Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-09 Thread Richard Braun
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:14:03PM +0100, Christopher Slater-Walker wrote: On 6 Jun 2011, at 20:41, Chuck Swiger wrote: You almost certainly don't want to be implementing stateful rules for NTP traffic; you'll fill up the state table with lots of entries for no benefit, as UDP isn't

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-09 Thread Rob Janssen
Richard Braun wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:14:03PM +0100, Christopher Slater-Walker wrote: On 6 Jun 2011, at 20:41, Chuck Swiger wrote: You almost certainly don't want to be implementing stateful rules for NTP traffic; you'll fill up the state table with lots of entries for no

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-09 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Rob Janssen wrote: [ ... ] But this discussion was about a monitoring system that sends NTP requests from high-numbered ports to port 123 on a distant server. It certainly makes sense to use a connection tracking firewall on such a system, because if you want to

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-08 Thread John Winters
On 06/06/11 16:11, Vincent Schonau wrote: I see the same thing; it seems the monitor probe is not getting some of my return packets. Comparing the timestamps in the below tcpdump with those in the monitor CSV, I'm pretty sure I do see and respond to all requests, but some of my responses are

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-08 Thread Christopher Slater-Walker
It all seems to be working for me now. I'm seeing regular monitoring packets coming in, and my score in the beta system is 14.6. --ChrisSW On 6 Jun 2011, at 19:55, Anssi Johansson wrote: Ask Bjørn Hansen kirjoitti: On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:06, Koen Martens g...@sonologic.nl wrote: I just tried

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-08 Thread Christopher Slater-Walker
I don't know how ip6tables works, but most (all?) commercial firewalls I've worked with - which means Cisco and Checkpoint - maintain a connection in the connection table for UDP for a set period of time. Exactly how long that is, I can't actually remember right now. This is really a necessity

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-08 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jun 6, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Christopher Slater-Walker wrote: I don't know how ip6tables works, but most (all?) commercial firewalls I've worked with - which means Cisco and Checkpoint - maintain a connection in the connection table for UDP for a set period of time. They _can_ maintain UDP

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-08 Thread Christopher Slater-Walker
OK, I get it now...! That was a good explanation. Never having run a high-volume NTP server myself, I had not considered those facts. --ChrisSW On 8 Jun 2011, at 16:19, Richard Braun wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:14:03PM +0100, Christopher Slater-Walker wrote: On 6 Jun 2011, at 20:41,

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-08 Thread Martin v. Löwis
When it shows an unsuccessful poll, I don't see a query at that time, but I do typically see a couple of others at about the relevant time, perhaps 4 - 6 seconds apart. These ones don't appear in the monitor log. The most likely explanation is routing glitches. I'd try to establish a

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-08 Thread John Winters
On 08/06/11 19:43, Martin v. Löwis wrote: When it shows an unsuccessful poll, I don't see a query at that time, but I do typically see a couple of others at about the relevant time, perhaps 4 - 6 seconds apart. These ones don't appear in the monitor log. The most likely explanation is routing

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-07 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jun 7, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Rob Janssen wrote: You almost certainly don't want to be implementing stateful rules for NTP traffic; you'll fill up the state table with lots of entries for no benefit, as UDP isn't stateful. Just pass UDP 123 and ephemeral high ports in both directions.

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread John Winters
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 04:03:42 -0700, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com wrote: The system running http://www.beta.grundclock.com/ is now monitoring the IPv6 servers. If you added one, please have a look! I'm currently seeing about every other query packet getting no response and thus my score

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 06.06.2011 um 14:46 schrieb John Winters: On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 04:03:42 -0700, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com wrote: The system running http://www.beta.grundclock.com/ is now monitoring the IPv6 servers. If you added one, please have a look! I'm currently seeing about every other

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Arne Schwabe
On 06.06.2011 14:46, John Winters wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 04:03:42 -0700, Ask Bjørn Hansena...@develooper.com wrote: The system running http://www.beta.grundclock.com/ is now monitoring the IPv6 servers. If you added one, please have a look! I'm currently seeing about every other query

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Koen Martens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 03:20:14PM +0200, Peter Hessler wrote: On 2011 Jun 06 (Mon) at 13:46:43 +0100 (+0100), John Winters wrote: :I'm currently seeing about every other query packet getting no response :and thus my score (after a brief flirtation

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Tilman Giese
Same here on two different servers, both with native IPv6 connections. The scores were up to -15.0 but are now back to -30.0. --Tilman Am 06.06.2011 um 15:20 schrieb Peter Hessler: On 2011 Jun 06 (Mon) at 13:46:43 +0100 (+0100), John Winters wrote: :On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 04:03:42 -0700, Ask

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Vincent Schonau
I see the same thing; it seems the monitor probe is not getting some of my return packets. Comparing the timestamps in the below tcpdump with those in the monitor CSV, I'm pretty sure I do see and respond to all requests, but some of my responses are getting lost or ignored. V. --

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Anssi Johansson
John Winters kirjoitti: On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 04:03:42 -0700, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com wrote: The system running http://www.beta.grundclock.com/ is now monitoring the IPv6 servers. If you added one, please have a look! I'm currently seeing about every other query packet getting no

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread John Winters
On 06/06/11 16:11, Vincent Schonau wrote: I see the same thing; it seems the monitor probe is not getting some of my return packets. Comparing the timestamps in the below tcpdump with those in the monitor CSV, I'm pretty sure I do see and respond to all requests, but some of my responses are

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Anssi Johansson
Ask Bjørn Hansen kirjoitti: On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:06, Koen Martens g...@sonologic.nl wrote: I just tried adding my server to the beta pool (it's on ipv6), but the beta server claims not to get a response. tcpdump does show me an incoming ntp packet as well as an outgoing packet in reply.

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Jun 6, 2011, at 5:46, John Winters wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 04:03:42 -0700, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com wrote: The system running http://www.beta.grundclock.com/ is now monitoring the IPv6 servers. If you added one, please have a look! I'm currently seeing about every other

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: ip6tables on Linux doesn't seem to have state tracking and it appears I messed up the firewall rules a bit. I realized it last night actually as I was going to bed, but it was already crazy o'clock. I will get them fixed within an hour

Re: [Pool] IPv6 monitoring enabled in beta pool - is it just me?

2011-06-06 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:55, Anssi Johansson wrote: ip6tables on Linux doesn't seem to have state tracking and it appears I messed up the firewall rules a bit. I realized it last night actually as I was going to bed, but it was already crazy o'clock. I will get them fixed within an hour