Re: [PLUG] [ot]. laptop queries.

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

Hi,

A G wrote:
 i would like to buy a laptop.
 can anyone tell me the dealer/shop where i can get a
 good bargain?
 my budget is 25K.

That would mean that you are looking at the following options:

[1] IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads (Celeron)
[2] Zenith
[3] Xenitis
[4] Millenium (probably)

Best to stay off Celeron (they are seriously underpowered), if you want
to do some multimedia (watch DVD etc) on it

 and requirements are that it should work with ubuntu
 linux and i should be able to connect to net using
 mobile.

For a bit above your budget (say till 32K) you will get nice models from
Acer (Travelmate) and HP-Compaq (possibly) which are sturdy and powered
enough to help get the jobs done. They seem to work fairly well on
Ubuntu (depends sometimes whether you are on stable or unstable) and the
mobile connection to net (GSM, Bluetooth, Reliance) should work fine.

Regards
Sankarshan

ps: Acer has a better sound though


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Re: [PLUG] abt companies working on linux

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Amit Chakote wrote:

 I am B.E. CS graduate. i had done my final year project on linux at
 system level.
 
 I am interseted to work in companies working on linux. Can any one
 help me..Please tell me if you can give me any ref.

A goodly number of *Linux* companies exist in India. Depends on what
exactly you are targetting. Beginning from Wipro, Patni, Codito,
Netcore, Exocore, DeeprootLinux, NeoLinux Solutions, NetShooter,
LinkAxis etc to the surprising ones like IBM, Accenture, Lucent, Freescale

How do you want to go about it ?

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Re: [PLUG] b/w monitoring in linux

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paavan shah wrote:

 I am currently looking for a bandwidth monitoring tool for my network.
 All hosts connect to the internet through a linux box.
 I want to install b/w monitoring tool on the box and i dnt want
 anything to be installed on the host machine.
 
 The requirement is as below:
 1)Monitor bandwidth used by each host
 2)I do not want to use SNMP based tools for querying.
 3)If possible the tool should be run from a text console.I dont want
 any GTK or X windows based tool.

Depending upon your distribution and your keen nature - iptraf or vnstat ?

Rgds
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Re: [PLUG] Call for Speakers

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Hi,

Rohan Dighe wrote:

 Open Souce how to modify the code and see it work (possibly a demo)
 IT in Defence or use of Open Source in Defence.
 Opportunities for software engineers in networking.
 Ethical Hacking or Network Security tools in linux, etc.
 Upcoming trends in IT (possible comparison of various upcoming trends
 like Java, JSP, PHP, AJAX, RUBY)
 Artificial Intelligence
 Open Source in Business or how to make money in open source!

I can take up the last one - can you be a bit more specific about the
dates ?

:Sankarshan

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Re: [PLUG] Re:Setting up Tataindicom broadband on Fedora core 6

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mantesh bubanale wrote:

 Can anybody guide me for Setting up TataIndicom broadband on Fedora core 6

Haven't set up Tata Indicom but normally the idea remains the same
across ISPs. They give you a modem/router and this connects to your
PC/laptop through the ethernet port. The modem/router might be
configured to give out DHCP IPs in case of unlimited connection plans
then it is as simple as switching it on, plugging in the network cable
and booting the PC (or restarting the network services).

In case of limited plan, the command /sbin/ifup ppp0 is normally used to
get the interface up. This would be done after you setup the connection
(a one time affair) using adsl-setup (as root) from the console.

Either way you might need some nameserver entries in your
/etc/resolv.conf so would be good to check out the OpenDNS nameserver
IPs eg your /etc/resolv.conf might just look like:

# OpenDNS blocks

nameserver 208.67.222.222
nameserver 208.67.220.220

:Sankarshan

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Re: [PLUG] Re:Setting up Tataindicom broadband on Fedora core 6

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Nishit Dave wrote:
 Please download the rp-pppoe client from Roaring Penguin
 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe).  Unzip the .tar.gz archive to a
 folder on your disk and run the go-gui script.

Just for the record - it does the same thing as what adsl-setup does but
all this is relevant only when Mantesh has the requirement to ifup ppp0,
else a DHCP from the modem/router should work fine

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Re: [PLUG] Open Office in Government

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Pramukh Pracharak - Grahak Raja Jaga Ho wrote:
 Hello Mr. Anand Kulkarni
 
 I read your post regarding Open Office in Government Organisations.
 And I fully agree with you that government should not spend public money for
 purchasing MS Office Licenses when Open Office is available for free.
 
 We are running a Non Government Organisation 'Grahak Raja Jaga Ho' working
 in the field of consumer awareness  awareness about Right to Information
 Act.
 
 'Grahak Raja Jaha Ho' is ready to take your issue seriously  I find
 following plan to force government organisations to use Open Office.

If you think that OpenOffice.org's Marketing Team can be of help, please
visit marketing.openoffice.org

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Re: [PLUG] Re: Open Office in Government

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Kunal Thakar wrote:

 On a related note, CDAC Chennai has come up with a new Ubuntu based distro
 called BOSS specifically tailored for Indian  languages.  I didn't see
 inbuilt marathi support.
 http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/12/1631206
 http://bosslinux.in/

Ahh but you might try the latest Fedora and check the Marathi support there.
On a completely side note, the OpenOffice.org Community Manager has a
nice article on the case for ODF (Open Document Format) in the current
issue of LFY

:Sankarshan

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Re: Fwd: [PLUG] Ubuntu edgy

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Nishit Dave wrote:
Another irritating aspect was the way sub-levels of the
 start menu take up the whole screen, and fonts need to be tweaked in all
 distros except Ubuntu to keep eyes from watering.

Hinting settings ?

:Sankarshan


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Re: [PLUG] FOSS essentials workshops?

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G Karunakar wrote:
 Hi all,
 came across this
 http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=FOSS_Essentials_Training_2007
 
 maybe PLUG could do something like this...1-2 day event, with some
 cover charge for participants to cover costs (food, logistics etc)..
 with some org. sponsoring a venue.
 Earlier PLUG used to do Linux awareness courses.. donno whats the
 status of it now.

There's a nascent outpost of FSF in Pune who are planning to hold the
same. Joining of forces might be in order

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Re: [PLUG] Linux Distro ?

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Prashant Mahajan wrote:

 i was wondering which linux distro might be suited for use in a Cafe?
 Someone told me Ubuntu cant be used as its not free to use for commercial
 purpose.

Who so ever told you that must have meant one thing and managed to
convey an entirely different thing altogether. Use a distribution that
you would be comfortable with (if you are going to manage/support it) or
the folks who manage it find that it meets a large part of their needs.

By the way, what are the demands on an OS in terms of a UseCase ie what
do folks use the OS for ?

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[OT] FSF Pune Group [was:Re: [PLUG] http://badvista.fsf.org]

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manoj mahajan wrote:
 Interesting site, please have a look
 http://badvista.fsf.org

On a completely different track, there's a FSF group in Pune now with a
mailing list at http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-pune

Siddharthya is the coordinator for the group.

:Sankarshan


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Re: [PLUG] Video extraction tools ?

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Sriram Narayanan wrote:

 Any tips on which tools I could use ?

http://web.gnuer.org/blog/archives/49-creating-clips-with-mencoder.html

and perhaps you can read http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html



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[PLUG] [COMMERCIAL] Language Maintainer - Marathi position at Red Hat (Pune)

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Division:   Red Hat
Location:   Pune, India IN
Travel Involved:0-10%
Job Type:   Full Time
Job Level:  2+ years experience
Education:  Bachelors Degree or Equivalent
Category:   Engineering

Position Summary: Translates, develops, and edits content for software
localization, paper, multimedia or web-based publications.

Essential Duties and Responsibilities:

* Translate message catalogs into native language for both Red Hat
and selected Open Source software.
* Translate manuals and other print media and web content that form
part of Red Hat's products and services.
* Participate in software quality assurance activities focused on
internationalization and localization for respective native language.
* Manage tickets for translation activities; including responding to
requester, tracking progress, and finalizing deliverables.
* Participate in-house training activities with the goal to achieve
RHCT Certification.
* Participate in weekly team meetings and coordinate activities with
Manager.
* Other duties may be assigned.

 Minimum Qualifications: To perform this job successfully, an individual
must be able to perform each essential duty satisfactorily. The
requirements listed below are representative of the knowledge, skill,
and/or ability required.

* Education/Experience: Bachelors Degree majoring in Information
Technology or Computer Science or Arts/Languages or equivalent
combination of education and experience.
* Language Ability: Ability to read and interpret technical
documents. Ability to translate both technical and non-technical
information into native language. Ability to write routine reports and
correspondence. Minimum translation speed required for this role is 250
words per hour.
* Computer Skills: Familiar with word processing, email, and other
Internet applications.

Please send CVs in Open Document Format with [Language Maintainer -
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Re: [PLUG] Sound card problem on FC3

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Yogesh Hasabnis wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I am struggling with the installation of a sound card that comes in-built  
 with a Lenovo desktop. The machine is configured for dual-boot with 
 WinXP/FC3. The sound card identifies itself as SoundMAX Integrated Digital 
 HD Audio in WinXP. After searching on the net I found that I need to load 
 the snd_hda_intel module for enabling the card in Linux. But this module 
 doesn't seem to beavailable for the kernel that comes with FC3. 
 
 Can anybody kindly suggest as to what can be done to resolve this problem?

Given the age of the distribution you are trying with, one would
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Re: [PLUG] [OT] software testing - Automation tools

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Nishit Dave wrote:

 It is a desktop UI based on the Eclipse RCP.
 What do they have to say about commercial tools like:
 Silktest
 Rational Robot
 WinRunner
 AccordSQA

Good - but unless the operational cost bits are discussed they might
turn out to be an overkill. Plus, the above are Functional and
Regression testing tools which per se does not fit with the question below.

 has anybody heard of FIT?

The Framework for Integrated Test ? What about it ?
http://fit.c2.com/wiki.cgi?FitTools has some stuff. The questions look
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[PLUG] [Fwd: [ilugd] [CROSS-POST] freed.in 2007 call for papers]

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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:23:43 +0530
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Freedel is now freed.in!  Paper submissions are now open, please see
bottom of mail for URL's.

freed.in - New Delhi 2007 - September 28-29

freed.in isn't just a Linux conference. It is a technical conference
about Free Software and related topics, held annually in New Delhi. We
invite submissions on any Free Software related subject; from Linux
and the BSDs to OpenOffice.org, from networking to audio-visual magic,
from deep hacks to Creative Commons. Important dates

  * Submissions open: July 15, 2007
  * Submission deadline: August 13, 2007
  * Email notifications from review committee: August 20, 2007
  * Conference begins: September 28, 2007

Presentations being accepted

We are accepting proposals for two different types of presentation:
you can submit a proposal for a talk or a tutorial. If in doubt, you
want to submit a talk proposal rather than a tutorial proposal.

Call for Papers

Talks are the main part of the conference: a series of presentations
on Free Software related subjects. This year there will be 20-30
presentations. Presenters will be given a 50 minute slot, which
includes up to 10 minutes for questions.

The main programme also has 8 tutorial slots. Tutorials are longer and
more interactive presentations, with slots lasting for 160 minutes,
giving the speaker time to interact with the audience. Proposals for
tutorials should be clear about the level of expertise required of the
audience.

Most presentations and tutorials will be technical in nature, but
proposals for presentations on other aspects of Free Software and Free
Culture, such as educational and cultural aspects are welcome.

Topics

Submissions related to the following topics are welcome:

  * General Papers (very strict accept policy!)
  * System Administration
  * Collaboration and Communication
  * Scientific and Research Tools
  * Native Language Computing
  * Legal Aspects of FLOSS

The main site for the conference:

http://freed.in/

Conference registration and paper submission site:

http://conf.freed.in/

Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any questions.

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Re: [PLUG] Hathway Internet On Fedora Core 6 Linux

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Nishant Shrivastava wrote:
 Hi,
   I have recently installed Fedore Core 6 on my system. I am having
 Hathway Broadband Cable Internet Connection. They have given me a
 static IP , Netmask , Gateway and DNS IPs. I just have to plug in
 the LAN cable in the NIC card of my notebook and after putting the
 IP configuration it works fine on Windows OS but when i am doing the
 same on Linux OS , its not working. I have used GNOME GUI and even
 ifconfig command also but nothing seems to work. Kindly help me.

Possibly a route(ing) issue ? Can you see if the route -n output has the
proper gateway bits ? Else a man route would help you how to add the
default gateway while ifconfig should allow you to set the other bits
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Re: [PLUG] Hathway Internet On Fedora Core 6 Linux

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Anurag Tambe wrote:

   leave fedora and start using Mandriva 2007.0 its lot easier to use
 and configure.

Umm.. without actually planning to start a distribution war here, but
the off-the-cuff replies to issues in the form of Dump distribution X
and use Y is kind of self defeating. Consider the situation, Nishant
has from his ISP a static IP, netmask, gateway IPs and nameserver bits.
For any distribution (not limited to Linux) that's more than enough to
get a connection going. It appears from Nishant's mail that the query is
more about what do I have to do next rather than damn this Fedora
thing so sucks, tell me another distribution that can get me on the
internet

On the other hand, you are entitled to your opinion though ;)


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Re: [PLUG] Hathway Internet On Fedora Core 6 Linux

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Nishant Shrivastava wrote:

 My routing table doesn't show any gateway but the thing is what i
 should enter in the forst column of the route command and i am even not
 able to enter the gatewau thru route..gets some error..my gateway IP is
 60.243.32.1 http://60.243.32.1 and my for eg is 60.x.y.zi have
 used ifconfig eth0 to assign my IP to my NIC card...netmask is
 255.255.252.0..now how can i enter the gateway ip in routing table

Ok, so here's the deal : system-config-network (or neat) as a root user
should allow you to edit the properties of your ethernet card. Selecting
the ethernet card, and clicking on edit should give you tabs named
General, Route and Hardware Device. Click the button to Statically
set the IP address and then input the data you have. Save the
configuration settings and quit. Restart the network service. Do a route
- -n to check if the gateway bits are proper. Edit (use your favorite
editor other than OpenOffice.org Writer) the file /etc/resolve.conf to
see if the DNS IPs are properly set. If not set them in the file. Try to
ping the gateway, then ping the DNS and thereon any external site.

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Re: [PLUG] HELP FOR BE PROJECT

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[cc:-ing Vipin since I don't know whether he's subscribed to the list or
was it a moderator approval]

You do need to figure out a way to get Hotmail to format your mail body
a bit sensibly, it was the QuickQuote extension of Thunderbird that
allowed me to respond by quoting your mail (the alternative would have
been a huge single liner)

On 08/02/2007 Vipin Solanki wrote:
 Hello guys,This is my first mail to this mailing list. I am a 
 BE-Computer Student and I am having some problems with my BE Project. 
 My group members and myself(total=4) want to make a project in Linux. 
 But the problem is we don't know anything about Linux. I mean we have 
 it installed on our pcs, but don't know anything about working in 
 Linux. We studied about some project ideas from Proceedings of Linux 
 Symposium but whatever we chose was rejected or was not feasible at 
 BE level. We also don't have a guide for our project.So I am asking 
 for help. If any of you guys are interested in giving project of BE 
 level or ready to be our guide, then please reply. We are really 
 confused and down at this time. So any kind of help will be 
 appreciated.Thank you.Vipin SolankiBE-COMPMAE

I get to hear this query often and the only thing I am sorely tempted to
ask is - step back and forget about Linux (for a moment). How good are
your fundamental programming skills ? Do you feel confident about your
C/C++ skills ? Or, perhaps you are competent in languages like Perl,
Python etc (Java even) ? If you are nodding assent to the queries, then
look around for projects that fit in with your BE level feasibility (I
don't really know what that means). I refer to existing projects in the
Free and Open Source world. While you are at it, I'd gently suggest that
you do a quick read through Producing Open Source Software
(producingoss.com) which will provide you an insight into how things
work in the Free and Open Source (FOSS) world, which might be a trifle
bit different from the methodology you are accustomed to.

:Sankarshan

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[PLUG] [COMMERCIAL] Software Engineer openings at Red Hat (Pune)

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Red Hat has multiple openings for Software Engineers at Pune.

Provided below are the job descriptions along with TAGs which should be
used in $SUBJECT line of the application.

Please ensure that you provide the CV in Open Document Format (ODF) to
sankar {at} redhat {dot} com and jrajopad {at} redhat {dot} com.

For both the openings participation in existing Free and Open Source
projects would be an added advantage.

* Sr Software Engineer (SrSWENGG)

Software engineer with a strong technical background to ensure the
reliability of Red Hat products and services. The primary focus will be
to solicit and prioritize detailed feature requests to support software
portfolios running within the larger Red Hat Enterprise Linux ecosystem.
An ideal candidate would have demonstrated people, project management
experience and excellent communication skills. Other skills include
software skills to develop the test environment, create test automation,
execute functional tests, deliver in depth defect reports

Required Skills:

Knowledge of Standards and Guidelines pertaining to the following:

+ FHS
+ LSB
+ Freedesktop Standards
+ Portland Project Guidelines
+ Packaging Guidelines
+ Knowledge of RPM
+ Python, Ruby
+ GNU Coding Standards
+ Autoconf/Automake
+ GDB

Profile:

o 5+ years work experience with a designing, coding, debugging, and
deploying software in a leadership role.
o Firm foundation in at least one object oriented programming language
(Python or Ruby) with some experience of other technologies,  scripting
languages, databases and software engineering. (essential)
o Robust experience of *nix /APIs/ ABI compatibility. (essential)
o An understanding of how commercial software fits into an Open Source
world.
o Deep understanding of FHS, LSB, GNU coding standards, Guidelines.
(Essential)
o Strong proficiency with RPM and RPM specfile syntax.
o Understanding of configuration management principles.
o Must understand the general software development release cycle, source
management and defect management methodologies in Linux environment.

* Associate Software Engineer (ASWENGG)

Software engineer with a strong technical background to ensure the
reliability of Red Hat products and services. The primary focus will be
to solicit and prioritize detailed feature requests to support software
portfolios running within the larger Red Hat Enterprise Linux ecosystem.
An ideal candidate would have demonstrated people, project management
experience and excellent communication skills. Other skills include
software skills to develop the test environment, create test automation,
execute functional tests, deliver in depth defect reports

Required Skills:

Knowledge of Standards and Guidelines pertaining to the following:

+ FHS
+ Packaging Guidelines
+ Knowledge of RPM
+ Python, Ruby
+ GNU Coding Standards
+ Autoconf/Automake
+ GDB

Profile:

o 1+ years work experience with a designing, coding, debugging software
o Firm foundation in at least one object oriented programming language
(Python or Ruby) with some experience of other technologies,  scripting
languages, databases and software engineering. (essential)
o Robust experience of *nix /APIs/ ABI compatibility. (essential)
o Strong proficiency with RPM and RPM specfile syntax.
o Understanding of configuration management principles.
o Must understand the general software development release cycle, source
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Re: [PLUG] linux screencapture software

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freeman murray wrote:
 Hey Everyone,
 
 I'd like to get a linux box set up with screencapture software
 we can use at SkillsCamp on Saturday to create screencasts
 of people doing development stuff on linux.
 
 Does anyone know the best software for doing this ?

http://kushaldas.in/?p=113 seems to think that Recordmydesktop works
fine, don't know more about it though




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Re: [PLUG] Re: Live CD for undergrad OS lab (Rahul Sundaram)

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Piyush Deora wrote:

 I would suggest to Install a Linux Distribution on the computers in the lab 
 rather than using a live CD, which is not manageable. The problem that will 
 arise is the Directory Maintainence, but can be done by providing a global 
 Username  Password say for example Username : Student And Password : Student.

Devendra Laulkar wrote:

 I want to distribute a live CD to the students, so
 that they can test out on their own PC's.

But then again ...

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Re: [PLUG] Setting up a mailing list (server)

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Aneesh Mulye wrote:
 I'm looking for information on how to set up a mailing list server for
 college-related work, similar to the one we're interacting with here.

On and off when I read similar thing the only issue that crops to my
mind is who maintains it when the original admin/proposer is not around
(it is an inevitability if you are a student and a possibility if you
are a faculty) and thus I'd really say that if such a chance exist push
the infrastructure bits of your required service to someone who already
has such a thing set up.

 A requirement for both the lists is that it should be able to set up
 tagging rules for each user. For instance, on the announce list, a
 user may say that if a mail contains the tags [COMP] or [ENTC], it
 should be sent to him. Or a user on the discuss list may say that
 all things marked [OT] will not be sent to him.

Being very pedantic, that above is not a mailing list function. Tagging
would help filtering and mail sort at MUA for end user. Unless there are
multiple recipients of mails marked say, [ENTC] a direct mail to sender
or creation an alias for which more than 1 user receive a mail copy
might be suggested.

 The above is not a requirement set in stone, however. Even without
 tag-based rules, it'll be possible to manage.

Ahh...

 I also want to find out information as to how to set up a web-based
 interface to the list, such as we have on our PLUG list, for users to
 manage their settings.

Any decent mailing list software / web based existing list service
should provide that along with somewhat limited security that archives
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Re: [PLUG] Info. about mashup camp as in LUG meet

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shirish wrote:

Another point, the licensing
 has to be under FOSS. It could be gpl, gpl2, gpl2+ restrictions, gpl3,
 apache, bsd or any of the derivatives. Here's a pointer to know about
 which license one could use perhaps . A somewhat comprehensive listing
 of licenses and what they mean. http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/

Since the notion of the mashup is the formation of ad-hoc teams with a
defined purpose, some of the mashups might actually derive from
upstream/existing licensed works and thus be comfortably placed about
which license to choose. For the ones that are new mashups (which is
perhaps orthogonal to the entire concept of being mashed I guess) the
license question would perhaps be relevant.
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/category is another link that folks
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Re: [PLUG] How to run an application as a applet

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Mandar Bartakke wrote:

 But it runs only on desktop on executing code !
 I want to run it on Pannel as a applet

Mandar,

Do please reply in somewhat sane fashion - figuring out what you replied
within the mailing list footer. Now, someone earlier had pointed to some
documentation (although a bit dated) about how to go about creating
applets for GNOME. You might want to read them. Additionally, there's a
fine channel called #gnome-love on irc.gimp.org - make time to land up
there with structured queries and get some answers. Before that however,
do read up existing applets to figure how and what they do.

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Re: [PLUG] Interesting ...

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ಓಂ wrote:
 http://www.linux.com/feed/119348
 
 I wish there was something similar done here for children... (yes.. i
 know there are 12+ indian languages to be handled :-)

The one jarring note with a National OS is that it is either a fork or
rebase of an existing work and ironically far too much is spent on doing
one. That expense would have been well spent in getting the language(s)
supported on the upstream from a localization and internationalization
perspective and of course from a documentation perspective.

Handling 12+ is not much of a challenge since the framework (ie tools
and other bits that make up the native language effect) is already in
place. Handling the remaining from the 22 official would be a stretch of
imagination.

What would be far more interesting is ensuring that there are enough
relevant applications in place that would enable such a OS to be
actually useful eg an ability to plug in languages into programs that
make up the GNOME and KDE Education set and more applications that allow
learning to be delivered.

 Also tried the first things on OO 2.3.0 to realise that Marathi
 rendering is still not purrr...fect.

You do need to file an issue (or multiple issues) then with sample
documents and screenshots that would enable fixing them. I'd say that
first file upstream (at OpenOffice.org) and then on your distribution

:Sankarshan



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Re: [PLUG] Interesting ...

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ಓಂ wrote:
 Much of what follows is probably going to be OT, but then it may
 become a separate thread so I am taking a risk...

:)

 I do not agree with your viewpoint fully...

But that's perfectly reasonable...

 Let's take example... (of course OT) Nokia low end handsets have
 better or much support for indic languages than high end phones...  So
 if anything is going to be done then it should be done by enabling
 indic languages fully on existing distro for the endusers and not
 worrying about applications availability.  Applications and everything
 else will get developed because sheer numbers of users wanting and
 using those languages will push it to necessary level of localization.

Extending the same example, Nokia high end *and* low end handsets in
specific regions have more than robust support for CJK rather than go
the full spectrum of CJKI. I tend to take Nokia and Samsung as applied
innovation driven by business needs - you want to aim at the long tail
of consumers - play by their rules and  don't try to impose your own rules.

But that was not precisely what stated. A operating system is in a crude
sense a container to allow actions to be performed by the consumers of
the operation system. That said what gets consumed is applications and
services. So, in effect, if l10n and i18n are to be robustly supported,
it has to be done at both the OS and the application level. What the OS
would provide is a set of framework or tools that would enable
applications to be developed. If the by now cliche phrase of User Driven
Innovation is applied, then development of applications should be driven
by the user need. However, that would be counterproductive since it
takes away the differentiator from any project. A far fetched example -
a vehicle is ready to be certified for the next level of emission tests,
but actually does not perform the check since there is no demand - that
does not make it stick in the market.

12+ Indic languages are in somewhat more better shape than they were at
least 3 years ago. The moot question is - how many of the potential and
current PC users do actually use it ? I don't see too many bugs/issues
being reported and there is a fair bit of chance that the silence on the
bugzillas are a direct result of the efforts not being used.

There is this chimera of l10n and i18n actively driving ICT4D since now
with the OS localized more folks would be able to use it. I deliberately
call it a chimera - ICT4D if it ever were to depend on localization
would require applications and services that enable the 3 key things -
input - display - output.

 How many of us who talk about indic enabling actually ask for indic
 enbled phones/devices when they actually have to make a decision to
 buy new tool/instrument.  I am sure the common man does not make those
 compromises that we educated people tend to make so easily.

Like I keep on asking - how many of us use hi_IN or mr_IN on the
interface / input and report issues (not limiting such reports to
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Re: [PLUG] Linux games live cd

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Devendra Laulkar wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Does anyone have Linux Games CD/DVD ? I would like to
 have a copy. Please mail me offlist.

Last I checked, Rahul (cc: ed) was pushing a Fedora Games Spin
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games), perhaps he can spare some bytes

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Re: [PLUG] legality of restricted formats in India

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Rahul Sundaram wrote:

 They are since patents on software is not valid in India. However
 win32codecs aren't and you would need to use ffmpeg.

You missed the IANAL bits :) but heh, that's more or less what it looks
like.

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Re: [PLUG] Plone Vs Joomla

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Manas Alekar wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I was wondering if people have tried deploying Joomla and/or plone.
 
 Any comments would be wonderful.

http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix/cms-matrix

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Re: [PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

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Linux Lingam wrote:

 am googling since two days, can't find a complete and/or comprehensive
 list of foss or foss-related events scheduled for 2008.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/xstatic/community/events is one road to
take, upcoming and/or facebook is another. Point of course is that most
of the FOSS events in India don't have the time or energy to chalk out
a media/public face plan that would ensure greater and organised
participation from delegates and speakers

LFY had its moments to emerge as the consolidated calendar site, but I'd
daresay that they have lost it

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Re: [LIG] [ilugd] [PLUG] [x-post] foss events list in india 2008?

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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 Linux Lingam wrote:
 
 2) rahul, you could consider asking your staff to submit event-entries
 to this site, and then feed it back to your openitis.com site.
 
 Umm, I don't have any staff and I am not part of either of these sites.
 If you want to send feedback, you have to contact the webmasters or the
 management team involved.

doh !! you know this gentleman called Rahul Chopra don't you ? ;)

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Re: [PLUG] Confirmation : PLUG meeting for November 2007 is scheduledonSaturday 3rd November, 2007, 4pm @ SICSR

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On 2/10/00, bp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I observed that on  systems with  already installed linux (old versions )when
 we add or change  new hardware and also for new application (even on new
 versions), linux users (not a developer, or expert) required to know some
 thing more like drivers, dependencies etc. Can we have some how to talk which
 provides information in general about divers and dependencies? That will be
 of great help.

I don't exactly comprehend the problem but would be interested to know more.

:Sankarshan


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Re: [PLUG] [ANN] Invitation for an eclipse user group meet in Pune.

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Sriram Narayanan wrote:
 Hello Folks:
 
 We at Thoughtworks are hosting two more events. One of which is the
 Geeknight session, and the other being the gathering of the Eclipse
 Developers in Pune.
 

Since these are happening regularly - can you use Upcoming or like
service to post the events - makes passing links to interested folks
easier and is a nice way to subscribe to



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Re: [PLUG] Kingfisher - linux

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On Dec 24, 2007 9:52 AM, Abhijit Bhopatkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On a related line Singapore airline is also using linux based inflight
 systems, and their newest systems let you run openoffice with a usb
 keyboard/mouse you can purchase in flight.

While on the topic of Linux in commercial airlines :
http://spevack.livejournal.com/41047.html

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Re: [PLUG] Maintaining a global address book

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Devendra Laulkar wrote:

| Is there any FOSS software that can do it ? Nothing
| fancy required - just phone no, email address  name.

zyb.com provides a service along these lines. On a basic level, CSV is a
format that is accepted by a lot of phones I hear

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Re: [PLUG] Avahi daemon related

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ಓಂ wrote:
| Can someone here tell me in simple terms what avahi daemon handles?

Avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local
network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a
network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat
with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. This kind of
technology is already found in Apple MacOS X (branded Rendezvous,
Bonjour and sometimes Zeroconf) and is very convenient. Avahi is mainly
based on Lennart Poettering's flexmdns mDNS implementation for Linux
which has been discontinued in favour of Avahi.

http://avahi.org/

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Re: [PLUG] URGENT Requirement for PHP, Moodle

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Peeyush Agrawal wrote:

| We are looking for software developers for our new office in Pune.
| You should be familiar with PHP, MYSQL, Moodle.
|
| Send me your CVs ASAP.

Hmm... these posts are generally tagged [COMMERCIAL] in the subject and
some details about the company also provided :)



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Re: [PLUG] Anyone going for FOSS event in Delhi.

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swapnil kamble wrote:

| Is there anyone who is going for FOSS's event at Delhi on 22nd Feb ?
| Please reply, I want to hand over the moblin device to Valsa Williams
| (Moblin) for presenting moblin on that event.

I would be going to freed.in, but I am leaving Pune on the 21st morning.
I am at

Red Hat Software Services (India) Pvt. Ltd.
6th Floor, East Wing,
Marisoft-III,
Marigold premises
Kalyani Nagar
Pune - 411 014
Tel : +91 20 4005 7300

if it suits your purpose

~sankarshan

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Re: [PLUG] Gcompris in Urdu Launched !!

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Nishit Dave wrote:

| Thanks for the illuminating explanation.  My comment was more
| regarding the so called internationalisation efforts, e.g. in Fedora 8
| / KDE / Ubuntu 7.10, where only a very few menu items are changed to
| Indic languages, and the system as a whole throws up messages in
| English.

Can you provide examples of such instances please - with language and
menu items where you see English cropping up ?

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Re: [PLUG] Gcompris in Urdu Launched !!

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Nishit Dave wrote:

| I am not so thoroughly well-versed in all matters techno-FOSS, but I
| think localization is a term that gets bandied about freely, and
| that's what I was talking about.  Just another way of putting in my
| 2c.

http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2008/01/14/the-oft-asked-question/

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Re: [PLUG] Gcompris in Urdu Launched !!

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On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  IIRC, Gujarati in Fedora 8, probably also Hindi in Ubuntu Gutsy.

Would it be possible for you to recall the specific menu items ?




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Re: [PLUG] Fwd: [ilugd] [X-POST] Microsoft lobbying the Government through ``friendly'' NGOs

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Nishit Dave wrote:

| Do you think the people here care?  Half of them come here to get some
| tech advice, and move on.  The collective voice of the rest is too
| feeble to be heard.  This is futile breast-beating unless all of us
| come together and start a movement.

If people don't care enough sooner rather than later content will be in
formats that would inhibit sharing. There are myriad reasons why people
come together to become part of any movement. However, the folks doing
their bit for ODF in India would require every bit of help and
coordination to ensure this issue never goes out of sight. Volumes of
spin on OOXML is expected and it would take every person concerned with
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Re: [PLUG] Need LiveCD for Students to learn C

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Roshan wrote:

| I assume, he has also delivered a tutorial / talk at foss.in/2007 about
| the remastered Ubuntu CD for developer (Comp. Sci. students).

Is the compose set written down someplace ? Would be good to have a
Fedora spin

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Re: [PLUG] FTP Client

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Nikhil Kala wrote:

| Errors like File could not be transfer, frequently automatically
| disconnect with server

Do you mean to state that for files which can be transferred without
disconnections using cuteFTP, gftp and others cause problems as above ?

Can you:

[1] Check the Options in gftp (Ctrl+O) to see if there are some settings
which need to be changed ?
[2] Use Nautilus ie Computer - File - Connect to Server and choose the
appropriate FTP bits to see if it works ?

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[PLUG] [COMMERCIAL] Software Engineer opening at Red Hat (Pune)

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There is an opening for a Software Engineer at Red Hat (Pune) in the
team that I am part of. The ideal candidate is required to have a good
grasp of POSIX standards, FHS guidelines and possess familiarity with
LSB guidelines pertaining to distributions. Should be comfortable with
using traditional debugging tools for userspace, can demonstrate
competence in scripting and scripting languages and familiar with the
processes of producing open source software. We are looking at relevant
experience of around 3 years, but that is flexible

If interested, do drop a mail with your CV attached (PDF / text / ODF)
along with a small portfolio of code to sankar at redhat dot com. Please
do put Software Engineer in the $SUBJECT line.  Please do not reply to
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Re: [PLUG] Need Info

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prabhleen singh Enjoying in Pune wrote:

| I am in 4th sem and now placements are going on... but due to not
fulfilling
| the eligibility criteria as I am not having 60% in 10'th and +12th I
am not
| able to sit,

Not being part of the placement stuff at college might be something that
leads to peer related stress, but it is certainly not the end of the
world. The important bits here are to figure out what skills you
currently possess and what good developer / programming / administration
habits you have inculcated which companies will find valuable. Being a
good developer / programmer / administrator at any company is as much
skills and competence as it is good habits.

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Re: [PLUG] will pune join the fun? campaign for document freedom?

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ഓം wrote:
| There is no better rebuke than purposefully not paying attention
| (ignoring) the mighty ones when they are screaming for attention :-)
| All these companies deserve the same treatment...
|
| You are unnecessarily giving them free (as in ___ :-) publicity.
|
| Actions of the silent ones are sometimes mightier than the Words of
| the vocal ones...

true - but even in cases of silent protest there has to be activities to
promote awareness about the issue. else the silence becomes tokenism at
best. explaining to folks who might think that document freedom isn't
really their issue or their cup of tea would help get more aware+silent
campaigners

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[PLUG] [OT] Content in UTF-8 encoding : how often do you come across it ?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

This is somewhat [OT] but I wanted to ask - how often do you come
across web content that is in UTF-8 and is available under an
appropriate license that allows sharing and distribution ?

If not enough local language content is available (in the region) in
UTF-8, do you have any thoughts on why that would be so ? Especially
given the prolific amount of published literature that one sees.

Additionally, do you know of any sources whereby children's rhymes in
the local language can be available so as to propose an inclusion of
them as part of OLPC and like projects ?

~sankarshan

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Re: [PLUG] [OT] Content in UTF-8 encoding : how often do you come across it ?

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Devendra Laulkar
devendralaul...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Does your question imply that why don't we have something like project 
 gutenberg for local languages ? Anyways, I always wondered about this 
 question. There has been some effort by IIT's and other institutions, but it 
 seemed to be scanned images of text, instead of the actual literature in 
 UTF-8.

In a way yes, you did put it across much nicely than I could. I don't
see enough content that is shared via a Project Gutenberg or like
system. And, I don't come across enough content in UTF-8. There are
umpteen magazines and thus content must be created regularly, what I'd
really like to know is what stops the authors from pushing them out in
UTF-8. This is somewhat in the context of the fact that the Indic
content creation experience is significantly improved since the early
days of IndLinux.

I am not really interested in the scanned images. They are good
efforts, but don't end up addressing the issue.


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Re: [PLUG] [OT] Content in UTF-8 encoding : how often do you come across it ?

[sankarshan . mukhopadhyay]

Mandar Vaze wrote:

 e.g Rather than entering ramayan in google can I enter ?? , and 
 still get relevant results ?

If there is content that matches your search pattern/string, yes you
will. I do that on and off for various Indic languages.
http://santhoshtr.livejournal.com/15068.html is a recent blog for example.

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Re: [PLUG] Front end for Postgres

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On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Rajiv Gore ra...@wsieng.com wrote:

 Can some one suggest a GUI front end for entering data and taking out reports
 in Postgres ?

http://code.google.com/p/crunchyfrog/ ?


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Re: [PLUG] software-project-todo

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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:32 AM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just see/saw the following on the site

 http://gnunify.in/09/content/sessions

 1   i-want-2-do-project. tell-me-wat-2-do   Shakthi Kannan

 Now I read something into it. It could be or not be what I thought it was.
 How am I suppose to read it any other way unless there is a link which
 give a more broader description of what he's going to be talking
 about?

http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf
is what you are looking for really.

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Re: [PLUG] OT: How many of you are programmers?

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On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Aditya Godbole aag.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sounds good. I presume the attendees need to be proficient programmers
 in at least one language?

Probably letting a couple of the tutorials happen would self-select
the interested attendees :) Proof of the pudding etc..


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Re: [PLUG] configuring DSL connection on Fedora 10

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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM, abhi abhi.eleme...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi. I am trying to get my new BSNL broadband connection  working on Fedora
 10 for the first time and its not working. I searched the web and tried
 creating xDSL connection with username and password. I activated it but the
 red cross on the network connection icon still persists. I also rebooted the
 computer after activating it. The cross still wont go. I used the correct
 net adaptor, still no go.

http://www.calcuttatelephones.com/dataoneinstall/menu.html might be
of help I guess.

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Re: [PLUG] problem setting fedora13 iso as repository

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On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Vinayak Kulkarni
kulkarnivd2...@yahoo.co.in wrote:

 Recently I have tried setting Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso file as repository.
 But, when I tried createrepo it is returning following error,

 createrepo: Directory /media/Fedora13 must be writeable.

 I have mounted image at /media/Fedora13.
 What should be the problem.

Did you mount the DVD ISO, copy the RPMs over to a location with write
permissions and then run createrepo ?


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Re: [PLUG] Question about companies and open source applications

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On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Nikhil Karkare
nikhil.kark...@myshala.com wrote:

 I am part of a school, and keep meeting people who want to sell me software.
 Here is a situation that I come across regularly.
 I find people selling products based on Linux. I see them writing a
 few lines of code, customizing Gnome or KDE a bit, and using the rest
 for free from the Linux world.
 By apps I mean GCompris. These guys use gcompris apps, and don't
 mention anywhere that the apps are from GCompris. Plus, they don't
 even mention that they use Linux as an operating system! They say that
 they have no problems of viruses, no problem in virtualization. Is it
 some groundbreaking OS that has been written from scratch? I don't
 think so. Why don't they mention that they run Linux and use open
 source apps? Aren't they liable to do that?

By 'mention' do you indicate that they don't provide such things
in-writing or, is it that it goes unmentioned during their pitch ?

 More than liability, I feel sad that since most schools don't know
 about Linux and GCompris, they are sold out on this. Linux and
 GCompris don't get the recognition that they deserve.

The problem begins to arise when the custom development for the
applications are based on existing FOSS bits but access to source code
is not provided as a matter of entitlement. And then of course we have
that 'open core' thing :)
http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2011/03/05/open-core-slur.html

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Re: [PLUG] Question about companies and open source applications

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote:

 Many schools and institutes do not even know how much they stand to save
 by adopting FOSS. With fee hikes becoming a regular issue, an eye opener
 is needed for school runners.

When it comes to institutions I'd hesitate to put forth 'cost savings'
as the only value derived by moving to a FOSS stack. In real life, it
is somewhat easy for any vendor to juggle around prices via discounts
and render 'free' quite irrelevant as a value.

Institutes and more importantly, the faculty and the folks within the
institutes adopting FOSS should make it a point to discuss the culture
of collaboration and learning via looking that is enabled by a FOSS
stack. And, that the culture of collaboration is not limited to
software but should be visible across other parts and activities of
the institute - magazines, coding and similar contests, technical
workshops and so forth.


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Re: [PLUG] [Event report] Introduction to Python: Maharashtra Institute of Technology, Pune, India

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Navin Kabra navin.ka...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you think it would make sense to repeat this in other colleges? What is
 required - an enthusiastic faculty member? A strong student group?

All of the above and, a method to continue the follow-up to encourage
'applied' discussions. For example, once the basics of programming
using Python has been grasped, moving on to various areas of
application where such knowledge can be used and, things can be built.
A somewhat problematic area is that the return on time spent during
the sessions isn't too great - and this is primarily because of a lack
of means to keep the conversation going.



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Re: [PLUG] [Event report] Introduction to Python: Maharashtra Institute of Technology, Pune, India

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Parag Shah adapti...@gmail.com wrote:

 My theory is that, to be able to do anything over a sustained period of
 time, the only way to get it to work is to tie it to tangible rewards.
 Unfortunately, tangible rewards for students - are grades, and for employees
 - are appraisals. Please do not take this as a negative remark for either
 students or employed programmers. I am just stating what I have observed,
 and perhaps things are such because of the way our system works.

And, I often say that unless the students are motivated enough to
apply their knowledge for mere pleasure of finding things out then we
are missing out on the opportunity to build capable employees and
entrepreneurs.

Let's face it, in each life there is hardship and difficulty. And yet,
if one doesn't take it upon oneself to rise above it all, then what's
the point ?

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Re: [PLUG] [OOT] Need information regarding Linux Kernel community in Pune.

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Tayade, Nilesh
nilesh.tay...@netscout.com wrote:

 As we have the community of Linux users, do we have any community/group
 specific to Linux kernel only?
 Could someone please confirm if any such group exists?

Neependra (cc:ed) was working alongside a few other individuals to
create such a group.


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Re: [PLUG] Where to find Oreilly books in Pune

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Nar Kumar Chhantyal
nkchhant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Few days back, Parag told me about 'Technical Book Shop' at FC Road. I went
 there and asked everyone. I think it's no more there.
 Do you know where to find Oreilly books?

There is Technical Book Services
844, Dastur Meher Road, Camp, Pune, Maharashtra 411001
020 2613 0281 ‎

if that is what you were looking for.

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Re: [PLUG] Devnagari on Ubuntu 11.04 (Was Re: offline quillpad?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Abhijay Patne abhijaypa...@yahoo.com wrote:

            I read previous discussions regarding offline quillpad, but I have 
 some basic doubts :
 1] Where to write using Devanagari fonts?
 2] Does it support special characters ('#', '(', ')', . )?
 3] Installation procedures : what are the packages required? I have installed
 ibus-m17n libm17n-0 m17n-contrib m17n-db
  ttf-devanagari-fonts

If you are already offline, would it be easier for you to use the
distribution's native input method ?

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Re: [PLUG] sendmail

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:08 PM, reena pagare reena...@gmail.com wrote:

 Some of the students from our college are interested in working on sendmail
 as a part of their BE project. Any suggestions on what are the challenges
 related to send mail are welcome.

Are the students interested in MTAs in general and thereafter attempt
to resolve some issues or, specifically sendmail ?


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Re: [PLUG] Article on systemd

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Brijesh Kartha brij.at.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why do you say that? It is evolution, is it not?

Lennart has an eleven part blog series about systemd for
administrators at http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/inetd.html along
with http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html Reading them along
with Carla's article would provide enough conceptual grasp about the
need which systemd tries to address.


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Re: [PLUG] [OT] Project Ideas for College Project

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On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, ajax7...@gmail.com ajax7...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am student of MCM and we are having project in last semester . I want to
 do project that will be useful for GNU/Linux users .
 I know Java, Python,HTML, XML,PHP, JavaScript, MySQL. Please suggest me
 project Ideas , for right now i have two ideas in mind

 1. Android Application ( suggest application that is not free)
 2. PC suite for GNU/Linux

 Any new ideas are welcome. I am ready to learn any technology. I just want
 to create a useful Application / Web Application / Web Site for GNU/Linux
 users .

Keeping in mind that GNUnify is around the corner, how about a generic
conference application which can be re-used for various conferences
(if the conference organizers provide the data in a specific
structured format). The application should allow an user to select
tracks/talks to attend, set reminders for the selected talks/tracks,
allow sharing of it via social network (using the conference specific
hashtag) and also allow ranking of the talk.

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Re: [PLUG] Fedora to put everything under /usr

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote:
 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-relocates-operating-system-under-usr-1423644.html

 As a new comer to Unix you might have wondered about the standard
 directory structure and might have come to terms with it as that is how
 it always is.

 For majority of the users the change will remain transparent, though it's
 still a change from an age old directory structure. Any views
 counter-views regarding pros and cons of this?

Do read http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge
along side.


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Re: [PLUG] Microsoft - Key Linux contributor!

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote:

 No problems with that. (Look I am not a stereotype MS basher.) All that I
 mean is the numbers do not necessarily indicate _intent_ to contribute.

This is an interesting way of putting it. The numbers for everyone
would indicate that they see significant business value (economic
drivers) in contributing to the enhancement of the kernel. For some it
could be getting things to be interoperable, for others it might be to
do innovation and, then again, there is a strong overlap between those
two perspectives.

 You might patch a thing n times just because it broke n times, does not
 make you a better contributor than someone who contributed fewer times
 though with better quality and functionality. Just the count is not a
 measure of intent.

The count is a measure of investment. And, for publicly traded large
corporations, making significant investments means a policy shift. It
wasn't that long ago that the current CEO considered Linux a disease
(I think it was 'cancer' as was told). Cut to today, it does make for
a different picture.

 They are unlikely to be doing it to help Linux/OSS prosper or something.
 They contributed to areas where they had a business interest. Hence I
 called it an illusion.

If you see that the business interest actually translates into
requiring to contribute kernel code, aren't they anyway enhancing the
kernel ?


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Re: [PLUG] Microsoft - Key Linux contributor!

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 08:19:20AM +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
 If you see that the business interest actually translates into
 requiring to contribute kernel code, aren't they anyway enhancing the
 kernel ?

 Never denied that. The term is key contributor and it is arrived at on
 the basis of some count, which is questionable.

And that is what I alluded to. The key is a measure of significance
or, it could be a measure of sheer LoC. I'd probably lean towards the
former. What I find a bit amusing is that this entire MSFT presence is
diverting attention from the fact that embedded folks viz. Samsung and
others are beginning to make their presence felt on the list.

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Re: [PLUG] Microsoft - Key Linux contributor!

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote:

 No, because the fact that their business depends on Linux is known. And
 for the same reason, I'd not call MS as key contributor just based on
 numbers as how much they depend on Linux is clear as well.

Linux is one of the business(es) Red Hat is involved in. And, there
are a significant number of technologies where MSFT requires to ensure
that things are interoperable. The kernel isn't that unimportant in an
MSFT scheme of things.


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[PLUG] [Commercial] Software Developer [Intern] opportunities at Red Hat

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

And, it is also a request that if you'd know someone who would like to
work at Red Hat, please pass this along.

My team looking for a Software Developer [Intern] (6 months duration)
who has participated in various coding competitions and has strong
fundamentals in algorithm design. The developer is expected to work on
data sets of reasonably large size and apply methods of quantitative
analysis to generate conclusions. We'd love to see familiarity with
Python and maths/graphing libraries. Familiarity and comfort with R
would be a real plus.

We are also looking for another developer who would be interested in a
similar role of an intern. The developer would be expected to work
with database test framework and develop test cases for a dataset of
reasonable complexity. Familiarity with scripting languages especially
Python is expected. Knowledge of testing methodologies and an
understanding of test case frameworks is a big plus.

These opportunities are based out of Pune. If you do know someone
who'd be a good fit, please send them our way (sankarshan at redhat
dot com) for a chat and we'll see how things go from there.

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Re: [PLUG] Help required in Localization

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM, anand mattikopp anand.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm working on Hindi localization of an open source software. Since I'm new
 to this area, can some point me to good resource for translation. I've
 tried google/bing translation and babylon.com but these provide more of
 general translations and are not very technical. For example, *Restart*
 gets translated to फिर से आरंभ करें.

https://fedorahosted.org/fuel/browser#fuel-hindi is a good starting point.

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Re: [PLUG] Help required in Localization

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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, anand mattikopp anand.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I only concern with FUEL is that the glossary is in pdf. Seriously? I know
 .ods and .po files are also present but storing this glossary on a
 webpage(read html format) would be handy.

That is a function of the output format. Put a request to the FUEL
folks to provide a HTML format and that should be trivial to do.


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Re: [PLUG] Richard Stallman on Ubuntu's online search feature

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote:
 It is unclear, why throughout the day my phone's data upload-download
 arrows (icons indicating internet usage) keep blinking...

On some of the more recent releases of Android you can check which of
the applications are sync-ing data in the background. And, configure
them as well.


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Re: [PLUG] Mailing list issues - Quick vote

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Thin Rhino trml...@gmail.com wrote:
 A: Open up the list completely, no moderation
 B: Remove restrictive moderation, keep basic moderation in place
 C: Let it be as it is, no change

A mailing list maintained using a standard mailing list software has
two distinct roles - admin/administrator and, moderator. The roles are
somewhat self-explanatory and, traditionally the moderator hammer is
used judiciously and, rarely. The plethora of discussions around the
mailing list issues topic seems to conflate the two roles.

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Re: [PLUG] Mailing list issues - Quick vote

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just two days ago, my reply to an OP on security certification was
 trapped by a Suspicious Header filter.  It took close to 42 hours to
 get moderator approval.   This is after so much discussion on opening
 up this mailing list.

I have been reading this thread for a while. And, not just this
iteration. There are a couple of things which leave me a bit upset.
One, the original email from Sudhanwa left more issues un-addressed
than it did by way of explanation. The exposition was more
(admittedly, paraphrasing) certain issues compel things to be the way
they are, persons unnamed (due to safety in anonymity) are discussing
and changes may happen. Unfortunately, most of the traffic on the
list subsequently has been about the issue. The expected nature of
traffic on an UserGroup list is never always limited to let's dissect
what is wrong with the mailman settings for this list. Because that
approach defines an oddly practised form of tautology.

I've been lurking on this list for a while now. And, while the genesis
of the crisis - lack of traffic - may have been due to settings, the
lack of traffic itself is very upsetting. There could be a number of
reasons for that - specialized groups and forums are available to
discuss everything under the sun, newbies may not be facing any issues
while installation (Paradise Regained - every single piece of new
hardware just works !), or, that there is simply nothing to discuss.
Whatever may the reason be - that should be thought about. On a side
note, this isn't unique - most of the major LUG lists are seeing
dwindling traffic. The difference in this case is that it is sharply
approached zero.

Pune has its flagship event in GNUnify - that the LUG list doesn't see
much activity is probably something of an oddity. I am old school and
while forums like G+ are always welcome (and, I'm happy that
individuals have decided to come together to create the community
page) in terms of outreach and conversations, a mailing list is more
than that. Tooling that measures the vibrancy and activity of
communities still use mailman archives to generate graphs.

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Re: [PLUG] GNUnify 2013

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote:

 Delegate registration is now open. If you want to attend, please
 register yourself.

It may be too late for this year, but you may want to consider
revisiting the mandatory fields in the Delegate registration form
for 2014 (should there be a 2014 event)


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Re: [PLUG] [confirmation] PLUG meeting on 11th May, 4pm @SICSR

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Manjusha Joshi manjusha.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
 1) Discussion on Pune Tree Census project and implementing   Free Open
 source software for that, discussion on participation from PLUG.

Is it possible to read more about this project?


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Re: [PLUG] Still no _good_ devnagari terminal in sight?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote:
 Always wished I could read those occasional devanagari contents in emails
 in mutt, in a terminal.

NCST had http://www.cdacmumbai.in/projects/indix/screenshot/ncst-term.shtml
which I do not know if they still support and maintain.

http://indiclanguagecomputing.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/devanagari-support-on-gnome-terminal/
is a more recent attempt - a project work by CoEP students.



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Re: [PLUG] Linux Journal Readers' choice awards 2013

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे
mandarv...@gmail.com wrote:
 When choosing a tool, I typically check when was the last active
 development.
 If my requirement is low enough - something that isn't updated in few years
 might also work for me now
 but when I need a security update, and no one is maintaining it, I am out
 of luck (I know, open source, fix it yourself, but honestly just because
 one has access to source, doesn't mean one has skills to fix)

Mutt does have activity. At least https://github.com/karelzak/mutt-kz has.

Applications are as good as the design decisions which result in their
development. If someone finds that that new fangled applications are
not providing enough merit to switchover, the possible reason might be
that the decisions of design and user experience are something that
does not meet this user's requirement. That happens all the time and,
there's not much achieved by boiling the ocean.


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Re: [PLUG] Building kernel module RPM for all kernel version in RHEL 6

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Abhijeet Kasurde
abhijeetkasurd...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have created a RPM-spec file for kernel 2.6.32-358 (RHEL 6.4), and
 it gives me working RPM. Now here is problem, when I install that same
 RPM on kernel 2.6.32-279 (RHEL 6.3), modprobe fails as .ko file goes
 in /lib/modules/2.6.32-358.el6-x86_64/extra.

A reasonably clean way is to compile your kernel module for each new
version of the kernel that you want to work with. Would it be possible
for you to explain a bit more about why you do not want to take that
route?


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Re: [PLUG] Why I won't be speaking at FOSSsumMIT 2104

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:57 PM, ThinRhino thinrh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was scheduled to give a talk at FOSSsumMIT 2104, but I was asked to use a 
 Open
 Source License compliant operating system to give the talk. I have blogged 
 about
 it in detail here - http://adityalaghate.in/no-to-symbolism.html

 The reason, I invoke this thread / discussion is that this happened to me at 
 two
 conferences and the common denominator was PLUG. I used be an active member of
 the list in it's heydays.

The usage of OS X devices at various programming language conferences
is well blogged and tweeted. There is perhaps a general degree of
acceptance of the platform chosen by a speaker to demonstrate the
content of the presentation. Having said that, conference organizers
are, within reason, allowed to dictate the general environment and
perhaps the strictness around non OSS OS is within that scope. It
would be better if the organizers and the speakers set the
expectations *before* the talk rather than *during* the talk.


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Re: [PLUG] Why I won't be speaking at FOSSsumMIT 2104

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Gaurav Pant gaurav...@gmail.com wrote:
 The most frustrating is when people come up with Apple Mac and give demo on
 that -- your message to the public is very simple-- your need costly high
 end (proprietary) devices to do this.

The price point of Apple hardware is no longer on the higher end of
the market. And in the context of 'proprietary devices', you can have
various Linux distributions installed on Apple hardware (cf.
http://mattoncloud.org/2014/02/05/fedora-20-on-a-macbook-air/ as one
example). I am not sure what is the scope/definition of the phrase
'proprietary devices' in this context.


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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM, shirish <shir...@hamaralinux.org> wrote:
> we discussed about the immense knowledge gap about FOSS in India among other
> things.

What were the salient points of the discussion?


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Re: [PLUG] xz compression

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Gaurav Pant <gaurav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Was just going through kernel.org and saw the default download was in
> format of tar.xz
>
> Seem to be better than gzip, any one used the same?
>

Large number of small files are better handled (fault tolerance) via
the lzma2 ; some old(er) benchmarks at
<http://stephane.lesimple.fr/blog/2010-07-20/lzop-vs-compress-vs-gzip-vs-bzip2-vs-lzma-vs-lzma2xz-benchmark-reloaded.html>

> Some info is available here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xz




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Re: [PLUG] GNUnify 2017 plannings

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Shubham Halle <halleshub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Event suggestion - An event for students, who want to get into world of open
> source development. Many times, it happens that, students don't know what to
> do, and from where to start ? (even if student is good in technical skills)

This is an oddity. One would have thought that after years of Google
Summer of Code, OutReachy and similar initiatives, the students should
be gaining knowledge from their 'seniors' about the entry paths into
how to participate in and contribute to projects which adopt the Free
and Open Source model of development. What is it that is preventing
such interactions from taking place?


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Re: [PLUG] GNUnify 2017

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Gaurav Pant <gaurav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please start suggesting tracks/topics and stuff what you would be
> interested in during the event.

Where and how can such suggestions be provided?


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Re: [PLUG] Why folks using IRC are against "cool" and "new" features?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 8:43 AM Tejas Sanap  wrote:
>
> Hey, folks!
> I use plain IRC and for some reason that I can't explain, love it's
> simplicity. I ran into a blog post today, that presented some
> interesting perspectives on IRC and similar protocols (Matrix).
>
> https://drewdevault.com/2019/07/01/Absence-of-features-in-IRC.html
>
> I guess, IRC is an example of the "less is better, more is worse" case.
> I would love to hear some of your point-of-views.

The IRC/other-medium conversation is best looked at from the
perspective of how software development in FOSS has evolved from
communities to enterprises. In the latter, there are some distinct
benefits to selection of tools that combine
collaboration+notification+communication without much investments.
Looking at IRC vs Slack in the same light of vi vs emacs is good
method to while away time, but in the end, not generally productive.

It would also be pertinent to consider that some of the large projects
eg. Kubernetes etc adopt the established methods of their largest
contributors and this weighs against the continuation of IRC
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Re: [PLUG] Why folks using IRC are against "cool" and "new" features?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 15:08 Vishal Rao  wrote:

>
>

> IRC is kind of "stateless", right? Meaning you have to stay logged in to
> not miss any messages? If I log out and log back in later on, I miss all
> the messages that were posted in the interim? That is the main reason I
> stopped using IRC and prefer email mailing lists or online forum discussion
> platforms or things like Slack where you can see the messages even if you
> log out and log back in later on.
>

There's IRC bouncers which can be configured to enable the kind of
"presence" which you point out. Those are usually additional services -
either to be paid for, or, configured. Email continues to be a resilient
method of communication in projects. Regardless of the fact that every now
and then I read about the imminent demise of email as a medium for
discussion.

Slack and others don't lend themselves well to highly threaded or, long
form conversations. List software such as Mailman are also adding
enhancements which cater to some of the requirements around ease of
conversations.

>
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Re: [PLUG] Why folks using IRC are against "cool" and "new" features?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:09 PM Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे
 wrote:
>
>> Slack and others don't lend themselves well to highly threaded or, long form 
>> conversations.
>
>
> Has anyone used twist ? https://twist.com/tour (I have not)
> One of the feature they keep talking about is threaded conversations.

Slack, Flock and a host of others lend themselves to threading (which,
by the way, isn't very "new", Google Wave had thread
)

The trouble with threading is when it becomes too deeply nested.
Visual selection and curation of items and topics become difficult.
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Re: [PLUG] Why folks using IRC are against "cool" and "new" features?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 5:32 PM Tejas Sanap  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 04, 2019 at 03:33:49PM +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 15:08 Vishal Rao  wrote:
> >
> > > IRC is kind of "stateless", right? Meaning you have to stay logged in to
> > > not miss any messages? If I log out and log back in later on, I miss all
> > > the messages that were posted in the interim? That is the main reason I
> > > stopped using IRC and prefer email mailing lists or online forum 
> > > discussion
> > > platforms or things like Slack where you can see the messages even if you
> > > log out and log back in later on.
> Or, you can use a terminal-based IRC client like irssi or weechat and log in
> on a server using tmux. Next time, tmux attach and tmux detach. Simple.
> You never have to log out.
>
> > There's IRC bouncers which can be configured to enable the kind of
> > "presence" which you point out. Those are usually additional services -
> > either to be paid for, or, configured. Email continues to be a resilient
> The main takeaway from the whole IRC/ZNC vs. Slack coversation, or rather
> any software solution on Linux vs. On Mac/Windows, is that in the latter
> case things "just work". Whereas, in the former case, you require a bit
> of tweaking and hacking. This is the point where things go sour for many
> users. As enthusiasts, we love a new challenge and throw ourselves at
> it. But, a normal user only wants to do his work.
>

A significant number of things also "just work" on Linux. And as
someone who has been using a Linux desktop for a while now, the
improvements have been quite staggering if not totally amazing. That
said, there are 2 aspects to the IRC/Slack conversation - (a) initial
investment (b) value proposition.

As a growing number of projects are switching over to Slack, the
end-user/contributor/participant joining IRC might not find the
desired value.

And as the above choice is made keeping in mind "get online as quickly
as one can", setting up a persistent instance, configuring
tmux/screen, configuring a client etc are steps that need to be done.
Matrix addresses some of that.

> To be honest, I have given this topic a lot of thought, and the only way
> to convince people to go with FOSS/Linux solutions, is to show them in
> person how to do things.
>
> As an example, I would suggest setting up "polybar". It's a custom
> status bar that many people use alongside their minimalistic window
> managers (like i3 or dwm). If, one wished to approach this task on their
> own, it is highly likely that they would give up. But, if someone has
> access to an in-depth and at the same time, easy tutorial such as [1]
> and [2]... It will be a different story.
>
> > Slack and others don't lend themselves well to highly threaded or, long
> > form conversations. List software such as Mailman are also adding
> > enhancements which cater to some of the requirements around ease of
> > conversations.
> There are a lot of interesting features in ZNC. For example, it will
> automatically (and, temporarily) detach from an "inactive" channel. Or,
> it allows for maintaining seperate buffers, channel-list for different
> devices. But, such features, are rarely advertised.
> I maybe wrong here, but, as a "Linux Users Group" we should be helping
> such projects "bridge the gap" between normal users and themselves.

The question though is what is the gap we would want to bridge. If I
am not mistaken, a student would want to earn their
stripes/credibility within a project so that they can show their
contributions and expertise. To that effect, the easiest path to the
outcome will always be the most traveled.

> Like, I know so many college "CS/IT" courses where students use vi/vim
> as their editors, but the students never leave the "INSERT" mode. I
> mean, that's just sad.

I'd position that the students should be made aware of Atom, Eclipse
and even VSCode as a number of possible spaces they will work at
(employment, further studies) are adopting these.
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Re: [PLUG] [ILUG-BOM] Can tech startups have an open source business strategy

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:20 AM Navin Dhanuka  wrote:
>
> Can tech startups have an open source business strategy
>
>
>
> Because of the cooperative approach to product development, open source
> many a times is not viewed as a business strategy but more as a technology
> model. But, with the advent multi billion dollar open source startups like
> Cloudera, Mulesoft, Databricks, Hashicorp, Confluent and more, this has
> changed.
>
>
> Read More:
> https://analyticsindiamag.com/can-tech-startups-have-an-open-source-business-strategy/

"Open Source" is a software development model. There are many models,
open source is one of them. Open source software development model is
primarily adopted for "projects". These are, and continue to have, an
appropriately licensed publicly available (mostly) repository,
issue/defect reporting and download methods. A business strategy is
built around a product (or, a service formulation of the product). The
article often conflates and uses project/product interchangeably to
arrive at a forced hypothesis. What has happened in the last 2 decades
is that a significant number of artifacts which we use as part of
day-to-day computing are built around the open source software
development model. That is the change. A business can be built around
anything that has a market and a legal entity can apply a dynamic
pricing (or, micro-economics) to.
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