't want to discuss computer hardware or food here. This list should be strictly about PHP issues. So I have to agree with Per here. Perhaps a PHP-Personal, PHP-Fun or PHP-OT list could be set up for such discussions; heck, I might even subscribe to it. steve -- +--- my people are the people of the dessert, ---+ | Steve Edberghttp://pgfsun.ucdavis.edu/ | | UC Davis Genome Center[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Bioinformatics programming/database/sysadmin (530)754-9127 | + said t e lawrence, picking up his fork + -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, no offence taken nor meant, but 1) you have very little idea of who may or may not be interested in this, and 2) just because a subject might conceivably be of interest to a large portion of us does not make it appropriate for this list. However, in rebuttal: 1.) I do know that I filter out dozens of messages per day, and that others are fully-capable of doing the same. 2.) This is more based on camaraderie and mutual-respect than the subjects you mentioned below. We might as well be discussing the EM or HDTV or the failure of EU Lisbon Treaty. Those are all equally off-topic, but probably also interesting to a large portion of us. I do agree, and I think it's worth another mention to the Website Team to discuss a specific OT list for those of us who would like to stray once in a while. After all, you can't spend every day speaking with the same people on here without developing some common interests and bonds. With the Mozilla project, there's Mozilla-General, which is not at all like PHP-General: it's a place for those involved in all aspects of the Mozilla Foundation, projects, and sub-projects to discuss anything at all. It's been brought up many times over the years, but I still think we should have something like that here. Plus, I think it would cut down (a small bit, anyway) on traffic to the General list for people who don't want to filter. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Once again, keep in mind that, despite whatever the black-and-white may indicated below, there's zero hostility or offense meant herein. Sometimes, due to the lack of inflection to differentiate, it may seem otherwise. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Steve Edberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps a PHP-Personal, PHP-Fun or PHP-OT list could be set up for such discussions; heck, I might even subscribe to it. Unfortunately, it's been discussed many times over the years, but never moves forward. I've seen messages from you here and there for years, Steve. I'm sure you're aware of it. Conversely, at the same time, for the number of years during which you've subscribed, you are not a heavy poster. To me, that says you filter out a large number of the messages you get from the list(s) as well. Point being, if and until there is a specific OT list where those of us involved in discussions here on a regular basis, I see no problem with one or two off-topic threads dedicated to facilitating that communication and keeping people interested. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Military Service WAS [PHP] Capitalization of variable
Hehe, for you it is a matter of choice, In 2 years from now I will start my service duty at the combat - we have to serv - this is mandatoy in Israel. Regards, Nitsan It was not a matter of choice for me -- I was drafted (1966) into the US Army during Vietnam. You see, everyone was drafted back then, except for the rich and those with influence. I served as a Military Policeman and was pretty much hated by everyone, civilian and military alike. It was an interesting time and experience. Every male member of the Sperling family (including my son), all the way back to the Civil war, served during wartime. We were all lucky to have survived, more or less, intact. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 19 Jun 2008, at 20:27, Daniel Brown wrote: Once again, keep in mind that, despite whatever the black-and-white may indicated below, there's zero hostility or offense meant herein. Sometimes, due to the lack of inflection to differentiate, it may seem otherwise. Likewise... On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Steve Edberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps a PHP-Personal, PHP-Fun or PHP-OT list could be set up for such discussions; heck, I might even subscribe to it. Unfortunately, it's been discussed many times over the years, but never moves forward. I've seen messages from you here and there for years, Steve. I'm sure you're aware of it. Conversely, at the same time, for the number of years during which you've subscribed, you are not a heavy poster. To me, that says you filter out a large number of the messages you get from the list(s) as well. Point being, if and until there is a specific OT list where those of us involved in discussions here on a regular basis, I see no problem with one or two off-topic threads dedicated to facilitating that communication and keeping people interested. Pull your head out of your arse Dan. There are plenty of lists on the World Wild Interweb where such discussions can and do take place. Such a list is not something the PHP community should provide even if you believe they owe it to you. Fact remains that this is wy off-topic for *this* list. If you want to start a list for pointless discussions you can easily do so on Google Groups, for free. You may even get some subscribers. I think we'd tolerate a single email from you announcing it. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Jun 2008, at 20:27, Daniel Brown wrote: Once again, keep in mind that, despite whatever the black-and-white may indicated below, there's zero hostility or offense meant herein. Sometimes, due to the lack of inflection to differentiate, it may seem otherwise. Likewise... See, Stut, there's a difference. When I said it, I meant it. ;-P Pull your head out of your arse Dan. There are plenty of lists on the World Wild Interweb where such discussions can and do take place. Such a list is not something the PHP community should provide even if you believe they owe it to you. Never once did I ever claim any sort of entitlement, did I? And the fact is, it's people on this list that are involved. Did I start an off-topic thread? No. Am I participating in one? Sure. Now consider the description of the list itself: This is a really high volume general list for PHP users. A general list for PHP users. I know damn well what the spirit of it means, but by definition, it means a 'general forum for discussion offered to members of the PHP community.' Nothing explicitly states that it must be PHP-related. So before anyone decides they'd like to jump the bandwagon and start a flame war over something that could easily be avoided by not reading the thread (again, as I'm sure a majority of threads are skipped by most of us on a daily basis), I'd recommend taking that into consideration. I'm aware that it's with the intent and spirit of asking PHP-related questions but quite frankly, the few posts in this thread probably would've been the last. Now there's more smatter than actual substance. Fact remains that this is wy off-topic for *this* list. If you want to start a list for pointless discussions you can easily do so on Google Groups, for free. You may even get some subscribers. I think we'd tolerate a single email from you announcing it. And if you want to make presumptions, Stut, please do so for yourself, and say, I would as opposed to speaking for the group and saying, we would. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
