Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Jon Kleiser]

Hi,


Others also mentioned Xubuntu, but my old Mac mini cannot handle all DVD and CD 
formats very well. Fortunately Lubuntu had a 64-bit 14.04 .iso DVD that my Mac 
did accept. Now I have 64-bit PicoLisp running ...



: (cons *CPU (version T))
-> ("x86-64" 16 1 16)


The future is bright. The only thing I have not got, for some reason, is 
Norwegian keyboard layout. It was available during installation, but now I 
cannot find it. I guess I will fix that in a couple of days.


/Jon



From: picolisp@software-lab.de <picolisp@software-lab.de> on behalf of O.Hamann 
<o.ham...@gmx.net>
Sent: 19 January 2016 12:09
To: picolisp@software-lab.de
Subject: Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

Xubuntu could work too.
And it's possible to switch window systems later, too.


On 18.01.2016 09:22, Jon Kleiser wrote:

Hi Rick,

Lubuntu looks very promising. I think I have to give it a try. Thanks!

/Jon



On 17. Jan, 2016, at 22:10, Rick Hanson 
<cryptor...@gmail.com><mailto:cryptor...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jon!

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Jon Kleiser 
<jon.klei...@fsat.no><mailto:jon.klei...@fsat.no> wrote:


There is a chance I could have managed to run some 64-bit Linux on
this old Mac if I went for a non-GUI version, or a version that was
happy with only 1GB RAM, [...]


If you like Ubuntu-ish and want to see about 64-bit, maybe try
http://lubuntu.net/ on your 1GB RAM machine.  More fun for the
weekend! :)

Fw: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Jon Kleiser]

Thanks, Chri.

/Jon

From: Jon Kleiser
Sent: 21 January 2016 21:11
To: Christophe Gragnic
Subject: Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

Hi Chri,

Wow, great! Thanks.

/Jon

From: Christophe Gragnic <christophegrag...@gmail.com>
Sent: 21 January 2016 21:08
To: Jon Kleiser
Subject: Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

Off list:
Did you try `setxkbmap no` ?

chri

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Jon Kleiser <jon.klei...@fsat.no> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Others also mentioned Xubuntu, but my old Mac mini cannot handle all DVD and
> CD formats very well. Fortunately Lubuntu had a 64-bit 14.04 .iso DVD that
> my Mac did accept. Now I have 64-bit PicoLisp running ..
>
>
>
> : (cons *CPU (version T))
> -> ("x86-64" 16 1 16)
>
>
> The future is bright. The only thing I have not got, for some reason, is
> Norwegian keyboard layout. It was available during installation, but now I
> cannot find it. I guess I will fix that in a couple of days.
>
>
> /Jon
>
>
> 
> From: picolisp@software-lab.de <picolisp@software-lab.de> on behalf of
> O.Hamann <o.ham...@gmx.net>
> Sent: 19 January 2016 12:09
> To: picolisp@software-lab.de
> Subject: Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu
>
> Xubuntu could work too.
> And it's possible to switch window systems later, too.
>
>
> On 18.01.2016 09:22, Jon Kleiser wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Lubuntu looks very promising. I think I have to give it a try. Thanks!
>
> /Jon
>
> On 17. Jan, 2016, at 22:10, Rick Hanson <cryptor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jon!
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Jon Kleiser <jon.klei...@fsat.no> wrote:
>
> There is a chance I could have managed to run some 64-bit Linux on
> this old Mac if I went for a non-GUI version, or a version that was
> happy with only 1GB RAM, [...]
>
> If you like Ubuntu-ish and want to see about 64-bit, maybe try
> http://lubuntu.net/ on your 1GB RAM machine.  More fun for the
> weekend! :)
>
>



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Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[O.Hamann]

Xubuntu could work too.
And it's possible to switch window systems later, too.


On 18.01.2016 09:22, Jon Kleiser wrote:

Hi Rick,

Lubuntu looks very promising. I think I have to give it a try. Thanks!

/Jon


On 17. Jan, 2016, at 22:10, Rick Hanson  wrote:

Hi Jon!

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Jon Kleiser  wrote:

There is a chance I could have managed to run some 64-bit Linux on
this old Mac if I went for a non-GUI version, or a version that was
happy with only 1GB RAM, [...]

If you like Ubuntu-ish and want to see about 64-bit, maybe try
http://lubuntu.net/  on your 1GB RAM machine.  More fun for the
weekend! :)

Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Jon Kleiser]

Hi Rick,

Lubuntu looks very promising. I think I have to give it a try. Thanks!

/Jon

> On 17. Jan, 2016, at 22:10, Rick Hanson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jon!
> 
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Jon Kleiser  wrote:
>> There is a chance I could have managed to run some 64-bit Linux on
>> this old Mac if I went for a non-GUI version, or a version that was
>> happy with only 1GB RAM, [...]
> 
> If you like Ubuntu-ish and want to see about 64-bit, maybe try
> http://lubuntu.net/ on your 1GB RAM machine.  More fun for the
> weekend! :)

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Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Antonio Bianco]

I think you could also give it a try with the current 64bit version.
I may be wrong, but what it means is that if you have more than 2Gb RAM, a
32bit system cannot address them and therefore you need 64bit,
unless you enable big memory support that slows down the 32-bit system
(that is what I recall from the time, but again, I may be wrong).


2016-01-18 9:22 GMT+01:00 Jon Kleiser :

> Hi Rick,
>
> Lubuntu looks very promising. I think I have to give it a try. Thanks!
>
> /Jon
>
> > On 17. Jan, 2016, at 22:10, Rick Hanson  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jon!
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Jon Kleiser 
> wrote:
> >> There is a chance I could have managed to run some 64-bit Linux on
> >> this old Mac if I went for a non-GUI version, or a version that was
> >> happy with only 1GB RAM, [...]
> >
> > If you like Ubuntu-ish and want to see about 64-bit, maybe try
> > http://lubuntu.net/ on your 1GB RAM machine.  More fun for the
> > weekend! :)
>
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Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Rick Hanson]

Hi Jon!

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Jon Kleiser  wrote:
> There is a chance I could have managed to run some 64-bit Linux on
> this old Mac if I went for a non-GUI version, or a version that was
> happy with only 1GB RAM, [...]

If you like Ubuntu-ish and want to see about 64-bit, maybe try
http://lubuntu.net/ on your 1GB RAM machine.  More fun for the
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Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Tomas Hlavaty]

Hi Jon,

> My old Mac mini has an Intel Core 2 Duo, and that is supposed to be a
> 64-bit machine. However, when I should pick the Ubuntu version for
> this Mac from this page http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop both
> the drop-down menus says "32-bit — for machines with less than 2GB
> RAM". That is what I picked, and I am afraid that prevents me from

you can try "uname -a" or "cat /proc/cpuinfo" to find out more about the
machine architecture.

Cheers,

Tomas
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Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Jon Kleiser]

Hi Tomas,

Thanks for your hints. This is part of the info I got:
jkleiser@oldmini:~/picoLisp$ uname -a
Linux oldmini 3.19.0-25-generic #26~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 24 21:18:00 UTC 
2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
jkleiser@oldmini:~/picoLisp$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 15
model name  : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200  @ 2.00GHz
stepping: 6
microcode   : 0xc7
cpu MHz : 2000.000
 . . and a lot more.

/Jon

From: picolisp@software-lab.de <picolisp@software-lab.de> on behalf of Tomas 
Hlavaty <t...@logand.com>
Sent: 17 January 2016 21:20
To: picolisp@software-lab.de
Subject: Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

Hi Jon,

> My old Mac mini has an Intel Core 2 Duo, and that is supposed to be a
> 64-bit machine. However, when I should pick the Ubuntu version for
> this Mac from this page http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop both
> the drop-down menus says "32-bit — for machines with less than 2GB
> RAM". That is what I picked, and I am afraid that prevents me from

you can try "uname -a" or "cat /proc/cpuinfo" to find out more about the
machine architecture.

Cheers,

Tomas
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Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Jon Kleiser]

Hi Alex,

My old Mac mini has an Intel Core 2 Duo, and that is supposed to be a 64-bit 
machine. However, when I should pick the Ubuntu version for this Mac from this 
page
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
both the drop-down menus says "32-bit — for machines with less than 2GB RAM". 
That is what I picked, and I am afraid that prevents me from running 64-bit 
software.
You are right, when I do (cons *CPU (version T)), then I get
("emu" 16 1 16).
There is a chance I could have managed to run some 64-bit Linux on this old Mac 
if I went for a non-GUI version, or a version that was happy with only 1GB RAM, 
but as it is, I am quite satisfied that I managed to get Linux running at all 
on this Mac.

/Jon


From: picolisp@software-lab.de <picolisp@software-lab.de> on behalf of 
Alexander Burger <a...@software-lab.de>
Sent: 17 January 2016 08:08
To: picolisp@software-lab.de
Subject: Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

Hi Jon,

> I had an old Mac mini that I had given up as an OSX machine, as it had
> only 1 GB RAM, and it was too difficult (or impossible?) to install more
> ...
>
> One of the first things I installed was PicoLisp, of course. I simply did the
>
> sudo apt-get install picolisp
>
> What I got was 3.1.5.2 C, 32-bit PicoLisp. I was slightly
> disappointed.

Hmm, I don't know, but isn't the Mac mini hardware 32-bits?


> Then today I downloaded the current .tgz from
> software-lab.de<http://software-lab.de>. I tried the
> (cd src64; make), and to my delight, I now got 64-bit 16.1.16 working!

If so, perhaps it compiled the emulator, which is the fallback
architecture if the machine is neither arm64, x86_64 or ppc64le?

What does *CPU say? I suspect

   : (cons *CPU (version T))
   -> ("emu" 16 1 16)

♪♫ Alex
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Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Tomas Hlavaty]

Hi Jon,

> model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200  @ 2.00GHz

the processor is 64 bit:
http://ark.intel.com/products/27255/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T7200-4M-Cache-2_00-GHz-667-MHz-FSB
so it should be possible to install 64 bit linux.

Tomas
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PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Jon Kleiser]

Hi,


I had an old Mac mini that I had given up as an OSX machine, as it had only 1 
GB RAM, and it was too difficult (or impossible?) to install more RAM on it. 
Then I got the idea that maybe that Mac could be made into a Linux machine. I 
had to try several DVDs and CDs, and a USB stick, before I finally had a DVD 
that worked on this old Mac. So here I am, running 32-bit Ubuntu 14.04. It 
works really fine. ;-)

One of the first things I installed was PicoLisp, of course. I simply did the

sudo apt-get install picolisp

What I got was 3.1.5.2 C, 32-bit PicoLisp. I was slightly disappointed. Then 
today I downloaded the current .tgz from 
software-lab.de. I tried the

(cd src64; make), and to my delight, I now got 64-bit 16.1.16 working! That old 
Mac now has a great future.


/Jon

Re: PicoLisp on Ubuntu

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Jon,

> I had an old Mac mini that I had given up as an OSX machine, as it had
> only 1 GB RAM, and it was too difficult (or impossible?) to install more
> ...
> 
> One of the first things I installed was PicoLisp, of course. I simply did the
> 
> sudo apt-get install picolisp
> 
> What I got was 3.1.5.2 C, 32-bit PicoLisp. I was slightly
> disappointed.

Hmm, I don't know, but isn't the Mac mini hardware 32-bits?


> Then today I downloaded the current .tgz from
> software-lab.de. I tried the
> (cd src64; make), and to my delight, I now got 64-bit 16.1.16 working!

If so, perhaps it compiled the emulator, which is the fallback
architecture if the machine is neither arm64, x86_64 or ppc64le?

What does *CPU say? I suspect

   : (cons *CPU (version T))   
   -> ("emu" 16 1 16)

♪♫ Alex
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