Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping (pure sine ...)

2024-01-05 Thread mo
I used woot often. UPS sale today! https://computers.woot.com/plus/cyberpower-battery-backup-systems-42 On Sat, Dec 30, 2023, 17:57 Keith Lofstrom wrote: > Many laptops have some sort of stereo audio input jack. > I can imagine a resistor+capacitor kludge that > attenuates the "hot" and

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-31 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/30/23 22:43, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Interesting I have a smaller 5000k Generac, gasoline powered also. But it's old-school with the generator output directly feeding single phase 240 power. It runs at 3600rpm and the armature is a 2 pole so the formula yields 60Hz Small generator power

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
ffens Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 5:03 PM To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping On 12/30/23 16:00, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > The problem with generators is that the frequency is dependent on how > fast the rotor spins and the second you put an electrical load on A

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping (pure sine ...)

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Subject: Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping (pure sine ...) Many laptops have some sort of stereo audio input jack. I can imagine a resistor+capacitor kludge that attenuates the "hot" and "neutral" legs of a power cord down to the stereo input levels. A program on the laptop captures hot

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping (pure sine ...)

2023-12-30 Thread Keith Lofstrom
Many laptops have some sort of stereo audio input jack. I can imagine a resistor+capacitor kludge that attenuates the "hot" and "neutral" legs of a power cord down to the stereo input levels. A program on the laptop captures hot and neutral voltage waveforms, differences them, and (somehow)

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/30/23 16:00, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The problem with generators is that the frequency is dependent on how fast the rotor spins and the second you put an electrical load on A generator you increase the magnetic field resistance to the armature and the generator slows down. When the

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/30/23 15:29, Chuck Hast wrote: I am not sure you would have to check on each manufacturer, the best ones are on line double conversion the power goes through the UPS, it is rectified, the battery floats on it and the DC feeds an inverter so that the load never sees mains power. The rest of

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
then the frequency returns to normal. Ted -Original Message- From: PLUG On Behalf Of Dick Steffens Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 11:39 AM To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping On 12/30/23 09:30, Chuck Hast wrote: > Google 24v inverter there are boat lo

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 3:30 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping I am not sure you would have to check on each manufacturer, the best ones are on line double conversion the power goes through the UPS, it is rectified, the battery

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Chuck Hast
I am not sure you would have to check on each manufacturer, the best ones are on line double conversion the power goes through the UPS, it is rectified, the battery floats on it and the DC feeds an inverter so that the load never sees mains power. The rest of them are some form of standby/offline

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Dick Steffens
On 12/30/23 09:30, Chuck Hast wrote: Google 24v inverter there are boat loads of them for 24v PV systems. Ranging from 300W on up. https://www.amazon.com/24-volt-pure-sine-wave-inverter/s?k=24+volt+pure+sine+wave+inverter If you are planning on running computers and whatnot get a sine wave

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping - attention suspend?

2023-12-30 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
0, 2023 12:15 AM To: Russell Senior Cc: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org Subject: Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping - attention suspend? On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 02:36:00AM -0800, Russell Senior wrote: ... UPS ... > Does anyone have recent experience, either positive or negative, > and/or any advice on r

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-30 Thread Chuck Hast
Google 24v inverter there are boat loads of them for 24v PV systems. Ranging from 300W on up. https://www.amazon.com/24-volt-pure-sine-wave-inverter/s?k=24+volt+pure+sine+wave+inverter If you are planning on running computers and whatnot get a sine wave inverter, many switched PSU's do not like

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping - attention suspend?

2023-12-30 Thread Ben Koenig
On Saturday, December 30th, 2023 at 12:15 AM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > ... > > A nearer term goal is to replace all the hard drives in the > house with Samsung terabyte SSDs. My test machines suspend > to SSD in less than two seconds, and reboot in ten. > Suspend doesn't save to your SSD.

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping - attention suspend?

2023-12-30 Thread Keith Lofstrom
On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 02:36:00AM -0800, Russell Senior wrote: ... UPS ... > Does anyone have recent experience, either positive or negative, and/or > any advice on replacements. I'd consider a used older model. Since computation equals dodopaddle (er "smart phone") for most of My Fellow

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-29 Thread Neal
There are plenty of 24 volt input inverters available, typically for commercial trucks. NealS

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-29 Thread Tomas Kuchta
On Fri, Dec 29, 2023, 12:00 Michael Ewan wrote: > A related question for rolling your own UPS, I have two 12V sealed lead > acid batteries that I recently replaced ($200) in my mother-in-laws scooter > which she is no longer able to use. The battery unit for the scooter is > removable and is

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-29 Thread Bill Barry
On Fri, Dec 29, 2023, 11:00 AM Michael Ewan wrote: > A related question for rolling your own UPS, I have two 12V sealed lead > acid batteries that I recently replaced ($200) in my mother-in-laws scooter > which she is no longer able to use. The battery unit for the scooter is > removable and is

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-29 Thread Michael Ewan
A related question for rolling your own UPS, I have two 12V sealed lead acid batteries that I recently replaced ($200) in my mother-in-laws scooter which she is no longer able to use. The battery unit for the scooter is removable and is 24V (the two batteries in series) with a trickle charger,

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-29 Thread Rich Shepard
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023, Russell Senior wrote: The long-and-short of the matter is that I'm now in the market for a replacement UPS. The old one was a pretty old APC Smart-UPS 1000, probably 20-ish years old and had seen numerous battery replacements. Does anyone have recent experience, either

Re: [PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-29 Thread Russell Senior
Out of my price range, but: https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-SMART1000RM2UL-UPS/dp/B07VDQ7TZV On 12/29/23 02:36, Russell Senior wrote: Hi folks, This isn't strictly a Linux question, but since it is to power a Linux machine (or several) I think it is probably close enough. I have several

[PLUG] UPS shopping

2023-12-29 Thread Russell Senior
Hi folks, This isn't strictly a Linux question, but since it is to power a Linux machine (or several) I think it is probably close enough. I have several Uninterruptible Power Supplies scattered around the house. A week or so ago, one of them started beeping at me a few times a day to let me