[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Levi Morrison
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for removing it from the front page, Zeev. It needed to be done. Based on the discussion here, I've compiled an informal count of who advocates which action: Remove the post: 13 (81.25%) and don't

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Joe Watkins
I don't see those quoted numbers here, *at all*. Zeev, it's cowardly to say I don't know who it was or it doesn't matter who it was, you can read my name on the commit, and know full well who it was, if you have something to say, say it. Andi, It's not fair to call me unprofessional for

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joe Watkins pthre...@pthreads.org wrote: I don't see those quoted numbers here, *at all*. Zeev, it's cowardly to say I don't know who it was or it doesn't matter who it was, you can read my name on the commit, and know full well who it was, if you have

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 5/29/14, 12:40 AM, Joe Watkins wrote: Those people I respect understand what I was doing and why, and are still supportive of the idea to have a developer blog it's just a shame that we seem to have a community that is incompatible, completely incompatible. Joe, the root problem here is

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Lester Caine
On 29/05/14 08:40, Joe Watkins wrote: Those people I respect understand what I was doing and why, and are still supportive of the idea to have a developer blog it's just a shame that we seem to have a community that is incompatible, completely incompatible. Joe - lets just leave it as you were

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi Joe! I think however anyone sees the announcement you have authored, it is a new thing that was never done before on php.net, and we all agree on that. And it came as surprise to many participants of the project. I think in the PHP project we see php.net as something representing all of us,

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 29 May 2014, Levi Morrison wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for removing it from the front page, Zeev. It needed to be done. Based on the discussion here, I've compiled an informal count of who advocates which action:

Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi Joe, On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joe Watkins pthre...@pthreads.org wrote: I don't see those quoted numbers here, *at all*. Zeev, it's cowardly to say I don't know who it was or it doesn't matter who it was, you can read my name on the commit, and know full well who it was, if you

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Kris Craig
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Joe Watkins pthre...@pthreads.org wrote: I don't see those quoted numbers here, *at all*. Hi Joe, I personally compiled those numbers by reading every single message on this thread to-date and tallying according to what each person said. There is some

[PHP-WEBMASTER] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Zeev Suraski
Zeev, it's cowardly to say I don't know who it was or it doesn't matter who it was, you can read my name on the commit, and know full well who it was, if you have something to say, say it. Joe, I think you just derailed this conversation in a manner that I’m surprised so many people answered

[PHP-WEBMASTER] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Zeev Suraski
Joe, the root problem here is that turning www.php.net into a developer blog is a decision that takes a bit more than a couple of people agreeing late at night on irc when many of us were asleep. At the very least a quick email to webmaster@ would have been in order. I want to point out the

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 5/29/14, 1:45 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote: Joe, the root problem here is that turning www.php.net into a developer blog is a decision that takes a bit more than a couple of people agreeing late at night on irc when many of us were asleep. At the very least a quick email to webmaster@ would

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-28 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 18:47 +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: I agree that this doesn't belong to the frontpage, nor do we did ever have stuff like this there. But I also think that removing it would do more harm than good at this point. I also think that having a easier to understand channel and

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-28 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.dewrote: On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 18:47 +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: I agree that this doesn't belong to the frontpage, nor do we did ever have stuff like this there. But I also think that removing it would do more harm

[PHP-WEBMASTER] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-28 Thread Zeev Suraski
Ferenc, Nobody here plays a blame game, like I said, who did it doesn’t really matter. The fact that this is still on our front page *does**.* Can we, for the love of PHP, remove this message from www.php.net’shttp://www.php.net'sfront page? Let’s keep the message but unlink it from the

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-28 Thread Levi Morrison
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote: Ferenc, Nobody here plays a blame game, like I said, who did it doesn’t really matter. The fact that this is still on our front page does. Can we, for the love of PHP, remove this message from www.php.net’s front page?

[PHP-WEBMASTER] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-28 Thread Zeev Suraski
I am about 99% confident you have karma; why haven't you done it? After 2815 days from the previous commit, I've finally committed something new to phpweb... I unlinked the news entry from the homepage but for now kept it on the 2014 archive so that whomever kept links they'd still work. Zeev

[PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry

2014-05-28 Thread Kris Craig
Thank you for removing it from the front page, Zeev. It needed to be done. Based on the discussion here, I've compiled an informal count of who advocates which action: Remove the post: 13 (81.25%) and don't replace it: 1 (6.25%; 7.69%) and replace (or modify) it: 10 (62.5%; 76.92%)