Re: [OT] How do you use power?
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Ricardo Araoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmmm besides the real point. What Richmond vulture is telling you is that those scriptures may be used whichever way you see fit. You want to follow a certain path? Ok, then pick those that fit that path and forget the rest. What a crock of bullshit! Why don't you people take responsibility for your actions instead of dropping it over some old books? -- I at least reference the segment with in the Chapter, instead of just citing a verse to make my point. Last night I started a very high brow Philosophy Religion course and find that my Philosophy knowledge is in the null environment. I can grasp the authors point being made, I just fail to comprehend the major supporting references within the paragraphs. I have to start somewhere, and the leader is very knowledgeable and has a PhD in Philosophy so he explains these points for the 1/2 of us that don't get it yet. This is the book we are using. http://tinyurl.com/3qkx5j I knew I was in trouble when I read the Preface to the Latest edition. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] How do you use power?
From Today's reading. Luke 9:1-6 1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them. 6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere. Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
Stephen Russell wrote: From Today's reading. Luke 9:1-6 1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them. 6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere. Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way. Hi Stephen! How long can you wear tunics in the ME before they, and you, get smelly? Do we have authority over all demons and to cure diseases? I want to cure homosexuality and feminism this week, cancer and diabetes next week. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
Stephen Russell wrote: From Today's reading. Luke 9:1-6 1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them. 6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere. Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way. Yeah, and look what happened to him. He arose, we cannot. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way. It's kind of convenient to base a whole doctrine on one scripture. In this case you missed the cleansing of the temple where the shysters were physically chased from the premises. You might also consider that when the disciples were sent out after Jesus ministry was over, they were told to take a sword. How very violent in both cases. There were other cases, but that should get the thought process going. -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) message/rfc822 --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way. What a commie pinko fag. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way. It's kind of convenient to base a whole doctrine on one scripture. In this case you missed the cleansing of the temple where the shysters were physically chased from the premises. You might also consider that when the disciples were sent out after Jesus ministry was over, they were told to take a sword. How very violent in both cases. There were other cases, but that should get the thought process going. --- Cleaning of the Temple, OK let's discuss that. The force applied was to get attention of those around to see that the place of worship was foremost a convenience store in it's time. you came into the temple and you have to have a sacrifice. So you can buy birds, goats, Now of course the Euro was not available and each area in Judea as well as Israel had it's own currency. So you had to have the money changers so you could buy in Jerusalem. All in all Jesus was there to show the Jewish leaders that the were doing it wrong in the eyes of God. They had corrupted the law to verify that only they could comprehend it. Sounds like our torte system??? Anyway did Jesus harm anyone, or destroy the merchandise for sale? Or did he create the show to get people to understand the point he was making? Acts was written in the 70's and outside of The Rock Jesus didn't say much. ;) He may have inflicted blindness and then fixed it to get someones attention and all. ;- I'll have to question you on the sword reference. What passage are you referencing? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
Sounds like Ed is coming to Jesus. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Democrats. - Sarah Palin, Sept 4, 2008 Right Wing Mike http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] How do you use power? To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:30 PM On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way. What a commie pinko fag. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
Stephen Russell wrote: Cleaning of the Temple, OK let's discuss that. The force applied was to get attention of those around to see that the place of worship was foremost a convenience store in it's time. Why? He'd had multitudes around him for several days. and had the attention of all Jerusalem. Anyway did Jesus harm anyone, cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, (Mark 11:15) implies violence, but I suppose it doesn't explicitly say so. or destroy the merchandise for sale? Sounds like it. Bet a few doves had to be put down: Mathew: 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. Or did he create the show to get people to understand the point he was making? Why? He'd used parables and preaching to much greater success. I think it was simply a case of a long day, and a That's all I can stand, I can't STANDS no more! moment. I'll have to question you on the sword reference. What passage are you referencing? Probably either to Matthew: 10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Or to Luke: 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
Vince Teachout wrote: 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Hi Vince! One of the key verses of NRA members! -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Why? He'd used parables and preaching to much greater success. I think it was simply a case of a long day, and a That's all I can stand, I can't STANDS no more! moment. -- Sorry but the Son of God doesn't get excuses. I'll have to question you on the sword reference. What passage are you referencing? Probably either to Matthew: 10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Out of context it sounds bad, but when you add back in most of context: 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man's foes will be those of his own household. 37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it. 40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me. You see that he is saying that I am going to CHANGE the way things are. 39 40 give us the glimpse of what Jesus is intending. If we get the concept we should share it with others. Or to Luke: 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. This is a heads up to the 12, make that 11. It was easy for you while I have been here but after I leave things are going to change. Be prepared for a different crowd because you disciples are going to cause a ruckus where ever you go and people will want to kill you. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
On Sep 24, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Out of context it sounds bad, but when you add back in most of context: 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man's foes will be those of his own household. 37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it. 40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me. Oh, yeah - now he sounds like a peach. Talk about a massive insecurity complex. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
Stephen Russell wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Why? He'd used parables and preaching to much greater success. I think it was simply a case of a long day, and a That's all I can stand, I can't STANDS no more! moment. -- Sorry but the Son of God doesn't get excuses. You tell him that. I'll wait here and hold your hat. I'll have to question you on the sword reference. What passage are you referencing? Probably either to Matthew: 10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Out of context it sounds bad, I simply was answering your question literally. Those are the only 2 sword references spoken by Jesus in the Gospel, so it had to be one or both of them. (I agree with your interpretation, btw - in fact, I don't think there is any other reasonable interpretation.) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Russell wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Why? He'd used parables and preaching to much greater success. I think it was simply a case of a long day, and a That's all I can stand, I can't STANDS no more! moment. -- Sorry but the Son of God doesn't get excuses. You tell him that. I'll wait here and hold your hat. Think of him as the small child and Mary bragging about her son. He is so good, he is just like an Angel Now where is my hat? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] How do you use power?
Stephen Russell wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way. It's kind of convenient to base a whole doctrine on one scripture. In this case you missed the cleansing of the temple where the shysters were physically chased from the premises. You might also consider that when the disciples were sent out after Jesus ministry was over, they were told to take a sword. How very violent in both cases. There were other cases, but that should get the thought process going. --- Cleaning of the Temple, OK let's discuss that. The force applied was to get attention of those around to see that the place of worship was foremost a convenience store in it's time. you came into the temple and you have to have a sacrifice. So you can buy birds, goats, Now of course the Euro was not available and each area in Judea as well as Israel had it's own currency. So you had to have the money changers so you could buy in Jerusalem. All in all Jesus was there to show the Jewish leaders that the were doing it wrong in the eyes of God. They had corrupted the law to verify that only they could comprehend it. Sounds like our torte system??? Anyway did Jesus harm anyone, or destroy the merchandise for sale? Or did he create the show to get people to understand the point he was making? Acts was written in the 70's and outside of The Rock Jesus didn't say much. ;) He may have inflicted blindness and then fixed it to get someones attention and all. ;- I'll have to question you on the sword reference. What passage are you referencing? Mmmm besides the real point. What Richmond vulture is telling you is that those scriptures may be used whichever way you see fit. You want to follow a certain path? Ok, then pick those that fit that path and forget the rest. What a crock of bullshit! Why don't you people take responsibility for your actions instead of dropping it over some old books? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
