Re: Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread sean
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Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread Marco Pivetta
I really prefer the extended syntax... Verbosity in templates is not that bad when prefilter render what I wanted in a clean, concise and compressed way... Making aliases within the library itself is just an overkill in my opinion, and could only case confusion for newcomers and collegues. I sugges

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread Anton Andriyevskyy
Do not take it globally, please. I love Phptal and I have not found anything better for PHP so far. But I still insist aliases would be helpful Even PHP itself has aliases for some functions. Hope it makes senseforsomeone. But I'm not here to argue. I just wanted to get some experience in such

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread Robert Goldsmith
Does anyone know if Sean is out of the office? ;) On 15 Jul 2011, at 09:28, s...@canterris.com wrote: > Thank you for contacting Canterris. I???m currently out of the office until > July 25. Please feel free to contact Will Freemen (w...@canterris.com) or > Canterris Technical Support (supp..

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread Robert Goldsmith
There will always be examples in every language that attempt to show it is 'better' than another :) How about we just agree that for those who want a modifiable syntax and have a desire to skip the verbosity of xml there are many alternative templating systems for PHP - smarty and twig being ex

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread Anton Andriyevskyy
and also, for guys who love all this long and annoying xml things, attributes etc... Is it not true that setting up routing in concise way like with F3 framework: F3::route('GET /login', 'PageLogin::run'); ... is really more clean and readable then 5-lines in XML in configuration file in Java

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread Anton Andriyevskyy
Robert, I'm typing ~500...700 symbols in a minute, so it was not told about typing from my side. Again, my opinion is that when you do something for yourself and you are very experienced, next level up is shorter notation - then you read & understand & refactor faster. Well I'm not pushing this cha

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-15 Thread Robert Goldsmith
I agree with this entirely and would like to add my voice to the 'not shortening' camp. In an environment where the author is also the maintainer and the xml is simple and short then I can certainly see the temptation to try and par the syntax down much like C but years of experience have told m

Re: Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread sean
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Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread Anton Andriyevskyy
Darrell, thanks for your detailed opinion, but this does not work for me, sorry. But of course your message may be useful to other readers, so I'll just keep going my way without arguing with you, thanks ;) Anton Andriyevskyy Business Automation & Web Development On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:19 AM

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread Piotr KroczyƄski
If you want to have shorter attributes do this: in PHPTAL/Php/Attribute/TAL/ add new files: file A.php : class PHPTAL_Php_Attribute_TAL_A extends PHPTAL_Php_Attribute_TAL_Attributes{} file C.php : addAttribute(new PHPTAL_NamespaceAttributeContent('content', 11)); $this->addAttribute(new PHPTA

Re: Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread sean
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Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread Darrell Hamilton
I would argue that compile time type inferencing in Scala is not comparable to shortening an attribute name. The intent of the feature in Scala is not to lessen the number of characters typed, but to eliminate the need to explicitly specify the type of a variable if that type is obvious as that co

Re: Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread sean
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Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread Anton Andriyevskyy
Darrell, all this sounds good, but it the same ends up that we want to have more concise html with shorter attributes. Concise (but still readable) always wins - a good example would be Scala programming language where compiler infers many things automatically but still keeps things strongly typed,

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread Darrell Hamilton
Pretty sure this could be easily implemented at a prefilter, using DOM + XPaths to search for the aliases and replace them with the full attribute names. I would, however, recommend avoiding this altogether. Implementing any such solution, whether it be a prefilter or in the core of phptal, will

Re: Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread sean
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Re: [PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-14 Thread romtek
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Anton Andriyevskyy wrote: > Is there a way to easily define aliases & use them for shorter syntax like > tal:b instead of tal:block, > tal:c instead of tal:content, tal:a instead of tal:attributes etc? It's > becoming useful when you are > kind of PHPTAL guru and y

[PHPTAL] Minimized version of modifiers

2011-07-11 Thread Anton Andriyevskyy
Is there a way to easily define aliases & use them for shorter syntax like tal:b instead of tal:block, tal:c instead of tal:content, tal:a instead of tal:attributes etc? It's becoming useful when you are kind of PHPTAL guru and you do not want to type these long words everywhere, you just want to g