Golden Parachute
On 5/20/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chet Gardiner wrote:
> > (and
> > had to pay his huge severance)
> I must learn how to get that kind of job...you know, the one where you
> get a huge severance after they cut you loose. The "Golden Handshake"
> as i
You have to be full of bull-bleep -- up to your eyelids.
MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Chet Gardiner wrote:
>
>> (and
>> had to pay his huge severance)
>>
> I must learn how to get that kind of job...you know, the one where you
> get a huge severance after they cut you loose. The "Go
Chet Gardiner wrote:
> (and
> had to pay his huge severance)
I must learn how to get that kind of job...you know, the one where you
get a huge severance after they cut you loose. The "Golden Handshake"
as its called, right?
--
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB Software Solutions, LLC
http://mbsoft
Chet Gardiner wrote:
> The last large corporations I worked for:
>
> 1) Had a wonderful "long range plan".
>
> Their "long range" plan was to replace their core business software with
> the "state of the art" in order to impress Wall St. This software was
> running in FoxPro Dos and FPW with
The last large corporations I worked for:
1) Had a wonderful "long range plan".
Their "long range" plan was to replace their core business software with
the "state of the art" in order to impress Wall St. This software was
running in FoxPro Dos and FPW with some VFP. Those of us in the Fox
MM said -
> And what is "the good employee?" Someone who does dumb things for
> money, or someone who tries to give their expertise to save the
> company from doing dumb things?
Michael - wasn't this posting supposed to be about contracting?
Typically an employee isn't a contractor, and vice-versa
Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> And what is "the good employee?" Someone who does dumb things for
> money, or someone who tries to give their expertise to save the
> company from doing dumb things?
I find that if you have the ability to present to the people you "think" are
in power you are half wa
And it's a good use. I've done that myself. Screw up
a field and retrieve it from backup with a relation
set to recno()
--- Peter Cushing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > I meant in an application that was in use by 100s
> of
> > users.
> >
> > One record gets out-of-wh
Michael Madigan wrote:
> I meant in an application that was in use by 100s of
> users.
>
> One record gets out-of-whack and the whole system goes
> down. LOL
>
>
As soon as one file is packed and there are deleted records this would
not work. That was about the only time I have seen a use for
I meant in an application that was in use by 100s of
users.
One record gets out-of-whack and the whole system goes
down. LOL
--- Peter Cushing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > The worst Foxpro programming I've ever seen was
> when
> > the nitwit had a relation set to rec
> use yesterday\a_sname alias old && yesterdays table
> select 0
> use a_sname alias sname
> set relation to recn() into old
> replace all sn_account with old.sn_account
>
> Hey presto you have all your PK's back. Anyone think of a better way of
> doing that?
>
>Peter
update a_sname set sn_
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Subject: Re: [NF] I love contracting!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> You guys need to remember that the reason foxbase, foxplus, foxpro, vfp,
> etc. took off so dramatically is that it gave the engineers (NOT IT
People)
> the ability to develop s
John Weller wrote:
> Yes - make her type them all back in by hand! :-)
>
> Seriously though, I'd never have thought of that. I'd have done a scan loop
> with a seek() but yours is much better. I tend to avoid relations as they
> have bit me in the past, pure laziness on my part I accept.
>
>
Yes - make her type them all back in by hand! :-)
Seriously though, I'd never have thought of that. I'd have done a scan loop
with a seek() but yours is much better. I tend to avoid relations as they
have bit me in the past, pure laziness on my part I accept.
John Weller
01380 723235
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Michael Madigan wrote:
> The worst Foxpro programming I've ever seen was when
> the nitwit had a relation set to recno()
>
This does have uses and the best example I can think of is when one of
our trainers was updating some data in a table using foxpro 2.6 (She
wasn't a programmer - enough sa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> You guys need to remember that the reason foxbase, foxplus, foxpro, vfp,
> etc. took off so dramatically is that it gave the engineers (NOT IT People)
> the ability to develop solutions that the IT departments weren't or couldn't
> deliver
Derek Kalweit wrote:
>> As an employee he had very
>> little choice but he made his displeasure known by putting a header on every
>> program and method stating that he had not designed this system and not
>> accepting any responsibility for the design.
>
> So I'm not the only person to put that k
At 2007-05-17 22:45, you wrote:
> > nitwit had a relation set to recno()
>
>Uh, what could possibly be wrong with that? It worked, did it not ...
It works, by design, quoting the helpfile:
The child table must be indexed unless the relational expression is
numeric. Visual FoxPro displays an err
PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] I love contracting!
>
>
> That's funny. I've never done that, but I should.
>
> The worst Foxpro programming I've ever seen was when
> the nitwit had a relation set to recno()
>
>
> --- Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL
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Subject: Re: [NF] I love contracting!
That's funny. I've never done
Derek Kalweit wrote:
>> As an employee he had very
>> little choice but he made his displeasure known by putting a header on every
>> program and method stating that he had not designed this system and not
>> accepting any responsibility for the design.
>>
>
> So I'm not the only person to put
That's funny. I've never done that, but I should.
The worst Foxpro programming I've ever seen was when
the nitwit had a relation set to recno()
--- Derek Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As an employee he had very
> > little choice but he made his displeasure known by
> putting a header
> As an employee he had very
> little choice but he made his displeasure known by putting a header on every
> program and method stating that he had not designed this system and not
> accepting any responsibility for the design.
So I'm not the only person to put that kinda comment in code ;-)
Wow.
IT's amazing how bad some programs are.
I don't consider myself a top programmer, mostly a
jack-of-all-trades, but I know bad when I see it.
--- John Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I worked on an app which had been designed by the
> client (badly) and coded
> by the senior progra
I worked on an app which had been designed by the client (badly) and coded
by the senior programmer (before my time). As an employee he had very
little choice but he made his displeasure known by putting a header on every
program and method stating that he had not designed this system and not
acce
Pick two!" I have found that is a good place to start when opening
discussions.
Gil
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:12 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:
I know, but I can't help but feel i'm more than an
"electronic ditch-digger".
--- Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> > Am I the only one that gets frustrated when they
> do the project
> > incorrectly?
> >
> > I don't care how long I get paid big bucks, i
And what is "the good employee?" Someone who does
dumb things for money, or someone who tries to give
their expertise to save the company from doing dumb
things?
--- Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > Am I the only one that
Ted Roche <> wrote:
>
> There's the line between a contractor and a consultant. Contractors
> are under contract to do what they are told. Consultants come in to
> consult with the client in the decision-making process.
Yep, the SSIA doesn't it?
I am hired help for a company with 50+ VB apps
On 5/17/07, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am I the only one that gets frustrated when they do
> the project incorrectly?
Nope. I'm very picky about projects I take. "I regret far more the
gigs I've taken than the ones I've turned down."
If your Spider-Sense is tingling when you're
On 5/17/07, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You forget the golden rule Michael. The one with the gold rules. If they
> want it bass ackwards then that is what they WANT me to do. They have
> someone in charge you are supposed to follow the directions. Unless they
> are paying yo
On 5/16/07, Stephen Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am two days into a new contract with "another big name company".
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Subject: Re: [NF] I love contracting!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Madigan
wrote:
> Am I the only one that gets frustrated when they do
> the project incorrectly?
No, you're not the only one. But I've found that that is usually the reason
why my contracts
Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> Am I the only one that gets frustrated when they do the project
> incorrectly?
>
> I don't care how long I get paid big bucks, if it's being done in a
> stupid way, I get frustrated by it.
Said by a single man. ;->
You forget the golden rule Michael. The one with
Alan Bourke <> wrote:
> Stephen the Cook wrote:
>> Hopefully it's a two to three year gig.
>>
>
> I hope you cackled with evil glee?
Wink wink. What are you saying?
Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
"A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Am I the only one that gets frustrated when they do
> the project incorrectly?
No, you're not the only one. But I've found that that is usually the reason
why my contracts don't get extended. I start caring about the project
succeeding an
I had a manager who wanted me to write some specs which were mainly tabular
data in Excel as he didn't know how to use tables in Word :-)
John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631
>
> I did a contract for a grocery chain here in texas one year.
> They were doing it in vfp 3 or 5, whatever was out at
Stephen the Cook wrote:
> Hopefully it's a two to three year gig.
>
I hope you cackled with evil glee?
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Am I the only one that gets frustrated when they do
the project incorrectly?
I don't care how long I get paid big bucks, if it's
being done in a stupid way, I get frustrated by it.
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Stephen the Cook wrote:
> john harvey <> wrote:
>
>> And you are complaining because they want to keep you working for a
>> long time? At least I get to code in VFP 9 and redo it in vb.net!
>>
>
> Complaining, no! I am laughing all the way to the bank.
>
>
Local to you (in your regular
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Virgil Bierschwale <> wrote:
> I did a contract for a grocery chain here in texas one year.
> They were doing it in vfp 3 or 5, whatever w
Chet Gardiner <> wrote:
> Is this because they keep choosing the wrong platform.
>
> Maybe it should have been done in VFP in the first place
> :-)
With this org it is either java, c or , VB6.
Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
"A good way to judge peo
Is this because they keep choosing the wrong platform.
Maybe it should have been done in VFP in the first place:-)
Stephen Russell wrote:
> I am two days into a new contract with "another big name company". Well at
> the end of today I got word that my project changed about 80% from what it
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john harvey <> wrote:
> And you are complaining because they want to keep you working for a
> long time? At least I get to code in VFP 9 and redo it in vb.net!
Complaining, no! I am laughing all the way to the bank.
Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
"A good wa
Virgil Bierschwale <> wrote:
> I did a contract for a grocery chain here in texas one year.
> They were doing it in vfp 3 or 5, whatever was out at the time and
> they brought a new manager in.
>
> He told us, I know how to use access files, stop what you're doing
> and put it in access.
>
> Ma
And you are complaining because they want to keep you working for a long
time?
At least I get to code in VFP 9 and redo it in vb.net!
JH
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I did a contract for a grocery chain here in texas one year.
They were doing it in vfp 3 or 5, whatever was out at the time and they
brought a new manager in.
He told us, I know how to use access files, stop what you're doing and put
it in access.
Many of the managers don't worry about the cost's
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