Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
How about now? A bit more colorful. Everything is slightly smaller (with 1em kept only for large resolutions in browsers that support CSS media queries). Any idea how to add color to headers? body of text? -- regards, Kornel ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
On 01.06.2009, at 14:09, admirau wrote: Starting from the top: * Kerning in PHPTAL logo could be improved What's wrong with it? Improved how? I thought that's browsers' job. * Upper right gray area is unused == takes important place I plan to put search box there. But the main issue visible then is: too small line height. Consolas is pretty in plain text, but for code it needs a lot of whitespace to be pretty and readable.) I've increased line height. * On Firefox 3.5, when hovering the menu, horizontal scrollbar is moving Could not reproduce. * Syntax coloring looks better on dark background No it doesn't ;P * Link to validator shows errors DTD sucks and doesn't support XML namespaces. I'll probably switch to HTML5 output at some point. And one more feature request: * PDF version of the manual would be nice. I've tried that, but couldn't get xmlto to work. Help? -- regards, Kornel ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
I support everything Werner said in his elaborated reply. I think using 1em for font-size is correct as it uses the browser's default value. If it's too much for somebody, he can reduce the default value. But the default is there for a reason, and it's nice for a web designer to respect users' wishes (I assume users are aware that they can express their wishes by setting default values, and it's not too much to assume among web designers :) ) The top bar and the menu bar could (and should) be reduced by about 50% to leave more space for the useful content. I like the colors, overall. It's impossible to please everybody. What can appear a happy color for one, may hurt someone else's eyes. For example, I like blue color, but a lot of it makes my friend's eyes hurt. > Is anyone going to be offended if website won't look pretty in IE older than > 8? Considering the audience, I think it's OK to target only recent versions. Roman ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
W dniu 2009-06-01 00:59, Kornel Lesiński pisze: I welcome suggestions about the design, typography. I'd like some help integrating scripts&makefiles for manual and website together (svn exports + recursive make?) In general: old one was better :) Starting from the top: * Kerning in PHPTAL logo could be improved * Top takes 1/3 of the screen on my LCD (1440×900 - toolbars) * Upper right gray area is unused == takes important place * I prefer smaller text (when I press ctrl- twice to see the menu in reasonable size, headers are still to big, while main text is a bit to small. But the main issue visible then is: too small line height. Consolas is pretty in plain text, but for code it needs a lot of whitespace to be pretty and readable.) * Too much gray (gray shadows, gray background, gray, menu, rollovers) - try with olive/Black/white/orange * Headers shouldn't be uppercase * Active tab needs left and right borders + the other menu items border bottom - then the tab becomes the part of the page * On Firefox 3.5, when hovering the menu, horizontal scrollbar is moving * Inline code blocks text should be slightly bigger (x-height is smaller) * I prefer column-wide code blocks (now each one has different width) * Syntax coloring looks better on dark background * Uppercase italics looks strange * Link to validator shows errors And one more feature request: * PDF version of the manual would be nice. Do you know a good way to get syntax coloring for code snippets? I've tried GeSHi, but it's unsuitable for highlighting of in-line code and doesn't support mixing of languages (e.g. fragment with PHP, HTML and CSS will have only HTML parts highlighted properly). http://taat.pl/phptal_filter_library/source/My_PHPTAL_Filter_Geshify.phps … … Requires modification if you need: … But in my opinion, inline code does not need highlighting. If it does, it shoud be code block. Is anyone going to be offended if website won't look pretty in IE older than 8? _pretty_ is a subjective term :) -- regards takeshin ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
Ok, allow me to elaborate a bit... 1) I like sites that are easy to read. Especially if it's of a technical nature, like PHPTAL. 2) I like sites that are center-aligned, and sites that can scale according to the viewport (like when I visit it om my mobile), or on my nice big monitor in the office. 3) I like sites that put the emphasis on the content, not on other frilly things, especially if it's of a technical nature. 4) I like sites with clear navigation, also showing you where you are atm, since a lot of people don't land on the home page, per se. 5) I like sites designed for the web, without shrapnel left overs from the print-based design era. 6) I just like to read a site without too much distraction from what I'm supposed to concentrate on. All of the above is just my personal preference, as stated. I'm not a usability purist, just an everyday web user. On the other hand, some colour would not hurt, I suppose, but I don't think it's necessary - I still like the way it's now ;) Kind Regards, Werner Werner wrote: Hehehehe - you're a tough customer :) aaatoja wrote: Ok, I can make it smaller. What would you change with the top? Old site is pure and clean. When I first saw new one I thought "why is it so sad"? There's too much gray (unless it symbolizes the dullness of other projects), trifolium (?) should suggest live, bright and happy colors. I don't like transition between top and content - it looks strange to me. I don't know - maybe there is missing something to the left - some graphics, or maybe it's bad contrast. And I don't like hover color. ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
Hehehehe - you're a tough customer :) aaatoja wrote: Ok, I can make it smaller. What would you change with the top? Old site is pure and clean. When I first saw new one I thought "why is it so sad"? There's too much gray (unless it symbolizes the dullness of other projects), trifolium (?) should suggest live, bright and happy colors. I don't like transition between top and content - it looks strange to me. I don't know - maybe there is missing something to the left - some graphics, or maybe it's bad contrast. And I don't like hover color. ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
> Ok, I can make it smaller. What would you change with the top? > Old site is pure and clean. When I first saw new one I thought "why is it so sad"? There's too much gray (unless it symbolizes the dullness of other projects), trifolium (?) should suggest live, bright and happy colors. I don't like transition between top and content - it looks strange to me. I don't know - maybe there is missing something to the left - some graphics, or maybe it's bad contrast. And I don't like hover color. ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
I like it the way it is currently (larger font sizes) - I hate having to squint in order to read technical docs. I just like it's simplicity and scalability - just my 2 cents. PS: Good job, Kornel! Kornel Lesiński wrote: Ok, I can make it smaller. What would you change with the top? ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
On 01-06-2009 at 06:27:36 aaatoja wrote: For syntax highlighting You can try: http://code.google.com/p/google-code-prettify/ It is google project used in code.google.com so obviously doesn't work with application/xhtml+xml ;) PHPTAL now supports HTML5 output mode, so this isn't a problem :) I don't like gray top and I think font-size 16px for text is too large. Ok, I can make it smaller. What would you change with the top? Oh, btw. Could You fill conditional statements section with remaining expressions? Ok. -- regards, Kornel ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
Not sure where you see 16px, the browser default font size is being used afaik. The grey top could be reduced though, as well as the menu bar height; other than that, the reading area is wider which is good and it's overall cleaner I find ;-) On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM, aaatoja wrote: > For syntax highlighting You can try: > http://code.google.com/p/google-code-prettify/ > > It is google project used in code.google.com so obviously doesn't work with > application/xhtml+xml ;) > > I don't like gray top and I think font-size 16px for text is too large. > Compare old manual with the new one. On 1024x768 I have only ~6 two-line > paragraphs on my screen. Oh, btw. Could You fill conditional statements > section with remaining expressions? > 'not' => '!', > 'ne' => '!=', > 'and' => '&&', > 'or' => '||', > 'lt' => '<', > 'gt' => '>', > 'ge' => '>=', > 'le' => '<=', > 'eq' => '==' > > ___ > PHPTAL mailing list > PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com > http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal > -- -- Tjerk ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] New PHPTAL website!
For syntax highlighting You can try: http://code.google.com/p/google-code-prettify/ It is google project used in code.google.com so obviously doesn't work with application/xhtml+xml ;) I don't like gray top and I think font-size 16px for text is too large. Compare old manual with the new one. On 1024x768 I have only ~6 two-line paragraphs on my screen. Oh, btw. Could You fill conditional statements section with remaining expressions? 'not' => '!', 'ne' => '!=', 'and' => '&&', 'or' => '||', 'lt' => '<', 'gt' => '>', 'ge' => '>=', 'le' => '<=', 'eq' => '==' ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
