Re: [PLUG] Problem with Google Earth Install

2018-12-06 Thread wes
Would you be able to take a screenshot, or even take a picture with a phone
or camera, and post that up somewhere for us to see?

>From your description I can tell that something super weird is going on,
but I can't really get a good sense of it without seeing it.

BTW, your post went through :)

-wes

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:37 PM Michael Barnes  wrote:

> Once again I shall try to post this to the group. Even if you have no
> answer, I'd at least appreciate some acknowledgement that this message
> actually went out.
>
> I am trying to install Google Earth on my Ubuntu desktop computer. I
> downloaded the google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb file. Per
> instructions I found on the Internet, I did
>
> $ sudo dpkg -i ./google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb
> $ sudo apt-get install -f
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ sudo apt-get upgrade
>
> then exited the terminal and went to "Search Your Computer", searched for
> Google, clicked on Google Earth Pro and it started up. The problem is, the
> window has my desktop in it with the earth display in a little window in
> the upper left corner. I've tried the various on-line helps and don't even
> know for sure how to describe the issue. I have removed and reinstalled
> with the same results. I'm guessing there is something wrong with my
> installation procedure. I don't do this very often.
>
> Thanks for any ideas,
> Michael
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[PLUG] Problem with Google Earth Install

2018-12-06 Thread Michael Barnes
Once again I shall try to post this to the group. Even if you have no
answer, I'd at least appreciate some acknowledgement that this message
actually went out.

I am trying to install Google Earth on my Ubuntu desktop computer. I
downloaded the google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb file. Per
instructions I found on the Internet, I did

$ sudo dpkg -i ./google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb
$ sudo apt-get install -f
$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get upgrade

then exited the terminal and went to "Search Your Computer", searched for
Google, clicked on Google Earth Pro and it started up. The problem is, the
window has my desktop in it with the earth display in a little window in
the upper left corner. I've tried the various on-line helps and don't even
know for sure how to describe the issue. I have removed and reinstalled
with the same results. I'm guessing there is something wrong with my
installation procedure. I don't do this very often.

Thanks for any ideas,
Michael
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Re: [PLUG] Test Post

2018-12-06 Thread wes
I do see a post from you last night regarding Google Earth. But as you
said, it was hijacking an announcement thread so not likely to get a lot of
attention. I recommend you attempt again to start a new thread on it.

-wes

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 3:29 PM Michael Barnes  wrote:

> You say both my attempts to post succeeded? Is that referring to my posts
> concerning Google Earth?
>
> Sorry for top posting. My phone does not seem to allow me to bottom post.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 11:08 Richard Owlett 
> > On 12/06/2018 12:16 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > > Once again, attempting to originate a post to this list. I would
> > appreciate
> > > an acknowledgement if anyone sees this message.
> > >
> >
> > Copy sent to Michael Barnes.
> >
> > Both your attempts to post succeeded.
> >
> > I've seen reports of people not being able to read their own posts to a
> > list. Does that describe your case?
> >
> > I'm *NOT* a gmail user. IIRC the is a gmail setting covering that.
> > I use a paid email service and experienced a similar problem. In my
> > case, the provider's filter tended to suspect that mail to be spam if
> > from and to addresses appeared to be the same. What was required was
> > white listing the URL of the mailing list (i.e. pdlinux.org).
> >
> > My problems were a few years ago and involved a different different
> > list. I don't recall having the problem with this list.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Test Post

2018-12-06 Thread Michael Barnes
You say both my attempts to post succeeded? Is that referring to my posts
concerning Google Earth?

Sorry for top posting. My phone does not seem to allow me to bottom post.

Thanks,
Michael


On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 11:08 Richard Owlett  On 12/06/2018 12:16 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > Once again, attempting to originate a post to this list. I would
> appreciate
> > an acknowledgement if anyone sees this message.
> >
>
> Copy sent to Michael Barnes.
>
> Both your attempts to post succeeded.
>
> I've seen reports of people not being able to read their own posts to a
> list. Does that describe your case?
>
> I'm *NOT* a gmail user. IIRC the is a gmail setting covering that.
> I use a paid email service and experienced a similar problem. In my
> case, the provider's filter tended to suspect that mail to be spam if
> from and to addresses appeared to be the same. What was required was
> white listing the URL of the mailing list (i.e. pdlinux.org).
>
> My problems were a few years ago and involved a different different
> list. I don't recall having the problem with this list.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] LibreOffice Writer: delete character

2018-12-06 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:


To save I use Ctrl-s. Ctrl-Shift-s is Save As. Those seem to be pretty
standard in all programs.


  Yep.


This bit of confusion was caused by a LO documentation error - it should
have listed Ctrl-d, not Ctrl-D. And looking at the assignment
possibilities, I see that Ctrl-Shift-D is defined as Right-to-Left, not
Right-Align. Ctrl-Delete is Delete to End of Word, and Ctrl-Shift-Delete
is Delete to End of Line. This is typical; Ctrl+[some key] does one thing,
while Ctrl-Shift+[some key] does the same thing but going a little
further, e.g., Ctrl-v is Paste and Ctrl-Shift-v is Paste Special.


  And, if you look again you'll see there's no 'delete next character' which
is what most editors (and other applications) assign to ctrl-d.

Regards,

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] LibreOffice Writer: delete character

2018-12-06 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 11:34:29 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard  dijo:

>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
>> I have LO 5.1.6.2 on Xubuntu 16.04, and it lists Ctrl-D, but not
>> Ctrl-d, defining it as double underline.  

>Official LO docs show the default for ctrl-D as double underline. As I
>wrote, here there is no definition for Ctrl-D or Ctrl-d. The keyboard
>shortdut lists has all uppercase letters. When you save a document to
>you use Ctrl-Shift-S or just ctrl-s?

To save I use Ctrl-s. Ctrl-Shift-s is Save As. Those seem to be pretty
standard in all programs.

It just dawned on me that to do Ctrl-D I had to hold down the Shift key
at the same time as the Ctrl key, and that is, indeed, defined as a
separate keypress in the list of options for keyboard assignments. This
bit of confusion was caused by a LO documentation error - it should
have listed Ctrl-d, not Ctrl-D. And looking at the assignment
possibilities, I see that Ctrl-Shift-D is defined as Right-to-Left, not
Right-Align. Ctrl-Delete is Delete to End of Word, and
Ctrl-Shift-Delete is Delete to End of Line. This is typical; Ctrl+[some
key] does one thing, while Ctrl-Shift+[some key] does the same thing
but going a little further, e.g., Ctrl-v is Paste and Ctrl-Shift-v is
Paste Special.
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Re: [PLUG] UPDATED PLUG Meeting: Rapid web application development with Angular

2018-12-06 Thread Richard England
Perhaps, but the address I see on the mail "From:"  is 
barnmich...@gmail.com  which lead to my observation and my experience 
with gmail.


~~R

On 12/6/18 10:34 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, Richard England wrote:


CC: yourself on your messages, Michael. Gmail will not send email to you
if you are the originator of the message.


  But it should send mail he originates to a mail list since the 
bounce is

from the list, not gmail.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] LibreOffice Writer: delete character

2018-12-06 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:


I have LO 5.1.6.2 on Xubuntu 16.04, and it lists Ctrl-D, but not
Ctrl-d, defining it as double underline.


John,

  Doesn't matter if it is shown with an uppercase D or a lowercase d; press
and hold the ctrl key while pressing the d/D key. No shift key involved.


Actually, it does not list any of the lowercase letters with Ctrl, only
the uppercase letters. I selected a word, then used Ctrl-d, and it gave
the word double underlining, even though the d was lowercase. Then I tried
Ctrl-D and it right-aligned the whole line, the same as Ctrl-r. This is
very strange. Fortunately, I rarely use either function, and if I do I use
the mouse on the Formatting toolbar, so I'm not highly motivated to sleuth
out the cause. Still, I am curiositized as to why Ctrl-D is defined as one
thing but does another.


  Official LO docs show the default for ctrl-D as double underline. As I
wrote, here there is no definition for Ctrl-D or Ctrl-d. The keyboard
shortdut lists has all uppercase letters. When you save a document to you
use Ctrl-Shift-S or just ctrl-s?

  Those of us who use writing tools such as emacs, vim, joe, and LaTeX are
used to the emacs key shortcuts which use ctrl-d to delete the character
immediately right of the cursor (called the 'point' in emacs). Not being
able to assign that function to ctrl-d in LO Writer is frustrating. (As is
LO moving lines to the left margin when I have indented them two spaces.)

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] centos/rhel 7 ttyUSB group ownership with FTDI adapter

2018-12-06 Thread Johnathan Mantey
You may want to add something like this to a udev rule:

KERNEL=="ttyUSB[0-9]*",GROUP="dialout",MODE="0660"

You may also like to do something like this (probably won't work for FTDI
knockoffs):
SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="FTDI_TTL232R-3V3_FTF89IVR",
SYMLINK+="myCoolUSBDevName"

You can add yourself to the "dialout" group in /etc/groups.  Logout, and
login, and check your group access via 'id'.

Use 'udevadm' magic to get the FTDI serial string.  I leave that research
to your favorite search engine.

Once all of this is done you can use '/dev/myCoolUSBDevName' to refer to
the USB device.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 3:45 PM Ben Koenig  wrote:

> Even if you removed your custom rules, there might still be a default rule
> that triggers for that device.
> Maybe try searching through the config files in rules.d for the
> vendor:product IDs of that particular adapter.
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:32 PM Galen Seitz  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > When I connect a Prolific-based USB serial adapter to my CentOS 7
> > machine, the corresponding ttyUSB device has dialout group ownership.
> >
> > [root@toto ~]# ls -l /dev/ttyUSB*
> > crw-rw. 1 root dialout 188, 0 Nov 26 14:15 /dev/ttyUSB0
> >
> > However, when I connect an FTDI-based serial adapter, the device has
> > root group ownership.
> >
> > [root@toto ~]# ls -l /dev/ttyUSB*
> > crw-rw. 1 root dialout 188, 0 Nov 26 14:15 /dev/ttyUSB0
> > crw-rw+ 1 root root188, 1 Nov 26 14:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
> >
> > Note the trailing '+' on the permissions.  It appears something is
> > setting up an ACL, but only for the FTDI.
> >
> > [root@toto ~]# getfacl /dev/ttyUSB1
> > getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names
> > # file: dev/ttyUSB1
> > # owner: root
> > # group: root
> > user::rw-
> > user:galens:rw-
> > group::rw-
> > mask::rw-
> > other::---
> >
> > The ACL suggests that I should have rw access, but kermit can't open the
> > port.
> >
> > Note that I removed all of my custom udev rules and ran udevadm control
> > --reload-rules before performing this test.
> >
> > I can sudo to workaround the problem, but I shouldn't have to.  Any
> > ideas as to what is going on?
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] LibreOffice Writer: delete character

2018-12-06 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 10:32:19 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard  dijo:

>   In my installation it's undefined. Pressing it does nothing. In the
>keyboard shortcut assignment list there is no definition for it and
>the many choices of actions do not include that of the Del key.

I have LO 5.1.6.2 on Xubuntu 16.04, and it lists Ctrl-D, but not
Ctrl-d, defining it as double underline. Actually, it does not list any
of the lowercase letters with Ctrl, only the uppercase letters. I
selected a word, then used Ctrl-d, and it gave the word double
underlining, even though the d was lowercase. Then I tried Ctrl-D and
it right-aligned the whole line, the same as Ctrl-r. This is very
strange. Fortunately, I rarely use either function, and if I do I
use the mouse on the Formatting toolbar, so I'm not highly motivated
to sleuth out the cause. Still, I am curiositized as to why Ctrl-D is
defined as one thing but does another.
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Re: [PLUG] Test Post

2018-12-06 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/06/2018 12:16 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:

Once again, attempting to originate a post to this list. I would appreciate
an acknowledgement if anyone sees this message.



Copy sent to Michael Barnes.

Both your attempts to post succeeded.

I've seen reports of people not being able to read their own posts to a 
list. Does that describe your case?


I'm *NOT* a gmail user. IIRC the is a gmail setting covering that.
I use a paid email service and experienced a similar problem. In my 
case, the provider's filter tended to suspect that mail to be spam if 
from and to addresses appeared to be the same. What was required was 
white listing the URL of the mailing list (i.e. pdlinux.org).


My problems were a few years ago and involved a different different 
list. I don't recall having the problem with this list.


HTH




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Re: [PLUG] UPDATED PLUG Meeting: Rapid web application development with Angular

2018-12-06 Thread Roderick Anderson

Michael,

You should check your Sent folder.

I believe Mailman scrubs the To: of the originator's address.


Rod
--
On 12/6/18 10:22 AM, Richard England wrote:
CC: yourself on your messages, Michael.  Gmail will not send email to 
you if you are the originator of the message.



On 12/6/18 10:13 AM, Michael Barnes wrote:
On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 9:30 PM Michael Dexter  
wrote:



On 12/5/18 8:59 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:

Sorry to hijack a thread, but I have been trying for some time to post
about a problem trying to install Google Earth on my Ubuntu desktop
computer. It appears I cannot originate a post to this forum. Is 
there a
moderator or someone who can find what I was trying to post and 
advise me

of the error of my ways?

This post appears to be successful. What do you see otherwise?

Michael Dexter
PLUG Volunteer


I seem to be able to reply to an existing thread. However, any message I
originate to the list never seems to show up. I will attempt again to
originate a message.

  Michael
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Re: [PLUG] Test Post

2018-12-06 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, Michael Barnes wrote:


Once again, attempting to originate a post to this list. I would appreciate
an acknowledgement if anyone sees this message.


  Yep.

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Re: [PLUG] UPDATED PLUG Meeting: Rapid web application development with Angular

2018-12-06 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, Richard England wrote:


CC: yourself on your messages, Michael. Gmail will not send email to you
if you are the originator of the message.


  But it should send mail he originates to a mail list since the bounce is
from the list, not gmail.

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Re: [PLUG] UPDATED PLUG Meeting: Rapid web application development with Angular

2018-12-06 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, Michael Barnes wrote:


I seem to be able to reply to an existing thread. However, any message I
originate to the list never seems to show up. I will attempt again to
originate a message.


Michael,

  I'd look at your gmail configuration. It's likely that the issue is there.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] LibreOffice Writer: delete character

2018-12-06 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, Tomas K wrote:


Ctrl-d is EOF - I'd be careful here.


Tomas,

  In my installation it's undefined. Pressing it does nothing. In the
keyboard shortcut assignment list there is no definition for it and the many
choices of actions do not include that of the Del key.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] LibreOffice Writer: delete character

2018-12-06 Thread Tomas K
Ctrl-d is EOF - I'd be careful here.

On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 09:29 -0800, Rich Shepard wrote:
>    In LibreOffice-6.1.2, Tools -> Configure -> Keyboard allows user-
> assigned
> actions to Ctrl-D for deleting everything but a single character. Is
> there a
> way to assign the same function as the Del key to Ctrl-d?
> 
> TIA,
> 
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Re: [PLUG] UPDATED PLUG Meeting: Rapid web application development with Angular

2018-12-06 Thread Richard England
CC: yourself on your messages, Michael.  Gmail will not send email to 
you if you are the originator of the message.



On 12/6/18 10:13 AM, Michael Barnes wrote:

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 9:30 PM Michael Dexter  wrote:


On 12/5/18 8:59 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:

Sorry to hijack a thread, but I have been trying for some time to post
about a problem trying to install Google Earth on my Ubuntu desktop
computer. It appears I cannot originate a post to this forum. Is there a
moderator or someone who can find what I was trying to post and advise me
of the error of my ways?

This post appears to be successful. What do you see otherwise?

Michael Dexter
PLUG Volunteer


I seem to be able to reply to an existing thread. However, any message I
originate to the list never seems to show up. I will attempt again to
originate a message.

  Michael
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Re: [PLUG] Test Post

2018-12-06 Thread Dick Steffens

On 12/6/18 10:16 AM, Michael Barnes wrote:

Once again, attempting to originate a post to this list. I would appreciate
an acknowledgement if anyone sees this message.


Came through here.

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Dick Steffens

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[PLUG] Test Post

2018-12-06 Thread Michael Barnes
Once again, attempting to originate a post to this list. I would appreciate
an acknowledgement if anyone sees this message.


Thank you,
Michael
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Re: [PLUG] UPDATED PLUG Meeting: Rapid web application development with Angular

2018-12-06 Thread Michael Barnes
On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 9:30 PM Michael Dexter  wrote:

> On 12/5/18 8:59 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:
> > Sorry to hijack a thread, but I have been trying for some time to post
> > about a problem trying to install Google Earth on my Ubuntu desktop
> > computer. It appears I cannot originate a post to this forum. Is there a
> > moderator or someone who can find what I was trying to post and advise me
> > of the error of my ways?
>
> This post appears to be successful. What do you see otherwise?
>
> Michael Dexter
> PLUG Volunteer
>

I seem to be able to reply to an existing thread. However, any message I
originate to the list never seems to show up. I will attempt again to
originate a message.

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Re: [PLUG] posting

2018-12-06 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, Mary Streifel wrote:


I would like the ability to post to this list.


Mary,

  Since this message appears on the mail list it demonstrates that you have
this ability.

Welcome,

Rich
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[PLUG] posting

2018-12-06 Thread Mary Streifel

Hello,

I would like the ability to post to this list.

Thank you,

Mary

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[PLUG] TONIGHT! PLUG Meeting: Rapid web application development with Angular

2018-12-06 Thread Michael Dexter


Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement

Who: Nathan Brenner
What: Rapid web application development with Angular
Where: PSU, 1930 SW 4th Ave. Room FAB 86-01 (Lower Level)
When: Thursday, December 6th, 2018 at 7pm
Why: The pursuit of technology freedom
Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live


Rapid web application development with Angular: Catch a glimpse of what 
a full stack web application looks like that is built with open source 
resources like Angular, NgRx, GraphQL, and AWS Amplify. A lot has 
changed since the version of Javascript changed in 2015. Open source 
client side frameworks have dramatically changed to provide 
opportunities to build large client side applications that are 
performant while also cloud infrastructure has made scaling javascript 
possible with the availability of powerful tools without investing in 
expensive servers.


About the Speaker

Nathan Brenner is a self-taught full slack web application engineer, 
currently as a contractor at Nike. He’s worked on a range of small to 
enterprise level projects over the past 4 years, covering grounds such 
as but not limited to Angular and React on the client side. Prior to 
working in software, he worked in public education for several years and 
has degrees from the University of Nevada, Reno and Portland State 
University.



Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250474666

Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 1945 NW Quimby St. after the meeting.

Rideshares to the Lucky Lab available

PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its 
mailing lists or at its meetings.


PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/
Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux

Michael Dexter
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[PLUG] LibreOffice Writer: delete character

2018-12-06 Thread Rich Shepard

  In LibreOffice-6.1.2, Tools -> Configure -> Keyboard allows user-assigned
actions to Ctrl-D for deleting everything but a single character. Is there a
way to assign the same function as the Del key to Ctrl-d?

TIA,

Rich
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