Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail
> -Original Message- > From: Geoff Harland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:44 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail > > > > Yeah well I had a boss that just like that. They may be > > > shortsighted, but they are everywhere > > > > > > Tony Karavidas > > > > Yeah, short-sighted but never in short supply! 8^> > > I am sure we all have very similar war stories. > > > > Brad Velander > > > So I will give my best shot to getting the next version of > Protel. But it > would help things in that regard if Protel also comes to the > aid of the > party by releasing a new version which is not too buggy (or > bloated), and > which provides sufficient bug fixes/new features/enhanced > features/productivity enhancements to justify the expenditure > concerned. > > Regards, > Geoff Harland. Geoff, my reply was meant to be tongue-in-cheek only. As stated, I am sure we all have these stories. Your comments above do apply very aptly to the situation because each faux pas on Protel's part makes our arguments more difficult to sell. Not to mention that it is us who are eventually pinched between our design requirements and the fact that Protel provides technical support but will not patch or fix older versions for any 'significant' period past the next release. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail
> > > Geoff wrote > > > > I'm not sure how my boss would respond to a request from myself > > > > to purchase an upgraded version of Protel > > > > > > Tell you boss to price out any compitetors product and see if he has a > > > change of mind. That is the poorest argument I have ever heard > > > for boosting your productivity. I finnally convinced some designers > > > to start using 99SE over 98. One comment was 98 was a dinasour > > > by comparision, I tried to convince them a year ago, and now we are > > > ready for new version. I wonder what these dinaosur designers are > > > going to do next. > > > > > > Mike Reagan > > > > Yeah well I had a boss that just like that. They may be > > shortsighted, but they are everywhere > > > > Tony Karavidas > > Yeah, short-sighted but never in short supply! 8^> > I am sure we all have very similar war stories. > > Brad Velander I have reason to believe that I have a reasonable chance of having my request for upgrading Protel accepted, as opposed to a slim chance or no chance at all. That said, there are some factors which could result in my request being declined. The PCBs which I design are not "pushing the envelope" as far as Protel's capabilities are concerned, and I have managed to enhance the capabilities of the existing version of Protel by using the SDK files to create customised Processes within addon Servers. And there is a question mark over whether the next version of Protel will run on Windows 98 or not. At present, I am using Win 98 at work, and while I have heard noises to the effect that everyone will be upgrading to Win 2000 at some stage, there could be a problem in that regard if I am still using Win 98 when the next version of Protel is released, if that won't run on Win 98. However, I am not unhappy with my present employer, in spite of the fact that I am presently using Win 98, and that it is not absolutely certain that I will get to upgrade to the next version of Protel. Before I started my present job, I applied for a job with a company (, in one of Sydney's northern suburbs, ) which was still using Adv Pcb 2.8 at that time (and maybe still is). Ugh!!! (That was even worse than my previous employer, in that I was at least using Protel 3 at the time, even though it was not at all likely that I would ever have got to have upgraded to still later versions.) And if it was not uncool to bad-mouth past employers, I could tell assorted tales about some of mine... but I will resist the temptation, and all the more so (for this forum), given that the tales concerned are of a non-Protel nature. :) So I will give my best shot to getting the next version of Protel. But it would help things in that regard if Protel also comes to the aid of the party by releasing a new version which is not too buggy (or bloated), and which provides sufficient bug fixes/new features/enhanced features/productivity enhancements to justify the expenditure concerned. Regards, Geoff Harland. - E-Mail Disclaimer The Information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are confidential and not for public display. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail
Yeah, short-sighted but never in short supply! 8^> I am sure we all have very similar war stories. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com > -Original Message- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:40 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail > > > Yeah well I had a boss that just like that. They may be > shortsighted, but > they are everywhere * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail
Yeah well I had a boss that just like that. They may be shortsighted, but they are everywhere > -Original Message- > From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:24 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail > > > Geof wrote > >I'm not sure how my boss would respond to a request from myself > to purchase > an upgraded version of Protel< > > Tell you boss to price out any compitetors product and see if he has a > change of mind. That is the poorest argument I have ever heard > for boosting > your productivity. I finnally convinced some designers to start > using 99SE > over 98. One comment was 98 was a dinasour by comparision, I tried to > convince them a year ago, and now we are ready for new version. > I wonder > what these dinaosur designers are going to do next. > > Mike Reagan > EDSI > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.
At 05:38 PM 5/1/01 -0600, Jim Muehlberg wrote: >According to Rick Wilson, Manager of Corporate Services, from whom I >just received training at a seminar, the upgrade price will be $795 to >$995. Let's hope he's right. That would be very reasonable, and in line with previous upgrades. Of course, Protel does not force us to upgrade. In the past, there has been a service pack for the previous version after the next version came out. With P99, I waited, what, six months I think, before upgrading fro P98. I saved $300 (because of the special, which motivated me to move), but it postponed my use of 99's features for six months. So this time I don't think I'll wait. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.
Has everyone received the price increase flyer from Protel? I wonder how expensive our next 'upgrade' will be? Tony > -Original Message- > From: Andrew J Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:40 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Possible Protel & Win2K conflict. - possible fix > > > If indeed this is a systemic problem, then perhaps it is Protel > who should > iron out the bug, and subsequently report the appropriate registry fix to > our group, as well as issuing the fix as part of the next service pack > and/or as a stand-alone hot-patch. > > Has anyone notified them? Ken Heinrich? > > regards, > > aj > > (who HAS cc'd Protel...) > > On 08:51 AM 5/1/01 -0400, Ken Henrich said: > >Hi, > > > >I have done some more testing on the phenomena. First, I use > system backup > >to save all system files and the registry. Next I install Protel > 99se. After > >install, "MY COMPUTER/MANAGE" works. I reboot. Now "MY > COMPUTER/MANAGE" does > >not work. I restore the system files and the registry. Now it > works again. I > >install SP6. Now it does not work. I restore the system files and the > >registry. Now it works. Guess what? So does Protel! Here is my > suggestion: > > > >Backup system state with MS Backup > >Install Protel > >Install SP6 > >Restore system state with MS Backup > > > >Caveats: > >1. If your system is already degraded, this will not fix it. > >2. I have not done detailed investigations to know what this > does so there > >may be further surprizes. > > > > > 2.2 S E C O N D D R O P T O W E R > Andrew J JenkinsElectrical Engineer > National Center for Microgravity Research > NASA-Glenn Research Center MS 45-1 > 21000 Brookpark Rd, Cleveland OH 44135 > (216) 433-5001 fax:433-3793 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail
Geof wrote >I'm not sure how my boss would respond to a request from myself to purchase an upgraded version of Protel< Tell you boss to price out any compitetors product and see if he has a change of mind. That is the poorest argument I have ever heard for boosting your productivity. I finnally convinced some designers to start using 99SE over 98. One comment was 98 was a dinasour by comparision, I tried to convince them a year ago, and now we are ready for new version. I wonder what these dinaosur designers are going to do next. Mike Reagan EDSI * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.
Protel has listed the upgrade pricing on their web page Ron Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ted Tontis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:56 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail. I received the flyer too, It did not include the upgrade price. It was just the price increase of 99SE and the fact that they are offering camtastic with it. There was no mention of an upgrade, but I did talk to a sales rep a month or two ago and they informed me that Protel was working on something that should be released this month or the next. Did Protel offer a beta version of 99SE? Has anyone heard different? Ted -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:34 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail. At 12:01 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: >Has everyone received the price increase flyer from Protel? I wonder how >expensive our next 'upgrade' will be? I haven't. So how about sharing the information, Mr. Karavidas? Without that information, I'm going to guess that the next upgrade will be $1000 to $1500. Remember that Protel99/99SE was $995 at first, then on special for $695, then back to $995 until after the SE release, then the present $1495. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail
> According to Rick Wilson, Manager of Corporate Services, from whom I > just received training at a seminar, the upgrade price will be $795 to > $995. > > Jim Muehlberg Let's hope that the next version (apparently due for release some time this year) will have enough bug fixes and new/enhanced features to make the upgrade price worthwhile. I'm not sure how my boss would respond to a request from myself to purchase an upgraded version of Protel. That said, I would regard the provision of SDK files (with the new version) to be a very important factor, and if not right from the start, then as soon as possible afterwards, as in before the release of the first SP for the new version. (Such files were never released for use with the original version of Protel 99, and while they have been released for use with Protel 99 SE, they are still in a pre-release state, and as such, anyone who downloads these has to agree to comply with an associated NDA.) And while I don't object to Protel providing yet more services and Servers per se, this should not be at the expense of not improving the "core" Schematic, PCB, and Autoroute Servers as much as possible as well. I haven't seen any recent flyer myself, but I have visited Protel's Website recently. It seems that from July 1 this year, the pricing schedule for Protel 99 SE will change as follows: New license price: from US$5,995 to US$7,995. Protel 16-bit user upgrade price: from US$2,995 to US$3,995. Protel 98 user upgrade price: from US$1,495 to US$1,995. Protel has released a number of SPs for use with Protel 99 SE, and has not charged users for these; nor were users charged for Protel 99 SE if they had purchased Protel 99 previously, and nor were users charged for the CAMtastic! 2000 Designers Edition (first provided last year to those owning a copy of Protel 99 SE). But everyone is going to have to decide for themselves how to interpret a one-third increase in price for those purchasing (or upgrading to) Protel 99 SE after the end of June (this year)... Regards, Geoff Harland. - E-Mail Disclaimer The Information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are confidential and not for public display. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.
At 03:50 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: >Yeah I guess thas WAS kind of a teaser. > >The tools are going up $2000 starting in July (so it becomes.. what, >$8000?). Don't exaggerate. It would be $7995. :-) In that case, it would not be surprising to see the upgrade price be $1995. That would be a tad expensive; it would put Protel "maintenance" into the same range as other CAD systems, maybe even a bit more. On the other hand, the increased price may include, say, $500 for CAMtastic, so upgrade might be kept down to $1495. Funny, I thought $1495 was expensive until I chewed on $1995 for a bit. I can help people with "used" licenses, but it's not quite the same with upgrades. I can ease ya through the door, but ya still gotta pay the help. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > At 03:50 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: > >Yeah I guess thas WAS kind of a teaser. > > > >The tools are going up $2000 starting in July (so it becomes.. what, > >$8000?). > > Don't exaggerate. It would be $7995. :-) > > In that case, it would not be surprising to see the upgrade price be $1995. > That would be a tad expensive; it would put Protel "maintenance" into the > same range as other CAD systems, maybe even a bit more. > > On the other hand, the increased price may include, say, $500 for > CAMtastic, so upgrade might be kept down to $1495. Funny, I thought $1495 > was expensive until I chewed on $1995 for a bit. > > I can help people with "used" licenses, but it's not quite the same with > upgrades. I can ease ya through the door, but ya still gotta pay the help. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Abdulrahman Lomax > P.O. Box 690 > El Verano, CA 95433 According to Rick Wilson, Manager of Corporate Services, from whom I just received training at a seminar, the upgrade price will be $795 to $995. -- Jim Muehlberg Electrical Engineer LO/IF Group National Radio Astronomy Observatory P.O. Box O 1003 Lopezville Rd. Socorro, NM 87801 P: 505-835-7140/7195 F: 505-835-7027 http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~jmuehlbe * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.
Yeah I guess thas WAS kind of a teaser. The tools are going up $2000 starting in July (so it becomes.. what, $8000?). I guess it is time to buy if you were on the fence. I wonder what the incremental cost will be for the rest of us that own 99SE? I'm starting to save now... :0 Tony > -Original Message- > From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:34 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail. > > > At 12:01 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: > >Has everyone received the price increase flyer from Protel? I wonder how > >expensive our next 'upgrade' will be? > > I haven't. So how about sharing the information, Mr. Karavidas? > > Without that information, I'm going to guess that the next > upgrade will be > $1000 to $1500. Remember that Protel99/99SE was $995 at first, then on > special for $695, then back to $995 until after the SE release, then the > present $1495. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Abdulrahman Lomax > P.O. Box 690 > El Verano, CA 95433 > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.
I received the flyer too, It did not include the upgrade price. It was just the price increase of 99SE and the fact that they are offering camtastic with it. There was no mention of an upgrade, but I did talk to a sales rep a month or two ago and they informed me that Protel was working on something that should be released this month or the next. Did Protel offer a beta version of 99SE? Has anyone heard different? Ted -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:34 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail. At 12:01 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: >Has everyone received the price increase flyer from Protel? I wonder how >expensive our next 'upgrade' will be? I haven't. So how about sharing the information, Mr. Karavidas? Without that information, I'm going to guess that the next upgrade will be $1000 to $1500. Remember that Protel99/99SE was $995 at first, then on special for $695, then back to $995 until after the SE release, then the present $1495. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel flyer in the mail.
At 12:01 PM 5/1/01 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: >Has everyone received the price increase flyer from Protel? I wonder how >expensive our next 'upgrade' will be? I haven't. So how about sharing the information, Mr. Karavidas? Without that information, I'm going to guess that the next upgrade will be $1000 to $1500. Remember that Protel99/99SE was $995 at first, then on special for $695, then back to $995 until after the SE release, then the present $1495. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
