Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
On 28 May 2020, at 15:59, Thomas wrote: > Am 28.05.20 um 23:48 schrieb @lbutlr: >> On 28 May 2020, at 15:29, Thomas wrote: >>> I of cource use my own domain where I pay for. >> Yes, but read the rest of what I wrote, especially the parts I've >> highlighted: >> Do not create a fake address with someone else's domain. Do not use >> mudomain.com because you neither own nor control mydomain.com > > Of cource I will not do! Iam using my own domains I have paid before and only > I control. OK, but I am ALSO talking about when posting to groups, as you did in this thread. > mydomain.com was only an example for this discussion. And that is my point, do not use this as an example; this is a real domain. For example domains you can use example.com example.net and example.net or, at least for now, .tld since .tld is not a top-level domain. -- What was it they said about gods? They wouldn't exist if there weren't people to believe in them? And that applied to everything. Reality was what went on inside people's heads. --Moving Pictures
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Am 23.05.20 um 18:00 schrieb Ralph Seichter: From: Thomas Mustermann with the address nore...@domain.tld being *unknown* on your MX. That should result in a generic 5xx rejection. If you want more control over the rejection message, you can use something like the following: # /etc/postfix/main.cf smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ... check_recipient_access pcre:/etc/postfix/recipient_access ... Hi, thanks, that I will try. Thomas
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Am 28.05.20 um 23:48 schrieb @lbutlr: On 28 May 2020, at 15:29, Thomas wrote: I of cource use my own domain where I pay for. Yes, but read the rest of what I wrote, especially the parts I've highlighted: Do not create a fake address with someone else's domain. Do not use mudomain.com because you neither own nor control mydomain.com Of cource I will not do! Iam using my own domains I have paid before and only I control. mydomain.com was only an example for this discussion. thanks Thomas
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Am 25.05.20 um 16:17 schrieb Jaroslaw Rafa: Dnia 25.05.2020 o godz. 14:33:36 Thomas pisze: FAX is much better because FAX is same as letter and working digital, nearly 100% yes or no. Email I did not know if it is arrived, [...] What do you actually want to achieve? Because from your messages it's hard to understand what do you actually want. Its legal thing Again, today I print out sign and fax. I got an paper with send OK, date, time and recipient fax number The signed paper will send with postage. So for normal business fax arrived one working day before. Today form legal point fax is OK for due date. Letter can be arrive later. I dont care if recipient has such an bad organisation that fax an/or letter will throw away. Thats not my problem. I dont have an fax number, so recipient has to use letter and stamp. Thats what I want. Same I want to have nearly with Email and so I have to find an way that he could not answer with Email, So the solution seemed to be use sender address nor...@myworkingdomain.com and NORPLY is unkown. His mess age will/can not leave his server, he got only 5XX. Hopefully I have explained it a little better then before. best regards Thomas When you send an email and you get a 250 response, it means your message has been delivered (of course it does not mean the recipient has actually read it - it may have been put to spam, but you said you don't care about that; BTW. the same applies also for fax or paper letter; someone may receive it, but throw it immediately to trash without reading). 250 reply code is basically the same as fax confirmation - fax also doesn't give you any guarantee that anybody has actually read your message. If you get another reply, like 4xx or 5xx, that means your message hasn't been delivered. If you'd use a working return email address, you would receive rejection messages in case your message hasn't been delivered. Rejection messages are "negative confirmations", ie. you get them only when your message HASN'T been delivered. If you get nothing in return, you may assume your message has been delivered. If you explictly DON'T want to have a working return address, you decided yourself that you don't want these "negative confirmations". So you have to check logs, that's your only option. It's as simple as that. What else do you want?
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
On 28 May 2020, at 15:29, Thomas wrote: > I of cource use my own domain where I pay for. Yes, but read the rest of what I wrote, especially the parts I've highlighted: Do not create a fake address with someone else's domain. Do not use mudomain.com because you neither own nor control mydomain.com ***and do not use mydoamin.com as a substitute for example.com** because, again, you neither own nor control mydomain.com. **Do not think that "my domain.com is obviously fake" because it is not** it is a valid domain and has been for 25 years. -- "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "Well, I think so, Brain, but snort no, no, it's too stupid!"
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Am 27.05.20 um 17:20 schrieb @lbutlr: As I said, use a valid domain THAT YOU CONTROL. Hi, I of cource use my own domain where I pay for. thanks
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
On 25 May 2020, at 11:47, Thomas wrote: > OK, I use now unkńown user NOREPLY > NOREPLY As I said, use a valid domain THAT YOU CONTROL. Do not create a fake address with someone else's domain. Do not use mudomain.com because you neither own nor control mydomain.com and do not use mydoamin.com as a substitute for example.com because, again, you neither own nor control mydomain.com. Do not think that "my domain.com is obviously fake" because it is not, it is a valid domain and has been for 25 years. -- "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "Uh, I think so, Brain, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental floss."
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Am 24.05.20 um 17:19 schrieb @lbutlr: On 23 May 2020, at 08:52, Thomas wrote: or The norm is to use an address along the lines you describe there. I use no-reply@. Emails to that address are accepted and discarded. Do not use a fake domain or someone else's domain, of course. You can certainly have the address be invalid so it generates a rejection, but which you chose is really just up to you. OK, I use now unkńown user NOREPLY NOREPLY Domain must be valid, otherwise lots of Email server will not accept: Sender address rejected: Domain not found (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Same as my server:) smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, thanks Thomas
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Dnia 25.05.2020 o godz. 14:33:36 Thomas pisze: > > FAX is much better because FAX is same as letter and working > digital, nearly 100% yes or no. Email I did not know if it is > arrived, [...] What do you actually want to achieve? Because from your messages it's hard to understand what do you actually want. When you send an email and you get a 250 response, it means your message has been delivered (of course it does not mean the recipient has actually read it - it may have been put to spam, but you said you don't care about that; BTW. the same applies also for fax or paper letter; someone may receive it, but throw it immediately to trash without reading). 250 reply code is basically the same as fax confirmation - fax also doesn't give you any guarantee that anybody has actually read your message. If you get another reply, like 4xx or 5xx, that means your message hasn't been delivered. If you'd use a working return email address, you would receive rejection messages in case your message hasn't been delivered. Rejection messages are "negative confirmations", ie. you get them only when your message HASN'T been delivered. If you get nothing in return, you may assume your message has been delivered. If you explictly DON'T want to have a working return address, you decided yourself that you don't want these "negative confirmations". So you have to check logs, that's your only option. It's as simple as that. What else do you want? -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub."
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Am 24.05.20 um 17:19 schrieb @lbutlr: On 23 May 2020, at 08:52, Thomas wrote: or The norm is to use an address along the lines you describe there. I use no-reply@. Emails to that address are accepted and discarded. Do not use a fake domain or someone else's domain, of course. You can certainly have the address be invalid so it generates a rejection, but which you chose is really just up to you. Hi, my FAX did not have an valid FAX sender number, that is no problem. but I got an confirmation that my fax is arrived with date/time and content first page. Letter will send additional. Email I have to use an attachment. FAX is much better because FAX is same as letter and working digital, nearly 100% yes or no. Email I did not know if it is arrived, Automatic Email conformation is not working until today or did changed? Or is accepted that I look into my log file to find an 2XX confirmation. No. I will try using norp...@mydomian.tld <> I do not care if recipient think my email is SPAM, that is not my problem. I do not want have recipient Emails on my server, because then I have confirmed with 2XX that I have accepted the Email and I have the problem. 5XX is much better for me. If I send Friday 11:00 AM my FAX is arrived Friday! Letter will arrive Monday or Tuesday. Of course depends on business if FAX is "point of legal" arrived. Of course only used for business what is usual. It has needed lots of years that FAX is accepted as an way to send an letter with confirmation date/time/content arrived. I do not want that recipient can send me in 30 sec an Email. He should use letter and stamp if I want. If letter head has postage, FAX and Email I can think Email is working same as FAX. Iam not an profesionell and surprised that recipient might be throwing away my Emails or did not read:) Funny if used on an officel letter head:) Of course Iam using Email, but I have the possibilty on an upper level to accept Email to mistersm...@office123.com or I can stop Emails to this address with 5XX /etc/postfix/access_sender mistersm...@office123.com differentEmails Or stop an complete domain sending me Emails /etc/postfix/virtual office123 REJECT use letter and stamp But standard should be my sended Email could not rply and Email server of recipient is not trying to connect my Email server. Thomas
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
On 23 May 2020, at 08:52, Thomas wrote: > or The norm is to use an address along the lines you describe there. I use no-reply@. Emails to that address are accepted and discarded. Do not use a fake domain or someone else's domain, of course. You can certainly have the address be invalid so it generates a rejection, but which you chose is really just up to you. It is also normal to put a note in the email somewhere that says "do not reply to this email" or "the email address does not accept mail" or "emails too this address are deleted unread" or words to that effect. If this is a LEGAL issue, however, your country may have specific regulations on what exactly you can and cannot do. For example, it may require you to keep email that is delivered, so you may want to out-right eject the mails. -- 'I knew the two of you would get along like a house on fire.' Screams, flames, people running for safety…
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
* Thomas: > Wie soll ich dann als Absenderadresse zum Ausdruck bringen das ich > keine Email rply wünsche. One of the simplest solution is sending mail with From: Thomas Mustermann with the address nore...@domain.tld being *unknown* on your MX. That should result in a generic 5xx rejection. If you want more control over the rejection message, you can use something like the following: # /etc/postfix/main.cf smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ... check_recipient_access pcre:/etc/postfix/recipient_access ... # /etc/postfix/recipient_access /^noreply\@domain\.tld$/ REJECT No replies please You can of course use a Hash type map instead of PCRE, this is just an example. -Ralph
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Thomas:
> Wie soll ich dann als Absenderadresse zum Ausdruck bringen das ich keine
> Email rply w?nsche.
Send email as nore...@example.com. Either let Postfix reject mail
for that address ('user unknown'), or set up a 'sink hole' alias.
/etc/postfix/main.cf:
virtual_alias_maps =
inline:{{nore...@example.com = whatever}}
smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
...stuff...
reject_unauth_destination
inline:{{nore...@example.com = discard}}
...stuff...
Of course hash: maps work for this, too.
Wietse
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
On 2020/05/23 08:11 AM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 02:02:52PM +0200, Thomas wrote: ich sende ab und an etwas an Ämter vorab. Die kommen mittlerweile sogar mit pdf zurecht! Leider sprechen wir hier (postfix-users) nur Englisch. Deutsch have ich nicht so gut in der Schule gelernt. :-( Es macht nichts. Wir haben alle zugriff auf Google Translate. (-;
Re: noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 02:02:52PM +0200, Thomas wrote: > ich sende ab und an etwas an Ämter vorab. Die kommen mittlerweile sogar > mit pdf zurecht! Leider sprechen wir hier (postfix-users) nur Englisch. Deutsch have ich nicht so gut in der Schule gelernt. :-( -- Viktor.
noreply email technisch und für Empfänger zum Ausdruck bringen
Hallo, ich sende ab und an etwas an Ämter vorab. Die kommen mittlerweile sogar mit pdf zurecht! Vorab per Email (früher vorab per FAX), steht auch so im Briefkopf und dann zusätzlich als normalen Brief. Manchmal eben auch per Einschreiben statt Brief, kommt auf die Üblichkeit/Wichtigkeit an. Wie soll ich dann als Absenderadresse zum Ausdruck bringen das ich keine Email rply wünsche. norp...@mydomian.tld <> und dann auf meinen Mailserver 4XX oder 5XX wenn da was zurückkommen sollte. Bitte keine Diskussionen über Fristwahrung, wirksam zugestellt, etc. da gibt es Doktorarbeiten drüber. Gruß
