Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Le Tuesday 12 February 2013 23:55:39 Mark a écrit : On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Shaun Reich sre...@kde.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Technical implementation aside: I think that makes absolute sense: * one vd by default * do

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: Le Tuesday 12 February 2013 23:55:39 Mark a écrit : On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Shaun Reich sre...@kde.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Technical implementation

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 10:58:09 Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: Le Tuesday 12 February 2013 23:55:39 Mark a écrit : On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Shaun Reich sre...@kde.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martin

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Le Wednesday 13 February 2013 11:04:06 Martin Gräßlin a écrit : On Wednesday 13 February 2013 10:58:09 Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: Le Tuesday 12 February 2013 23:55:39 Mark a écrit : [snip] Why are you folks discarding my usecase

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: Le Wednesday 13 February 2013 11:04:06 Martin Gräßlin a écrit : On Wednesday 13 February 2013 10:58:09 Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: Le Tuesday 12 February 2013

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 11:24:06 Mark wrote: When i brought this issue up in RB and moved it to this list i was actually expecting a reply like: Ohh, we introduced a new pager in 4.10 that occupies space without putting anything in it by default. Lets fix that asap. But there is nothing

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Marco Martin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark wrote: That would probably be the best way i guess. But then we still have an empty taskbar area occupied by the pager during the 4.10 cycle. I can hardly imagine that to be the intention? It's just a simple QML one liner.. If you want i can commit the

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 11:40:15 Marco Martin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark wrote: That would probably be the best way i guess. But then we still have an empty taskbar area occupied by the pager during the 4.10 cycle. I can hardly imagine that to be the intention?

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 11:24:06 Mark wrote: When i brought this issue up in RB and moved it to this list i was actually expecting a reply like: Ohh, we introduced a new pager in 4.10 that occupies space without

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark wrote: That would probably be the best way i guess. But then we still have an empty taskbar area occupied by the pager during the 4.10 cycle. I can hardly imagine that to be the

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:40:15 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark wrote: That would probably be the best way i guess. But then we still have an empty taskbar area occupied by the pager during the 4.10 cycle. I can hardly imagine that to be the intention? It's just

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 06:17:45 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Since the virtual desktop kcm is already shown from within the pager applet configuration dialog, maybe it can simply be removed from systemsettings? erm no, I'm using virtual desktops but not a pager and the KCM offers more than

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:23:41 +0100, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 06:17:45 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Since the virtual desktop kcm is already shown from within the pager applet configuration dialog, maybe it can simply be removed from systemsettings? erm no, I'm using

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:40:15 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark wrote: That would probably be the best way i guess. But then we still have an empty taskbar area occupied by the pager during

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:11:13 +0100, Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:40:15 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark wrote: That would probably be the best way i guess. But then we still have an

Re: Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 06:43:47 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:23:41 +0100, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 06:17:45 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Since the virtual desktop kcm is already shown from within the pager applet configuration dialog, maybe it

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:11:13 +0100, Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:40:15 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark

Re: Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:44:31 +0100, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 06:43:47 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:23:41 +0100, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 06:17:45 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Since the virtual desktop kcm is already shown from

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:08 +0100, Mark wrote: I'm just going to assume you're making a joke here. In case you're not: bad idea! Do you have arguments to back this bold claim? Sure. I've opened this topic to improve the pager for default usage: - Show it even when you have just one VD to

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 13:50:08 Mark wrote: That's the intention and that hasn't changed. Apparently most of you seem to disagree here. Apparently i'm the only one that dislikes having an empty space shown by default.. to complement what Aurelien just wrote: you need to step aside from

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:08 +0100, Mark wrote: I'm just going to assume you're making a joke here. In case you're not: bad idea! Do you have arguments to back this bold claim? Sure. I've opened this topic to

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 13:50:08 Mark wrote: That's the intention and that hasn't changed. Apparently most of you seem to disagree here. Apparently i'm the only one that dislikes having an empty space shown by

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Luís Gabriel
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Aurélien Gâteau agat...@kde.org wrote: Yes, that's what I meant with If the pager is not in the default setup, then there is no need to hide it when only one vd is there. +1 -- Luís Gabriel ___ Plasma-devel

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 15:59:36 Mark wrote: I understand your reasoning, but i don't think you should do this. In my opinion a plasmoid - and certainly one that's on the panel - should never be invisible but still take up room. i think we can all agree that an empty space is a bug that

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:24:06 Mark wrote: When i brought this issue up in RB and moved it to this list i was actually expecting a reply like: Ohh, we introduced a new pager in 4.10 that occupies space without putting anything in it by default. Lets fix that asap. But there is

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:24:06 Mark wrote: When i brought this issue up in RB and moved it to this list i was actually expecting a reply like: Ohh, we introduced a new pager in 4.10 that occupies space without

Re: Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 14:29:12 Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 13:50:08 Mark wrote: That's the intention and that hasn't changed. Apparently most of you seem to disagree here. Apparently i'm the only

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Oliver Henshaw
On 12 February 2013 19:06, Shaun Reich sre...@kde.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Technical implementation aside: I think that makes absolute sense: * one vd by default * do not show pager for one vd * show pager if user uses more vds

Re: Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 14:29:12 Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 13:50:08 Mark wrote: That's the intention and that hasn't

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 15:24:49 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: but there's a pragmatic solution: hide the fucking thing when there is only one vd. Have you seen Aurelien's suggestion of adding a button to the KCM where one changes the number of virtual desktops to add the pager to the

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Marco Martin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 15:24:49 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: but there's a pragmatic solution: hide the fucking thing when there is only one vd. Have you seen Aurelien's suggestion of adding a button to the KCM where one changes the

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Marco Martin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Mark wrote: Then on to the fixing part. If you remove the pager from the default setup there is only one other way to get the pager. Adding it explicitly! So then the question becomes: if the user adds it explicitly, should the pager just be visible? Regardless

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Marco Martin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Oliver Henshaw wrote: Is it feasible to show a placeholder for the (invisible) pager when the panel is unlocked (or just when the widget explorer is open)? That would circumvent some of the problems with an invisible pager that takes up no space. technically

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 16:04:03 Marco Martin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 15:24:49 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: but there's a pragmatic solution: hide the fucking thing when there is only one vd. Have you seen Aurelien's

Re: Re: Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 15:58:15 Mark wrote: Anyway, if you need any information regarding that, please just ask. I have the setup at home and i can easily compile any patches you have for me. Best would be to try whether using KScreen improves the situation. If not get in contact with

Re: Re: Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 15:58:15 Mark wrote: Anyway, if you need any information regarding that, please just ask. I have the setup at home and i can easily compile any patches you have for me. Best would be to try

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 16:00:43 Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 15:24:49 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: but there's a pragmatic solution: hide the fucking thing when there is only one vd. Have you seen Aurelien's suggestion of adding a button to the KCM where one

Re: Re: Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 15:58:15 Mark wrote: Anyway, if you need any information regarding that, please just ask. I have the setup at home and i can easily compile any patches you have for me. Best would be to try

Re: Re: Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Mark mark...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 15:58:15 Mark wrote: Anyway, if you need any information regarding that, please just ask. I have the setup at home and i can

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 12 February 2013 15:59:36 Mark wrote: Hi, As requested, posting this on the plasma-devel mailing list. A little background information otherwise the first few lines are odd. With the KDE 4.10 release the places plasmoid is partly recreated in QML (much kudos to that!). However,

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-12 Thread Shaun Reich
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Technical implementation aside: I think that makes absolute sense: * one vd by default * do not show pager for one vd * show pager if user uses more vds i agree that showing the pager only for on vd is a bit weird.

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-12 Thread Mark
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Shaun Reich sre...@kde.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Technical implementation aside: I think that makes absolute sense: * one vd by default * do not show pager for one vd * show pager if user uses more

Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-12 Thread Mark
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Mark mark...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Shaun Reich sre...@kde.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Technical implementation aside: I think that makes absolute sense: * one vd by default

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 12 February 2013 23:55:39 Mark wrote: Why are you folks discarding my usecase completely? Not even one comment on it. My usecase is very valid, i'm having it right now as i type this mail. it's not a usecase, it's a workaround for a bug. Windows should never ever ever be opened on a

Re: Re: QML Placces design discussion

2013-02-12 Thread Mark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2013 23:55:39 Mark wrote: Why are you folks discarding my usecase completely? Not even one comment on it. My usecase is very valid, i'm having it right now as i type this mail. it's not a usecase,