Re: [PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000
At 11:21 AM 2/7/2002 -0500, Jeff Adolphs wrote: >I plan on building a white box for my next home computer with all the >internet advice like www.directron.com, www.amd.com, www.pricewatch.com, >is should be easy to build up a system without monitor and keypad board >for around $400 (AMD processor board). I just put together a system from generic components at the end of 2001, I reported thoroughly on what I bought and where, on this list, it's in the archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users-PEDA-Archive/message/5422 I now consider the following a minimum for serious use of Protel 99SE: 1.5 GHz processor or equivalent (I got an Athlon 1600) 512 MB RAM two 21 inch monitors running 1600x1200. Windows 2000 Obviously, you can do a lot with less, and carpenters don't need power tools, either. But if I hired a carpenter for anything other than antique restoral, I'd want him to be using power tools! What I described is *cheap*, especially when compared to the cost of a Protel license! I've bought a couple of 21 inch monitors since then, so I'd say that the total cost of everything suggested, plus whatever else is needed to build a system including at least 60 G of hard drive, CD R/W, etc, would be well under $1500 including operating system. (Protel: note that I consider better support for dual monitors crucial for professional use of Protel. Right now most menus pop up in "screen center," which is the center of the desktop, i.e., astride the middle of the two monitors. I can't change that location. I'm running Matrox hardware, which does set up a full 3200x1200 desktop; I think that some other dual monitor implementations might behave differently.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000
Ivan, Thanks for the advice! I definitely plan on insisting on a Dell next time ( I shouldn't have been so desperate for hardware to take anything). I plan on building a white box for my next home computer with all the internet advice like www.directron.com, www.amd.com, www.pricewatch.com, is should be easy to build up a system without monitor and keypad board for around $400 (AMD processor board). I tried to get my Dad to buy a Dell notebook for himself but he does not like mail-order. He got a top of the line Toshiba notebook with a service contract so he can take it back to the store if anything craps out. We avoided Compaq like the plague! I even avoided Hewlett Packard because I couldn't remember who they merged with. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio www.lakeshore.com -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:41 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000 IMO: Intel Celeron is OK. Compaq is awful. I have at home a white box PC with a Celeron 466 - it works great. Runs W98se and Suse Linux 7.3 dual-boot. I use it for digital photo editing/printing, audio editing, jukebox, web surfing, and games. Plays MP3s, 3D games just fine. I had (note the past tense) a Compaq Presario 4640, PII-266. Awful machine. Slow hard disk, substandard modem, flaky video, DVD drive quit after 4 months, everything was proprietary, even the mechanical form factor. I replaced the DVD drive with a 40X CDROM drive and that was better. Compaq installation CD would reformat your hard drive if you used it. Why couldn't they have used a standard Windows CD just like everyone else? Maybe they figured they would make the punishment for installing the OS so heinous that no one would pirate it? This is why I buy only white box PCs now. I am glad you got your IPAQ running OK now. But in the future, get your IT guys to buy you good hardware to run Protel on. You don't want to be fighting two sources of bugs at the same time! Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Jeff Adolphs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Win2000 I had some real problems - but it was a bad RAM card. Now Protel 99SE w/SP6 is running fantastic on Win2000. Note: I do mixed analog/digital 2 layer, 4 layer boards and do not use Autorouting or Simulation software. Even the crappy Compaq IPAQ with Intel Celeron processor is running all my software well. Software being: PowerCerv, AutoCAD 2000, MS Office 2000, MS Outlook, etc. RAM is 326 Meg which is more than I thought I had. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Compaq and Intel WAS: Win2000
IMO: Intel Celeron is OK. Compaq is awful. I have at home a white box PC with a Celeron 466 - it works great. Runs W98se and Suse Linux 7.3 dual-boot. I use it for digital photo editing/printing, audio editing, jukebox, web surfing, and games. Plays MP3s, 3D games just fine. I had (note the past tense) a Compaq Presario 4640, PII-266. Awful machine. Slow hard disk, substandard modem, flaky video, DVD drive quit after 4 months, everything was proprietary, even the mechanical form factor. I replaced the DVD drive with a 40X CDROM drive and that was better. Compaq installation CD would reformat your hard drive if you used it. Why couldn't they have used a standard Windows CD just like everyone else? Maybe they figured they would make the punishment for installing the OS so heinous that no one would pirate it? This is why I buy only white box PCs now. I am glad you got your IPAQ running OK now. But in the future, get your IT guys to buy you good hardware to run Protel on. You don't want to be fighting two sources of bugs at the same time! Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Jeff Adolphs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Win2000 I had some real problems - but it was a bad RAM card. Now Protel 99SE w/SP6 is running fantastic on Win2000. Note: I do mixed analog/digital 2 layer, 4 layer boards and do not use Autorouting or Simulation software. Even the crappy Compaq IPAQ with Intel Celeron processor is running all my software well. Software being: PowerCerv, AutoCAD 2000, MS Office 2000, MS Outlook, etc. RAM is 326 Meg which is more than I thought I had. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *