[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-26 Thread raf via Postfix-users
On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 01:05:10PM +1300, Peter via Postfix-users wrote: > On 25/03/23 11:50, raf via Postfix-users wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 09:11:58AM +1300, Peter via Postfix-users > > wrote: > > > > > * Don't add a Reply-To:. I actually question if this is really needed as > >

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-26 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas via Postfix-users
Peter via Postfix-users skrev den 2023-03-26 01:05: Mailman has a setting that addresses this, reply_goes_to_list. According to mm docs, this adds the original From: address as a CC On 26.03.23 01:55, Benny Pedersen via Postfix-users wrote: there will be a day when mailman dont sink ships, so

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-25 Thread Benny Pedersen via Postfix-users
Peter via Postfix-users skrev den 2023-03-26 01:05: Mailman has a setting that addresses this, reply_goes_to_list. According to mm docs, this adds the original From: address as a CC there will be a day when mailman dont sink ships, so titanik survived it, if just mailman was called AFTER

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-25 Thread Peter via Postfix-users
On 25/03/23 11:50, raf via Postfix-users wrote: On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 09:11:58AM +1300, Peter via Postfix-users wrote: * Don't add a Reply-To:. I actually question if this is really needed as we likely want replies to go to the list the vast majority of time anyways. I have seen other

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-24 Thread Scott Kitterman via Postfix-users
On March 24, 2023 10:50:35 PM UTC, raf via Postfix-users wrote: >On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 09:11:58AM +1300, Peter via Postfix-users > wrote: > >> * Don't add a Reply-To:. I actually question if this is really needed as we >> likely want replies to go to the list the vast majority of time

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-24 Thread raf via Postfix-users
On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 09:11:58AM +1300, Peter via Postfix-users wrote: > * Don't add a Reply-To:. I actually question if this is really needed as we > likely want replies to go to the list the vast majority of time anyways. I > have seen other lists explicitly exclude this step and it works

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-12 Thread Benny Pedersen via Postfix-users
Ralf Hildebrandt via Postfix-users skrev den 2023-03-12 16:10: * Patrick Ben Koetter via Postfix-users : approach to subscriber self management. Once you've become a registered MLM platform participant you can easily change settings that will apply to all lists you've subscribed to in one

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-12 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt via Postfix-users
* Patrick Ben Koetter via Postfix-users : > approach to subscriber self management. Once you've become a registered > MLM platform participant you can easily change settings that will apply to all > lists you've subscribed to in one place. I consider that a great usability > benefit for

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-10 Thread Scott Kitterman via Postfix-users
On Friday, March 10, 2023 7:04:30 AM EST Patrick Ben Koetter via Postfix-users wrote: > * Gerald Galster via Postfix-users : > > > >>> This list uses Mailman configuration settings, not handcrafted code. > > >>> If people believe that it is worthwhile to change the Mailman > > >>> implementation

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-10 Thread Gerald Galster via Postfix-users
> * Patrick Ben Koetter via Postfix-users : > >> * Gerald Galster via Postfix-users > >: >> I just wrote that because p@rick (sys4 AG) asked on the mailop mailinglist >> 2023-02-17 "Should mailing list messages be DKIM signed? (ARC / DKIM)". >> He was about to

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-10 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter via Postfix-users
* Gerald Galster via Postfix-users : > >>> This list uses Mailman configuration settings, not handcrafted code. > >>> If people believe that it is worthwhile to change the Mailman > >>> implementation or the DMARC spec, then I suggest that they work > >>> with the people responsible for that. > >>

[pfx] Re: [P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas via Postfix-users
Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing list emails? The problem I see is many people will hit reply in their email client which will create an email from them to the author, bypassing the mailing list. This has also happened before when someone 'r'eplied to the

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Gerald Galster via Postfix-users
>>> This list uses Mailman configuration settings, not handcrafted code. >>> If people believe that it is worthwhile to change the Mailman >>> implementation or the DMARC spec, then I suggest that they work >>> with the people responsible for that. >> >> There is no need for changing

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users
Jaroslaw Rafa wrote in <20230309222044.ga19...@rafa.eu.org>: |Dnia 9.03.2023 o godz. 21:39:10 Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users pisze: |>|With changing From: to point to the list itself and adding Reply-To: |>|pointing to the author this behaviour hasn't changed. I'm still replying \ |>|to

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via Postfix-users
Dnia 9.03.2023 o godz. 21:39:10 Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users pisze: > |With changing From: to point to the list itself and adding Reply-To: > |pointing to the author this behaviour hasn't changed. I'm still replying to > |the author when I press R and to the list when I press Shift+L. >

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in <20230309210623.0mekl%stef...@sdaoden.eu>: ... |This is the crux with email as it is, if they would have invented |something MIME-alike at the very beginning, and messages would |really be enveloped entirely, and enveloped entirely, etc., as in |old times, where

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
Gerald Galster via Postfix-users: > > This list uses Mailman configuration settings, not handcrafted code. > > If people believe that it is worthwhile to change the Mailman > > implementation or the DMARC spec, then I suggest that they work > > with the people responsible for that. > > There is

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Gerald Galster via Postfix-users
> They add their own DKIM on top, aka "put an envelope" around "the > message", therefore the mail can be verified (to be from them). That's my point. I do not see a lot of benefit to verify a sender across a *discussion list*. Broken DKIM mails are usually rejected by mta before reaching

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users
Gerald Galster wrote in <4339792b-b58d-4c42-a836-1e71e0eb6...@gcore.biz>: |> This list uses Mailman configuration settings, not handcrafted code. |> If people believe that it is worthwhile to change the Mailman |> implementation or the DMARC spec, then I suggest that they work |> with the

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Peter via Postfix-users
On 10/03/23 09:22, Wietse Venema via Postfix-users wrote: This list uses Mailman configuration settings, not handcrafted code. If people believe that it is worthwhile to change the Mailman implementation or the DMARC spec, then I suggest that they work with the people responsible for that. How

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Gerald Galster via Postfix-users
> This list uses Mailman configuration settings, not handcrafted code. > If people believe that it is worthwhile to change the Mailman > implementation or the DMARC spec, then I suggest that they work > with the people responsible for that. There is no need for changing implementations, it's

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Benny Pedersen via Postfix-users
Matthew McGehrin via Postfix-users skrev den 2023-03-09 21:07: The Reply-To has always been the original poster for 10+ years. No sense changing it now. :) its just not safe to dkim sign if maillists stop breaking dkim it would be lots better X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.1 required=5.0

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users
Jaroslaw Rafa wrote in <20230309195933.ga16...@rafa.eu.org>: |Dnia 9.03.2023 o godz. 13:34:39 postfix--- via Postfix-users pisze: |> Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing \ |> list emails? |> The problem I see is many people will hit reply in their email

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
This list uses Mailman configuration settings, not handcrafted code. If people believe that it is worthwhile to change the Mailman implementation or the DMARC spec, then I suggest that they work with the people responsible for that. Wietse ___

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Peter via Postfix-users
On 10/03/23 09:12, Gerald Galster via Postfix-users wrote: Many email clients have a "Reply List" option which goes to the address in the List-Post: header. Thunderbird has a "Smart Reply" button that when displaying a message with List-Post: defaults to "Reply List". I've found that hiding

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Peter via Postfix-users
On 10/03/23 09:07, Matthew McGehrin via Postfix-users wrote: Hi Peter. The Reply-To has always been the original poster for 10+ years. No sense changing it now. :) On the contrary, this is the perfect time to change it, if we're going to change it. We've already made a number of changes to

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Gerald Galster via Postfix-users
>> Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing list >> emails? >> The problem I see is many people will hit reply in their email client which >> will create an email from them to the author, bypassing the mailing list. >> Unless they remember to manually alter the To:

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Peter via Postfix-users
On 10/03/23 08:50, Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users wrote: Wietse Venema via Postfix-users wrote in <4pxdmb1f8fzj...@spike.porcupine.org>: |postfix--- via Postfix-users: |> Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing \ |> list emails? |> The problem I see is

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Matthew McGehrin via Postfix-users
Hi Peter. The Reply-To has always been the original poster for 10+ years. No sense changing it now. :) Matthew On 3/9/2023 1:08 PM, Peter via Postfix-users wrote: On 10/03/23 07:34, postfix--- via Postfix-users wrote: Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread postfix--- via Postfix-users
The very much worth reading RFC 9057 of Dave Crocker defines an Author: field... I like that idea better than my suggestion of footer or x-header. ___ Postfix-users mailing list -- postfix-users@postfix.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via Postfix-users
Dnia 9.03.2023 o godz. 13:34:39 postfix--- via Postfix-users pisze: > Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing list > emails? > The problem I see is many people will hit reply in their email client which > will create an email from them to the author, bypassing the

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread postfix--- via Postfix-users
Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing list emails? The problem I see is many people will hit reply in their email client which will create an email from them to the author, bypassing the mailing list. Unless they remember to manually alter the To: field to keep

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users
Wietse Venema via Postfix-users wrote in <4pxdmb1f8fzj...@spike.porcupine.org>: |postfix--- via Postfix-users: |> Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing \ |> list emails? |> The problem I see is many people will hit reply in their email client \ |> which will

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Peter via Postfix-users
On 10/03/23 07:34, postfix--- via Postfix-users wrote: Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing list emails? The problem I see is many people will hit reply in their email client which will create an email from them to the author, bypassing the mailing list. Unless

[P-U] Re: New List Host and Reply-to Header

2023-03-09 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
postfix--- via Postfix-users: > Is it the best idea to add a reply-to header to the author on mailing list > emails? > The problem I see is many people will hit reply in their email client which > will create an email from them to the author, bypassing the mailing list. > Unless they remember to