Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-08 Thread Jan-Frode Myklebust
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 06:38:15PM -0500, Noel Jones wrote: If you have customers sending large amounts of abusive mail, seems as if there would be better ways to deal with that eg. sender quotas, monitoring of undeliverable mail, inbound spam/virus scanning, etc. But I'm not an ISP; I can

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-08 Thread Mikael Bak
Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: and I still fail to understand how controlling your customers envelope sender will help with backscatterer.org. It will make sure that when viruses/malware on the customers computer is sending out spam from fake addresses, the bounces goes back to the customer

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-08 Thread Frank Doege
On 09/08/2010 12:36 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 08:20:36PM +0200, Jeroen Geilman wrote: On 09/07/2010 06:57 PM, mouss wrote: OP is an ISP providing outbound relay to residential users. his problem is not easy to solve. Thanks for understanding. I´ve gotten

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-08 Thread mouss
Le 07/09/2010 23:36, Jan-Frode Myklebust a écrit : On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 08:20:36PM +0200, Jeroen Geilman wrote: On 09/07/2010 06:57 PM, mouss wrote: OP is an ISP providing outbound relay to residential users. his problem is not easy to solve. Thanks for understanding. I´ve gotten

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-08 Thread mouss
Le 08/09/2010 10:44, Jan-Frode Myklebust a écrit : On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 06:38:15PM -0500, Noel Jones wrote: If you have customers sending large amounts of abusive mail, seems as if there would be better ways to deal with that eg. sender quotas, monitoring of undeliverable mail, inbound

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-07 Thread Jan-Frode Myklebust
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 06:29:28PM -0500, Noel Jones wrote: I fail to see how controlling your users From: addresses will affect a backscatterer.org listing. I'm thinking we can accept sending some backscatter to our own customers, at least as long as it's authenticated backscatter and we can

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-07 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/7/2010 2:32 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 06:29:28PM -0500, Noel Jones wrote: I fail to see how controlling your users From: addresses will affect a backscatterer.org listing. I'm thinking we can accept sending some backscatter to our own customers, at least as

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-07 Thread mouss
Le 07/09/2010 16:17, Noel Jones a écrit : On 9/7/2010 2:32 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 06:29:28PM -0500, Noel Jones wrote: I fail to see how controlling your users From: addresses will affect a backscatterer.org listing. I'm thinking we can accept sending some

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-07 Thread Jeroen Geilman
On 09/07/2010 06:57 PM, mouss wrote: Le 07/09/2010 16:17, Noel Jones a écrit : On 9/7/2010 2:32 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 06:29:28PM -0500, Noel Jones wrote: I fail to see how controlling your users From: addresses will affect a backscatterer.org listing. I'm

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-07 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/7/2010 4:36 PM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 08:20:36PM +0200, Jeroen Geilman wrote: On 09/07/2010 06:57 PM, mouss wrote: OP is an ISP providing outbound relay to residential users. his problem is not easy to solve. Thanks for understanding. I´ve gotten

Re: set envelope sender = sasl authenticated user ?

2010-09-06 Thread Noel Jones
On 9/6/2010 5:56 PM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: We want to get our smarthosts off the backscatterer.org lists, but still needs to let our users send from addresses not under our control, so I was thinking of maybe of forcing all users that wants to send email from not-our-addresses to