Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
20/09/2002 06:45:18, "Rick Wilson (Protta)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Not sure what good it will do now, since the Protel 99SE or DXP programs >do not have a Library ASCII in? 99SE certainly has an ASCII library - I used to have a vhdl2lib converter for FPGAs, which generated text files. Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
IF there is a way to create footprints as an ASCII pcb file, the current tool can probably read that, and THEN 'create library from PCB' > -Original Message- > From: Rick Wilson (Protta) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:45 PM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > > > Version 2.2 Schematic, the product that was sold with 2.8 PCB > was able to ASCII in/out the libraries. > > Not sure what good it will do now, since the Protel 99SE or > DXP programs do not have a Library ASCII in? > > Rick Wilson > > > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:00 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > > > I think that the original format for protel sch parts back in > version 3 had a text format. I am not sure if an older > version of protel could do the conversion of a text to ver3 > binary library and then just convert the library format to > the current version. It would not take too long to check if > it could be done. > > (I think this all derived from the fact that the Orcad > libraries were originally a text format and protel followed suit. ) > > (Of course I could be wrong, it is a while since I have > looked at any of the version 3 and earlier file formats.) > > Scott Ellis > Manager > Novatex Research - Excellence in Electronic Research & > Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] 41 Yule Road, > Merewether, Newcastle, NSW 2291, Australia > Ph 0412 988408 Fax 02 49636058 > - Original Message ----- > From: "John Haddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > > > > What a great idea, Vincent! Now why doesn't ALTIUM provide > a text file > input > > format for generating library components!? > > > > It would make my life ever so much easier if I could simply > > auto-create all the pins (with their correct parameters) of a > > schematic symbol - the subsequent shuffling to suit my preferred > > positioning is a walk in the park if you don't have to do all that > > typing first! > > > > Being an IC design group, we have a single pad definition > master file > > that is used for verilog generation, xml documentation, > etc. The only > > missing part is a tool for import into Protel schematic library. So > > the biggest risk area in the process is that the PCB won't > match the > > IC, if a pin swap/change is missed due to the manual nature of > > schematic > component > > generation. > > > > Any import format would do - I can easily write a parser to extract > > the relevant fields from our master pad definition. > > > > I'm unfamiliar with what it takes to write a generator such > as Vincent > > > describes, but if anybody would care to write a generic one using a > > defined text file syntax as input, I'd be mighty grateful! > > > > John Haddy > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: vincent mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 11:24 PM > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > > > > > > > > > send me one of those altera txt files . i'll write you a a > > > generator. > > > > > > > > > Juha Pajunen wrote: > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >I am making Altera 956 pin FPGA SCH component, assign > > > >that many pin is annoying... why not there is component > wizard like > > > > >PCB library editor has, at least I do not know it...? > > > >It would be nice to have a program that could read > > > >pin-out information file > > > >(Altera offers pin-out file, that is in TEXT format) > > > >and "make" pins to SCH component! > > > > > > > >How do you do your huge pin SCH components? > > > > > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer > > > >Bitboys Oy > > > >E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >NOTE: This message, and any att
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
Version 2.2 Schematic, the product that was sold with 2.8 PCB was able to ASCII in/out the libraries. Not sure what good it will do now, since the Protel 99SE or DXP programs do not have a Library ASCII in? Rick Wilson -Original Message- From: Scott Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:00 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) I think that the original format for protel sch parts back in version 3 had a text format. I am not sure if an older version of protel could do the conversion of a text to ver3 binary library and then just convert the library format to the current version. It would not take too long to check if it could be done. (I think this all derived from the fact that the Orcad libraries were originally a text format and protel followed suit. ) (Of course I could be wrong, it is a while since I have looked at any of the version 3 and earlier file formats.) Scott Ellis Manager Novatex Research - Excellence in Electronic Research & Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] 41 Yule Road, Merewether, Newcastle, NSW 2291, Australia Ph 0412 988408 Fax 02 49636058 - Original Message - From: "John Haddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > What a great idea, Vincent! Now why doesn't ALTIUM provide a text file input > format for generating library components!? > > It would make my life ever so much easier if I could simply > auto-create all the pins (with their correct parameters) of a > schematic symbol - the subsequent shuffling to suit my preferred > positioning is a walk in the park if you don't have to do all that > typing first! > > Being an IC design group, we have a single pad definition master file > that is used for verilog generation, xml documentation, etc. The only > missing part is a tool for import into Protel schematic library. So > the biggest risk area in the process is that the PCB won't match the > IC, if a pin swap/change is missed due to the manual nature of > schematic component > generation. > > Any import format would do - I can easily write a parser to extract > the relevant fields from our master pad definition. > > I'm unfamiliar with what it takes to write a generator such as Vincent > describes, but if anybody would care to write a generic one using a > defined text file syntax as input, I'd be mighty grateful! > > John Haddy > > > -Original Message- > > From: vincent mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 11:24 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > > > > > > send me one of those altera txt files . i'll write you a a > > generator. > > > > > > Juha Pajunen wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I am making Altera 956 pin FPGA SCH component, assign > > >that many pin is annoying... why not there is component wizard like > > >PCB library editor has, at least I do not know it...? > > >It would be nice to have a program that could read > > >pin-out information file > > >(Altera offers pin-out file, that is in TEXT format) > > >and "make" pins to SCH component! > > > > > >How do you do your huge pin SCH components? > > > > > >Sincerely, > > >Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer > > >Bitboys Oy > > >E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >NOTE: This message, and any attached files, may contain privileged > > >or confidential information. It is intended for use only by the > > >designated recipients. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of, > > >or reliance upon, > > >this message by anyone else is strictly prohibited. > > > > > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > _ > > // Vincent Himpe > >// _ ___/ Lab Manager > > / \ \ / / /ST Microelectronics > > /___\ \ / / / 5510 Six Forks Road . Suite 200 > > /__//_/__/ Raleigh NC 27612 > > > > Tel : (919) 850 6070 > > Fax : (919) 850 6689 > > e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
I think that the original format for protel sch parts back in version 3 had a text format. I am not sure if an older version of protel could do the conversion of a text to ver3 binary library and then just convert the library format to the current version. It would not take too long to check if it could be done. (I think this all derived from the fact that the Orcad libraries were originally a text format and protel followed suit. ) (Of course I could be wrong, it is a while since I have looked at any of the version 3 and earlier file formats.) Scott Ellis Manager Novatex Research - Excellence in Electronic Research & Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] 41 Yule Road, Merewether, Newcastle, NSW 2291, Australia Ph 0412 988408 Fax 02 49636058 - Original Message - From: "John Haddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > What a great idea, Vincent! Now why doesn't ALTIUM provide a text file input > format for generating library components!? > > It would make my life ever so much easier if I could simply auto-create > all the pins (with their correct parameters) of a schematic symbol - the > subsequent shuffling to suit my preferred positioning is a walk in the > park if you don't have to do all that typing first! > > Being an IC design group, we have a single pad definition master file > that is used for verilog generation, xml documentation, etc. The only > missing part is a tool for import into Protel schematic library. So the > biggest risk area in the process is that the PCB won't match the IC, if > a pin swap/change is missed due to the manual nature of schematic component > generation. > > Any import format would do - I can easily write a parser to extract the > relevant fields from our master pad definition. > > I'm unfamiliar with what it takes to write a generator such as Vincent > describes, but if anybody would care to write a generic one using a > defined text file syntax as input, I'd be mighty grateful! > > John Haddy > > > -Original Message- > > From: vincent mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 11:24 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > > > > > > send me one of those altera txt files . i'll write you a a generator. > > > > > > Juha Pajunen wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I am making Altera 956 pin FPGA SCH component, assign > > >that many pin is annoying... why not there is component > > >wizard like PCB library editor has, at least I do not > > >know it...? > > >It would be nice to have a program that could read > > >pin-out information file > > >(Altera offers pin-out file, that is in TEXT format) > > >and "make" pins to SCH component! > > > > > >How do you do your huge pin SCH components? > > > > > >Sincerely, > > >Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer > > >Bitboys Oy > > >E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >NOTE: This message, and any attached files, may contain privileged or > > >confidential information. It is intended for use only by the designated > > >recipients. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of, or reliance upon, > > >this message by anyone else is strictly prohibited. > > > > > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > _ > > // Vincent Himpe > >// _ ___/ Lab Manager > > / \ \ / / /ST Microelectronics > > /___\ \ / / / 5510 Six Forks Road . Suite 200 > > /__//_/__/ Raleigh NC 27612 > > > > Tel : (919) 850 6070 > > Fax : (919) 850 6689 > > e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
What a great idea, Vincent! Now why doesn't ALTIUM provide a text file input format for generating library components!? It would make my life ever so much easier if I could simply auto-create all the pins (with their correct parameters) of a schematic symbol - the subsequent shuffling to suit my preferred positioning is a walk in the park if you don't have to do all that typing first! Being an IC design group, we have a single pad definition master file that is used for verilog generation, xml documentation, etc. The only missing part is a tool for import into Protel schematic library. So the biggest risk area in the process is that the PCB won't match the IC, if a pin swap/change is missed due to the manual nature of schematic component generation. Any import format would do - I can easily write a parser to extract the relevant fields from our master pad definition. I'm unfamiliar with what it takes to write a generator such as Vincent describes, but if anybody would care to write a generic one using a defined text file syntax as input, I'd be mighty grateful! John Haddy > -Original Message- > From: vincent mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 11:24 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > > > send me one of those altera txt files . i'll write you a a generator. > > > Juha Pajunen wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I am making Altera 956 pin FPGA SCH component, assign > >that many pin is annoying... why not there is component > >wizard like PCB library editor has, at least I do not > >know it...? > >It would be nice to have a program that could read > >pin-out information file > >(Altera offers pin-out file, that is in TEXT format) > >and "make" pins to SCH component! > > > >How do you do your huge pin SCH components? > > > >Sincerely, > >Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer > >Bitboys Oy > >E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >NOTE: This message, and any attached files, may contain privileged or > >confidential information. It is intended for use only by the designated > >recipients. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of, or reliance upon, > >this message by anyone else is strictly prohibited. > > > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > _ > // Vincent Himpe >// _ ___/ Lab Manager > / \ \ / / /ST Microelectronics > /___\ \ / / / 5510 Six Forks Road . Suite 200 > /__//_/__/ Raleigh NC 27612 > > Tel : (919) 850 6070 > Fax : (919) 850 6689 > e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
Excellent! Excellent! - Original Message - From: "vincent mail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > send me one of those altera txt files . i'll write you a a generator. > > > Juha Pajunen wrote: > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
Excellent idea! You got my vote . . . - Original Message - From: "Juha Pajunen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:21 PM Subject: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring) > Hi, > > I am making Altera 956 pin FPGA SCH component, assign > that many pin is annoying... why not there is component > wizard like PCB library editor has, at least I do not > know it...? > It would be nice to have a program that could read > pin-out information file > (Altera offers pin-out file, that is in TEXT format) > and "make" pins to SCH component! > > How do you do your huge pin SCH components? > > Sincerely, > Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer > Bitboys Oy > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > NOTE: This message, and any attached files, may contain privileged or > confidential information. It is intended for use only by the designated > recipients. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of, or reliance upon, > this message by anyone else is strictly prohibited. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
send me one of those altera txt files . i'll write you a a generator. Juha Pajunen wrote: >Hi, > >I am making Altera 956 pin FPGA SCH component, assign >that many pin is annoying... why not there is component >wizard like PCB library editor has, at least I do not >know it...? >It would be nice to have a program that could read >pin-out information file >(Altera offers pin-out file, that is in TEXT format) >and "make" pins to SCH component! > >How do you do your huge pin SCH components? > >Sincerely, >Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer >Bitboys Oy >E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >NOTE: This message, and any attached files, may contain privileged or >confidential information. It is intended for use only by the designated >recipients. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of, or reliance upon, >this message by anyone else is strictly prohibited. > -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // Vincent Himpe // _ ___/ Lab Manager / \ \ / / /ST Microelectronics /___\ \ / / / 5510 Six Forks Road . Suite 200 /__//_/__/ Raleigh NC 27612 Tel : (919) 850 6070 Fax : (919) 850 6689 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
The biggest FPGA I'done is a 144 pin. Yes, it takes some work. It was a TQFP and I wanted the schematic to look like the footprint. I placed each pin by hand and named it according to the ALTERA naming: (TDI, TMS, GNDIO, VCCINT, GCLK1 .. ) but only after having them placed with increasing numbers as names. I have the numbers visible and only the changed names, not the number names. The motivation to have the schematic equal to the footprint : When placing tracks to and from the FPGA I want a minimal amount of vias and crossings, so the process of assigning a wire on the schematic and assigning a pin in MaxPlus2 or Quartus is iterative. And having the footprint equal to the footprint supports that. Rene -- Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com & commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net Juha Pajunen wrote: > > Hi, > > I am making Altera 956 pin FPGA SCH component, assign > that many pin is annoying... why not there is component > wizard like PCB library editor has, at least I do not > know it...? > It would be nice to have a program that could read > pin-out information file > (Altera offers pin-out file, that is in TEXT format) > and "make" pins to SCH component! > > How do you do your huge pin SCH components? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Making of 956 pin SCH component (boring)
Hi, I am making Altera 956 pin FPGA SCH component, assign that many pin is annoying... why not there is component wizard like PCB library editor has, at least I do not know it...? It would be nice to have a program that could read pin-out information file (Altera offers pin-out file, that is in TEXT format) and "make" pins to SCH component! How do you do your huge pin SCH components? Sincerely, Juha Pajunen, Hw Engineer Bitboys Oy E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: This message, and any attached files, may contain privileged or confidential information. It is intended for use only by the designated recipients. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of, or reliance upon, this message by anyone else is strictly prohibited. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
