Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-28 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
KAM.covad wrote: We have had at least a dozen clients who want nothing to do with Vista, but have tried Linux (ubunto and redhat) and find it unusable - confusing - something like Vista?? If someone would make a user-friendly Linux, now is the time they could probably pick up a

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-28 Thread Alan Bourke
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:39:10 -0500, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Other BIG issue is that it is a whole new GUI and stuff is categorized differently, or hidden, or secured and now that gets in the way, Well in terms of moving and hiding things, they did that between 2000 and XP as

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-27 Thread Kevin Cully
I installed a dial-up modem and subscribed them to copper.net, and migrated their email and files, I admit. I'd have to do that, no matter what the OS though. -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Rick Schummer wrote: Yeah, but if I remember correctly a geek set it up for them. g

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-26 Thread Kevin Cully
My parents disagree. They love their Dell Ubuntu box. bg -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Paul McNett wrote: Linux will always be a platform for geeks. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-26 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: We are talking 20 years of progress since DOS was mainstream. The OS should not be hard to work with or install period. So that rules out Microsoft, eh? ;-) We literally should be talking to the computer and having it work for

RE: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-26 Thread Rick Schummer
I wonder why there was such a lack of progress for the masses? Perhaps this is due to a certain 93% of the market company deciding to wring profits for its shareholders instead of thinking of improving the state of computing? ROFL, the stockholders of the 93% market share company

RE: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-26 Thread Rick Schummer
My parents disagree. They love their Dell Ubuntu box. bg Yeah, but if I remember correctly a geek set it up for them. g Off to wire and wireless up my sister-in-law's computers. I hate this stuff. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-26 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Rick Schummer wrote: Off to wire and wireless up my sister-in-law's computers. I hate this stuff. The latest NetGear routers are super simple. My father (71) knows NOTHING of networking and he got it to work quickly/easily, and I don't think anyone helped him.

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-26 Thread KAM.covad
We have had at least a dozen clients who want nothing to do with Vista, but have tried Linux (ubunto and redhat) and find it unusable - confusing - something like Vista?? If someone would make a user-friendly Linux, now is the time they could probably pick up a significant share of the market.

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/07/24/microsoft-lies-to-xp-users-and-they-start-to-love-vista?bub I'm totally in agreement that a fair percentage of Vista-haters only hate it because they read on a load of

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Brian Abbott
Alan Bourke wrote: http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/07/24/microsoft-lies-to-xp-users-and-they-start-to-love-vista?bub I'm totally in agreement that a fair percentage of Vista-haters only hate it because they read on a load of forums and blogs that they should hate it. I

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Helio Wakasugui
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Brian Abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) if you're using it for work - as opposed to home - the eye candy is just distracting I don't know about you, but besides being distracting, Vista eye candy is bad taste stuff. HW -- Corruptissima re publica

RE: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Rick Schummer
I'm totally in agreement that a fair percentage of Vista-haters only hate it because they read on a load of forums and blogs that they should hate it. Me too. I also believe that most Vista problems come from upgrading underpowered hardware. I know, my world is not a scientific sample, but it

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Jeff Johnson
I don't know about users, but I used it for about a month exclusively for VFP development. I got so frustrated that I gave up and put Ubuntu on that system and went back to XP for development on my older system. It was for the same reasons I went to Open Office instead of Office 2007. What

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Vince Teachout
I have a sneaking suspicion, that if I were to test a Windows Vista box that had been carefully loaded onto a new high-powered machine, and tweaked for maximum performance by a team of Microsoft Engineers, who were standing by to answer any questions, I'd probably like it, too.

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Alan Bourke
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:02:21 -0400, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps. A large majority of US citizens drink Budweiser, and I can't understand that, either. Chemical-laden, over-carbonated soft drinks are popular everywhere, Ted! -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Ted Roche
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chemical-laden, over-carbonated soft drinks are popular everywhere, Ted! You're probably right, Alan. I'd never thought of Windows that way before. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm totally in agreement that a fair percentage of Vista-haters only hate it because they read on a load of forums and blogs that they should hate it. Me too. I also believe that most Vista problems come from upgrading

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Rick Schummer wrote: I'm totally in agreement that a fair percentage of Vista-haters only hate it because they read on a load of forums and blogs that they should hate it. Me too. I also believe that most Vista problems come from upgrading underpowered hardware. I know, my world is not a

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Vince Teachout wrote: I have a sneaking suspicion, that if I were to test a Windows Vista box that had been carefully loaded onto a new high-powered machine, and tweaked for maximum performance by a team of Microsoft Engineers, who were standing by to answer any questions, I'd probably like

RE: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Rick Schummer
Who's to blame for sticking that bad rep on M$? Is it Mac with those hilarious commercials, or perhaps the grassroots Linux folks, or the little green men? g Not sure there is any one person/entity you can point to, or if it is even necessary. Microsoft upper management made mistakes,

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Rick Schummer wrote: Who's to blame for sticking that bad rep on M$? Is it Mac with those hilarious commercials, or perhaps the grassroots Linux folks, or the little green men? g Not sure there is any one person/entity you can point to, or if it is even necessary. Microsoft upper

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Paul McNett
Rick Schummer wrote: The point is, lots of people are being sheep in this case. On the flip side, I bet lots of people lined up for an iPhone because they heard it was cool, not because they can benefit from the features and functionality. Apple was smart in herding in the sheep.

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Paul McNett wrote: Linux will always be a platform for geeks. People used to say that about DOS. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Paul McNett
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Paul McNett wrote: Linux will always be a platform for geeks. People used to say that about DOS. Which people? At the time DOS was heavily used, Unix would have been the platform for geeks... Paul

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jul 25, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Paul McNett wrote: People used to say that about DOS. Which people? At the time DOS was heavily used, Unix would have been the platform for geeks... Geeks were the ones who could write .BAT files and mess with stuff like QEMM. At the job I had

Re: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Vince Teachout
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jul 25, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Paul McNett wrote: People used to say that about DOS. DOS WAS for geeks. I was one of them. I still find it faster to work in DOS instead of a GUI. Which people? At the time DOS was heavily used, Unix would have been the

RE: [NF] Windows Mojave

2008-07-25 Thread Rick Schummer
Linux will always be a platform for geeks. People used to say that about DOS. Completely different era and hardly a decent comparison when we have so many options today and the OS has become ubiquitous. No OS manufacturer wanting their product to be adopted by the masses should make