[pmwiki-users] commentbox and recent changes

2007-04-18 Thread Nicholas Buttle
is there any way of excluding items created using commentbox from appearing in the recent changes list? TIA Nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

[pmwiki-users] (no subject)

2007-04-18 Thread nemrodd
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Re: [pmwiki-users] commentbox and recent changes

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 9:12:10 AM, Nicholas wrote: is there any way of excluding items created using commentbox from appearing in the recent changes list? As far as I know there is no easy way to do so. One would need to modify the latest commentboxplus running under pmwiki 2.2.0 beta, a

Re: [pmwiki-users] commentbox and recent changes

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 9:52:45 AM, Hans wrote: One would need to modify the latest commentboxplus running under pmwiki 2.2.0 beta, a sthis uses the UpdateFunction to save the page. This function can be used with a custom $EditFunctions list which can be defined without the call to write

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread Roman
- Why all these names I chose the Acme recipe name in deference to those who think ZAP is not too far off from Wiley Coyote's various contraptions. There's also a note on the recipe page someone sent me from wikipedia that I thought was especially appropriate. Feel free to continue

[pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
I have a request to set a limit to the Summary line of the cookbook recipe info sections. The Summary gets used in many pagelists on pmwiki.org to provide a short quick way to see what the recipe is about. It is not meant for a comprehensive description IMO. So I propose that perhaps a 20 word

Re: [pmwiki-users] commentbox and recent changes

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:05:54AM +0100, Hans wrote: Another way might be to add to config.php: if($action=='comment') { $RecentChangesFmt['$SiteGroup.AllRecentChanges'] = ''; $RecentChangesFmt['$Group.RecentChanges'] = ''; } Better might be: if ($action == 'comment')

Re: [pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:09:03AM +0100, Hans wrote: I have a request to set a limit to the Summary line of the cookbook recipe info sections. The Summary gets used in many pagelists on pmwiki.org to provide a short quick way to see what the recipe is about. It is not meant for a

Re: [pmwiki-users] commentbox and recent changes

2007-04-18 Thread Nicholas Buttle
hi, thanks for the replies. unfortunately, neither of the suggestions seems to work. I'll have a look myself as to how to get round this. thanks again. Nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around

Re: [pmwiki-users] commentbox and recent changes

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 11:28:21 AM, Nicholas wrote: unfortunately, neither of the suggestions seems to work. I'll have a look myself as to how to get round this. do you use pmwiki 2.2.0 beta and commentboxplus? ~Hans ___ pmwiki-users

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread The Editor
What's behind the post, Hans? It makes me wonder why you are so interested in knocking ZAP? If you don't like ZAP just focus development on Fox? If you want to improve ZAP suggest improvements. I don't really have time to deal with this kind of stuff, and you probably don't either. But for the

Re: [pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 11:23:05 AM, Patrick wrote: Policy, perhaps. I don't want to enforce a strict limit, and on the whole humans are much better at determining appropriate lengths. On the whole yes. But there are exceptions. However, I also agree with Hans that Summary: is intended

Re: [pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread The Editor
On 4/18/07, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 11:23:05 AM, Patrick wrote: Policy, perhaps. I don't want to enforce a strict limit, and on the whole humans are much better at determining appropriate lengths. On the whole yes. But there are exceptions. However, I

[pmwiki-users] query authorisation group with cond-markup

2007-04-18 Thread noskule
hi list Is it somehow possible to query if the loged-in user belongs to a certan authorisation group? To do something like (:if authid @admins {*$Group}.SideBar:)[[{*$Group}.SideBar?action=edit]] thanks for any hints nos ___ pmwiki-users mailing

Re: [pmwiki-users] google ads paradox

2007-04-18 Thread Hans Huijgen
2007/4/17, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, AdSense provides an exclude mechanism to prevent competitor ads from appearing on pmwiki.org -- I've already blocked a few addresses that probably appear contradictory on pmwiki.org . You can't exclude terms? Pity. So, if you find an ad

Re: [pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 12:16:03 PM, The wrote: Namely, that recipe writers only have one recipe page for each distinct recipe, and not a completely separate page for each possible application of it--like ZAPforum, ZAPblog, ZAPvote, etc.. Those could all be stored in a ZAP group and links

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:31:23AM +0100, Hans wrote: Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 11:06:38 PM, The Editor wrote: The code is quite functional and works well. Hans changed the status to beta for me because PmWiki is in beta status, and ZAP requires the latest beta versions. Other than that it

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread Dominique Faure
dry_wit I was wondering why you finally choose Acme for recipe name,... ...then I remembered the usage made of this acronym by the Perl Developers Community [1]. I'm sure Hans would also found it wise... ;) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl#CPAN_Acme Dominique

[pmwiki-users] ActionSkin question

2007-04-18 Thread carlos . ab
I'm doing a script to convert wiki to word (.doc), the recipe creates a new action called doc and inside the recipe I use : $ActionSkin['doc'] = 'word'; The page shows that the wiki markups were translated to html , but the output is not wrapped with the skin . What am I doing wrong here?

Re: [pmwiki-users] commentbox and recent changes

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 03:28:21AM -0700, Nicholas Buttle wrote: hi, thanks for the replies. unfortunately, neither of the suggestions seems to work. I'll have a look myself as to how to get round this. Note that the changes we suggested won't cause existing entries in RecentChanges to

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread The Editor
On 4/18/07, Dominique Faure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dry_wit I was wondering why you finally choose Acme for recipe name,... ...then I remembered the usage made of this acronym by the Perl Developers Community [1]. I'm sure Hans would also found it wise... ;) [1]

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread The Editor
On 4/18/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Is it safe to use No known security vulnerabilities or bugs. All are fixed as rapidly as possible. In some ways it is more secure than other processors as it uses session variables for all it's major commands. [...] I

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread Jiri Hladůvka / OBUTEX
Hey, you really never heard about Mr.Wiley Coyote nor Acme Company? Read here http://www.rvc.cc.il.us/faclink/pruckman/humor/acme.htm :-) Regards, Jiri Roman napsal(a): ... http://www.fast.st/zapbeta/pmwiki.php?n=Main/Coyote with a picture of a Wiley Coyote - according to Dan, current

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 1:59:05 PM, The wrote: I have not studied the Fox security system in any degree, but if Hans is only relying on POST values to give users access to page editing functions, I'd say it is at the very least a potential security risk. I have mentioned this to Hans and

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread The Editor
On 4/18/07, Jiri Hladůvka / OBUTEX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, you really never heard about Mr.Wiley Coyote nor Acme Company? Read here http://www.rvc.cc.il.us/faclink/pruckman/humor/acme.htm :-) Regards, Jiri Thanks for this important link. I've added an appropriate clarification to

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread Ben Stallings
I feel the need to speak up on a couple issues brought up by this thread: 1) I have found ZAP to be a very useful recipe, though its documentation still needs work. I am using it on three of my production sites and it works flawlessly. Because all three sites are password-protected, I can't

[pmwiki-users] help...made big mistake!!!

2007-04-18 Thread Nicholas Buttle
hi i created loads of entries on pages as a test and it turned out I've done it on the live server. how do I manually remove items from the recent entries list? oops Thanks nicholas __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best

Re: [pmwiki-users] help...made big mistake!!!

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 3:45:50 PM, Nicholas wrote: how do I manually remove items from the recent entries list? open RecentChanges in the group, and also Site.AllRecentChanges, and edit those pages, and save them again. I mean edit them as normal wiki pages. Works fine. ~Hans

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread the Other michael
No Hans -- you have not made any claims for ZAP insecurity -- but you have raised a lot of negative speculation and insinuation very loudly. As Dan has also done the same positively regarding ZAP, and returned the negative favor for FOX. I think PM's point was the same for both of you -- there

[pmwiki-users] $action

2007-04-18 Thread Nicholas Buttle
phew... If I can use... $action=='comment' ...to set a filter for what appears on the recent changes list. Would other/all recepies have similar action signatures that I can look for to add to the list of pages not included in the recent changes list? I'm thinking specifically of The Wiki

[pmwiki-users] drowdown menu hlelp_simpleskin

2007-04-18 Thread hsubryan
Hello, I'm currently working of a wiki site, which uses a drop down menu system. I have login/logout system working. There is a set of drop down menu for public viewing and then there is set of menus which i want enable when the user login to the site. I have part of that system working. When

[pmwiki-users] PHP/Linux/Hotmail: broken membership / mail() configuration

2007-04-18 Thread J. Meijer
I'm having trouble configuring the linux server to send mail. A common and simple requirement. Any of you have experience with the following? The system is configured to send mail. And the sending part works. It's just that gmail accepts them and hotmail does *not*. It throws 'm away,

[pmwiki-users] Export as XML or others

2007-04-18 Thread info
Hi Is there a possibily to export all sites as xml (or any other format)? -- Any feedback is very much appreciated. Regards, Mike ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users

[pmwiki-users] Keywords and Seaching

2007-04-18 Thread Sandy
The (:keyword:) directive works well to help people find things when you want to include synonyms for searches. However, if searching for word brings up a long page, the next step is to ctrl=f to use the browser to search the page. And the browser claims it isn't on the page. When you put several

Re: [pmwiki-users] anchor in url prevents editing

2007-04-18 Thread Sandy
H. Fox haganfox at users.sourceforge.net writes: On 4/16/07, Hans design5 at softflow.co.uk wrote: Monday, April 16, 2007, 9:50:43 PM, Sandy wrote: Although, with the length of that page I can see why they'd not want to scroll up to it. Maybe break it into smaller pages? or

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:34:55AM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: I feel the need to speak up on a couple issues brought up by this thread: 1) I have found ZAP to be a very useful recipe, though its documentation still needs work. This is *very* helpful to know. 3) I have achieved far more

[pmwiki-users] it updates but doesn't load in view mode

2007-04-18 Thread nemrodd
When i edit a page and modify something on it, then i save it, and the page with the modifications doesn't load. The address http://localhost/wiki?n=Main.HomePage keeps ?action=edit whereas it's supposed to be in a view mode, and the worse is that when i remove ?action=edit from the address, it

[pmwiki-users] ZAP/Acme: code-review, **looking for input**

2007-04-18 Thread J. Meijer
I'm doing a code review on ZAP, DAN gave me a go-ahead on this, and aim to make the code a bit more compact, legible, flexible and robust. In short I aim ZAP to attain some sort of final status, with issues on security and $pagename use resolved. I'm really looking for a group effort on

[pmwiki-users] Real drop-down, or pull-down menu for sidebar possible?

2007-04-18 Thread Jonathan Knight
Hello, Is there a way to create a true drop down list for the navigation bar, such that it expands either on hover over, or on click? Thanks for any advice, Jon -- Be generous to those who deserve it. Then be generous to those who don't. Then forget the distinction.

Re: [pmwiki-users] PHP/Linux/Hotmail: broken membership / mail() configuration

2007-04-18 Thread Neil Herber (nospam)
On 2007-04-18 J. Meijer is rumoured to have said: The system is configured to send mail. And the sending part works. It's just that gmail accepts them and hotmail does *not*. It throws 'm away, probably because of eagerly classifying it as spam. Note that it doesn't even appear as junkmail.

Re: [pmwiki-users] PHP/Linux/Hotmail: broken membership / mail() configuration

2007-04-18 Thread J. Meijer
--- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:52:38 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com Subject: Re: [pmwiki-users] PHP/Linux/Hotmail: broken membership / mail() configuration On 2007-04-18 J. Meijer is rumoured to have

Re: [pmwiki-users] PHP/Linux/Hotmail: broken membership / mail() configuration

2007-04-18 Thread Neil Herber (nospam)
On 2007-04-18 J. Meijer is rumoured to have said: That's the fun part: *no* rejects! Barring positive answers to the above questions, can you send me a direct email from the same engine so that I can look at the headers it generates? Not promising any solution, but I have an

Re: [pmwiki-users] query authorisation group with cond-markup

2007-04-18 Thread Sandy
noskule noskule at gmx.net writes: hi list Is it somehow possible to query if the loged-in user belongs to a certan authorisation group? To do something like (:if authid at admins {*$Group}.SideBar:)[[{*$Group}.SideBar?action=edit]] thanks for any hints nos I don't know about

Re: [pmwiki-users] WikiTrails and pagelists

2007-04-18 Thread Martin Fick
--- Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 10:20:57PM +0200, Roman wrote: I am not sure whether page wikitrail can read dynamically created ordered list. I would define template this way: [[#trailindex]] (:if equal {$FullName} {=$FullName}:)

Re: [pmwiki-users] New Acme recipe...

2007-04-18 Thread The Editor
On 4/18/07, the Other michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Hans -- you have not made any claims for ZAP insecurity -- but you have raised a lot of negative speculation and insinuation very loudly. As Dan has also done the same positively regarding ZAP, and returned the negative favor for FOX.

Re: [pmwiki-users] PHP/Linux/Hotmail: broken membership / mail() configuration

2007-04-18 Thread J. Meijer
Neil, I did notice a sensitivity to the body-text when testing. So your conclusion may be right: this may be spam. Yet my official Welcome message also doesn't get through. And it is really well-behaved :) I'm passing the info along and I'll get back with any result. Very much, thank

Re: [pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:25:20PM +, Sandy wrote: It is possible to condense the 6 lines into much less. [...] One possibility: Acme (alias ZAP). Advanced forms processing, member and file management, page editing and insertions, newsletters, shopping cart. Sandy proposes exactly what

Re: [pmwiki-users] PHP/Linux/Hotmail: broken membership / mail() configuration

2007-04-18 Thread Neil Herber (nospam)
On 2007-04-18 J. Meijer is rumoured to have said: Neil, I did notice a sensitivity to the body-text when testing. So your conclusion may be right: this may be spam. Yet my official Welcome message also doesn't get through. And it is really well-behaved :) I'm passing the info along and I'll

[pmwiki-users] Problem with notsosimple template

2007-04-18 Thread apastuszak
Hello everyone. I installed pmwiki for the first time this morning and am quite pleased with it. I am hoping to have it replace dokuwiki as our departments documentation portal. I decided to go with the notsosimple template and have customized it with a new top picture. The problem I am having

Re: [pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread the Other michael
What PM said about pages for recipes, yes. But... why does everybody seem to want to stick EVERYTHING into the cookbook? If only there was some way to rapidly create web-content that was organised into sub-groups. Christian has been very good with his EMacsModes group:

[pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
There's been a lot of discussion in the past about coming up with a rating system for cookbook recipes. Ben Wilson has a recipe at [2], but I wanted to try something even simpler. Take a look at http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/SimpleRating and tell me what you think. Pm

Re: [pmwiki-users] $action

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 4:05:17 PM, Nicholas wrote: If I can use... $action=='comment' ...to set a filter for what appears on the recent changes list. Would other/all recepies have similar action signatures that I can look for to add to the list of pages not included in the recent

Re: [pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread Martin Fick
I don't think that it is working right. The ratings are in order: 5-13230-15 minus the dups:5-13235 ordered by rank: 55332-1 But the recipe reports:55332 0XX strange, -Martin --- Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's been a lot of discussion in the

Re: [pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread Hans
Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 8:41:04 PM, Martin wrote: The ratings are in order: 5-13230-15 minus the dups:5-13235 ordered by rank: 55332-1 But the recipe reports:55332 0XX it counts the duplicates. duplicates are not excluded. ~Hans

Re: [pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:41:04PM -0700, Martin Fick wrote: I don't think that it is working right. The ratings are in order: 5-13230-15 minus the dups:5-13235 ordered by rank: 55332-1 But the recipe reports:55332 0XX The recipe doesn't look for duplicate

Re: [pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread The Editor
On 4/18/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:41:04PM -0700, Martin Fick wrote: I don't think that it is working right. The ratings are in order: 5-13230-15 minus the dups:5-13235 ordered by rank: 55332-1 But the recipe

Re: [pmwiki-users] Problem with notsosimple template

2007-04-18 Thread Roman
Edit pub\skins\notsosimple\notsosimple.css and add the following line: #wikiedit textarea { width:100%; } Roman On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. I installed pmwiki for the first time this morning and am quite pleased with it. I am hoping to have it

Re: [pmwiki-users] Problem with notsosimple template

2007-04-18 Thread apastuszak
Worked like a charm! Thank you! Andy Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless -Original Message- From: Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:29:30 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com Subject: Re: [pmwiki-users] Problem with notsosimple template Edit

Re: [pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:23:08PM -0400, The Editor wrote: On 4/18/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:41:04PM -0700, Martin Fick wrote: I don't think that it is working right. The ratings are in order: 5-13230-15 minus the dups:

Re: [pmwiki-users] MarkupExpressionsExtensions

2007-04-18 Thread The Editor
Second post on a couple problems with the Markup Expressions Extensions recipe, I'd like to resolve... On 4/16/07, The Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In trying to finish up this recipe I came up with a bug... if (! CondAuth($p, $HandleAuth['source'])) return ''; seems to fail

Re: [pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread Dr Fred C
Patrick R. Michaud wrote: There's been a lot of discussion in the past about coming up with a rating system for cookbook recipes. Ben Wilson has a recipe at [2], but I wanted to try something even simpler. Take a look at http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/SimpleRating and tell me what you

Re: [pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread Kathryn Andersen
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 01:47:53PM -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: There's been a lot of discussion in the past about coming up with a rating system for cookbook recipes. Ben Wilson has a recipe at [2], but I wanted to try something even simpler. Take a look at

Re: [pmwiki-users] Real drop-down, or pull-down menu for sidebar possible?

2007-04-18 Thread Roman
As to JumpBox, try both examples on http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Test/JumpBox. As to OptionMenu, I don't know about publicly available site that uses it. My site is behind firewall. Roman On 4/18/07, Jonathan Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Roman, Thanks for the tips. Can you direct me to a

Re: [pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, the Other michael wrote: What PM said about pages for recipes, yes. But... why does everybody seem to want to stick EVERYTHING into the cookbook? If only there was some way to rapidly create web-content that was organised into sub-groups. Christian has been very good

Re: [pmwiki-users] a simple rating system for recipes

2007-04-18 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, The Editor wrote: Just for simplicity's sake, I'd be inclined to give ratings of simply +1 to +5 (kind of like the PITS system). 1 would be opposed, 5 would be for, 3 would be neutral. Grading scales are troublesome... You can't be sure that 5 is the best and 1 is the

Re: [pmwiki-users] Summary lines in cookbook recipe info

2007-04-18 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:00:07AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, the Other michael wrote: In hindsight, and given that we don't have hierarchical groups, perhaps I should have placed the pages in a group called:

Re: [pmwiki-users] 2.2.0-beta36 release (pagelist template updates)

2007-04-18 Thread Martin Fick
--- Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will you consider adding something to help complete paging support now? ... I'm still looking into this, but my feeling is that the math recipe approach is overkill (and over complex). Examples of how to page by ten using {$?get_var}

[pmwiki-users] help with (:if and :) statement

2007-04-18 Thread Garth . J . McMillan
I'm trying to use the following statement: (:if !equal {$FullName} Main.HomePage {$Description} notoc :)(:*toc:)(:if:) However, only the Homepage doesn't display the (:*toc:), pages with a description of notoc, still display it. Both parts work correctly individually, so there is obviously

[pmwiki-users] done

2007-04-18 Thread beat rueedi
done __ beatrueedi.ch | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users