[PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met with a healthy dose of skepticism. I did recommend for everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over to Ahead's Nero CD writer software drivers for the best system stability. You could imagine some of the replies that post got, your motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the latest Roxio drivers... I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
if you Google rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of people had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd burning . directcd and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most diverse pc configurations . Matt Tudor , MSEE http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
Ahead's Nero Burning ROM is absolutely the best. Hand's down. No question. I bought a new drive just to avoid my external USB Predator burner that doesn't run reliably with my old 350 MHz system, even at 1X burn rate. I had to disconnect from the internet, close all apps etc. So when I got the new 16X drive, it wasn't compatible with Roxio. So I got Nero. It worked perfectly. This wouldn't be a very interesting story except that the Ahead software also runs the old USB burner at full speed (only 4x) with the internet connected, mail delivery and any other apps running. They simply did a very good job of the buffering and background overhead management. This is why it works so well with the high forground overhead of Protel 99SE. regards, Tim Hutcheson Research Associate Institute for Human and Machine Cognition University of West Florida 40 S. Alcaniz St. Pensacola, FL 32501 USA 805-202-4461 -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:21 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met with a healthy dose of skepticism. I did recommend for everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over to Ahead's Nero CD writer software drivers for the best system stability. You could imagine some of the replies that post got, your motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the latest Roxio drivers... I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
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it works for me (new roxio) i have had far less coasters w/ roxio than nero and i find it much easier to use but i usually close all other apps while burning and don't do other tasks at the same time Dennis Saputelli mariusrf wrote: if you Google rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of people had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd burning . directcd and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most diverse pc configurations . Matt Tudor , MSEE http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 79CB9D5E956ED94B9A4A281EF20A5D3A14E050EF * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
NERO is reportedly the best but when you have problems, there is 'NO' support beyond their webpage FAQ sheets. I tried for 3 months to get some technical assistance from them, after two months of emails I got two emails in one day and then they never responded again after I replied with my comments to their questions. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Norsat's Microwave Products Division has now achieved ISO 9001:2000 certification -Original Message- From: Tim Hutcheson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:53 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD Ahead's Nero Burning ROM is absolutely the best. Hand's down. No question. I bought a new drive just to avoid my external USB Predator burner that doesn't run reliably with my old 350 MHz system, even at 1X burn rate. I had to disconnect from the internet, close all apps etc. So when I got the new 16X drive, it wasn't compatible with Roxio. So I got Nero. It worked perfectly. This wouldn't be a very interesting story except that the Ahead software also runs the old USB burner at full speed (only 4x) with the internet connected, mail delivery and any other apps running. They simply did a very good job of the buffering and background overhead management. This is why it works so well with the high forground overhead of Protel 99SE. regards, Tim Hutcheson Research Associate Institute for Human and Machine Cognition University of West Florida 40 S. Alcaniz St. Pensacola, FL 32501 USA 805-202-4461 * Tracking #: A98894E167E13841B6FAF222AC99E28863CE2502 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
while nero is a quality cdrw package... i am running steinberg instant cd/dvd and instant backup on my machines. 1 = win 98se 1 = win2K neither of which have problems i can attribute to the cdrw s'ware. direct cd has caused problems that you would not believe on every system that i've seen it on. (.ddl issues, .vxd errors(?), ect) i always try to give both pc's ALL resources while writing a cd... ended up with too many coasters because of the buffer. for what it's worth. ~joel - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD Yes, this was mentioned in one of my earlier posts, though, it was met with a healthy dose of skepticism. I did recommend for everyone to un-install anything Roxio related and completely switch over to Ahead's Nero CD writer software drivers for the best system stability. You could imagine some of the replies that post got, your motherboard, something else Win2K related, get the latest Roxio drivers... I just don't think Roxio is worth the effort. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix * Tracking #: 7B0CD65563C74148BADB5AA58B9D02736C31EF31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD
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It may be fast, but it is useable or noticeable in a workstation?? Probably not. I've been watching my harddisk like, and it rarely blinks. That tell me my system doesn't spend much time chugging on the disk and therefore why would I pay 3 times as much for SCSI as I would with ATA100? I just bought an 80GB IBM deskstar drive for $90 to my door. I looked at the media transfer rate and the sustained rate of a IBM Ultrastar Ultra160SCSI drive (at 10k RPM) and Deskstar 120 ATA100 drive (at 7200 RPM) and the rate between the two isn't enough for me to justify triple the cost. (And the fact you need a controller card that is roughly another $100. Ultra160SCSIATA100 Media rate: 373 to 690 Mbits/s 592(max) Mbits/s Sustained rate: 29 to 57 MB/s 23 to 48MB/s -Original Message- From: Matt Daggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:47 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD You should invest in SCSI I/O if you have a lot of throughput problems to cause buffer underruns. I can defrag a partition while burning from the other without underrun issues and without burnproof. Most of the problems arise with all IDE based systems that use 100% CPU to burn CDs and MUST use burnproof or else you get a coaster. With a SCSI based system you'd see about a 1-2% CPU hit while burning. I have a 200Mhz Pentium Pro machine that I used to use to duplicate CDs that can copy a CD to five burners at 8X at once w/o any underrun issues. IDE couldn't even dream of that... I cant really stress enough how important I/O is to system performance independent of CPU and memory size. A single Ultra160 15K disk will outperform two ATA100 disks in a RIAD 0 stripe. Also when putting a SCSI disk under full throughput stress it doesn't use 100% of the CPU like all IDE based systems. Not to mention the reliability and increased cache sizes you get with most server-class SCSI disk. SCSI disks have no where near the high failure rates of IDE disks because you are buying a enterprise solution. Prices have really come down as well.. you can get a 73GB 10k RPM Ultra160 disk for about $320 now...that's really cheap! Anyhow, back to Protel... -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD it works for me (new roxio) i have had far less coasters w/ roxio than nero and i find it much easier to use but i usually close all other apps while burning and don't do other tasks at the same time Dennis Saputelli mariusrf wrote: if you Google rec.video.desktop you will see the vast majority of people had problems with roxio and switched to ahead nero for cd burning . directcd and easy cd creator historically had tons of issues with the most diverse pc configurations . Matt Tudor , MSEE http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs. DirectCD I've just encountered a problem which essentially crashes my machine (W2K P99SE SP6) when I try to run Protel while Roxio's Easy CD Creator v 5.01_E2 is running. I think it's just a shell for DirectCD; it came bundled with my Dell, but is actually just crippleware (lowering my opinion of Dell; they promised a CDRW with supporting software, but this comes with ads to buy the full software). Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything specific I can do to alow continuing to at least view schematics in Protel while writing a CD of unrelated files? Steve Hendrix ** ** * Tracking #: 79CB9D5E956ED94B9A4A281EF20A5D3A14E050EF * ** ** -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *