Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files.
Yep, I'm still lurking I don't actually recall the problem or solution - I have a terrible memory :( I've asked my colleague, he does more day-to-day work in PCB than me and he recalls the following We need to save ASCII PCB for our assembly house that can't read 99se and beyond files into their manufacturing software. The simple solution was to delete all poly planes before saving as ASCII. As the planes are on internal layers they are of no use to the assembly house. We've been using DXP for some time now, I know the problem does not occur in DXP. I can't recall the last time we saved an ASCII PCB, though I expect he does the same thing just to save issuing a huge ASCII file. DXP is much more efficient as it also supports proper split planes and area fills, poly planes are now only needed for certain situations. j. -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 February 2004 09:54 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. On 11:27 AM 26/02/2004, Darcy Davis said: >Hey Folks, > >I've been getting an error while trying to save a PCB file in ascii format >in Protel 99SE sp6. I get the message > >Design Explorer Error! >File C:\\Temp\xxx.tmp is too large. Jason Morgan had a similar problem way back in August 2002. From the look of it there was no obvious solution then - Jason are you still on this forum? (I will ask on the DXP forum as I know he is over there and I will see if DXP behaves differently.) It looks to me like there is some real limit in the size of ASCII PCB files - The size may depend on the size of polygons as well. Well - I just did an unscientific test on DXP 2004. A *very* large board with four massive polygons saved to ASCII as about 104MBytes. So either there is something else that triggers this limit (funny that it is the same as Jasons limit from a few years ago) or DXP behaves differently. The file format in DXP is different. The binary format actually contains heaps of stuff that looks like the P99SE ASCII format. So maybe the problem had to be fixed in order to support large binary-format designs. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files.
Yeah, I've got ~100 GBs free right now. The design used to be stored on a network drive (though the incriminating file was a local temp file). I just tried moving the design to a local folder and got the same result. I'm wondering whether its a limitation that windows puts on the profile for each user. I'm going to see if I can redirect Protel to use a different folder for its temporary files. BTW, it may be a silly question to an experienced user. But, on a list, you never know the users skill level. Even then, it could have been a simple answer I overlooked...I've learned by experience that "If it doesn't work...check that its plugged in." Darcy -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 25, 2004 9:19 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. Silly question, I know - but have you got enough hard-drive space available? TC > > -Original Message- > > From: Darcy Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:27 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. > > > > Hey Folks, > > > > I've been getting an error while trying to save a PCB file in > > ascii format in Protel 99SE sp6. I get the message > > > > Design Explorer Error! > > File C:\\Temp\xxx.tmp is too large. > > > > When I track down this file, I find it to be 53,259,703 > > bytes. (50.7Mb). I know this process works on smaller > > designs. I can delete polygons etc from the design and > > eventually it will work, but it certainly isn't a good design > > practice. I've already tried things like using a different > > computer, closing all other programs/files, cut/paste into a > > new pcb file. I can't seem to find a clean way around this > > problem. I'm currently running Protel 99SE under windows xp > > on a P4 2.8GHz with 1Gig of ram, so I don't think its a lack > > of resources. Any ideas? Does Protel DXP solve this problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Darcy > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files.
This might be quite a tangent, but I think this has happened before: Suppose you have 100MB free, and write a file of 51MB. No problems. But now you want to write it again, and a file with the same name already exists. I think that Windows used to write to a tempory file, then confirm (do you want to overwrite?) that it is okay to delete the original and rename the tempory to the required name. But that temporarily requires 102MB, and there isn't enough space. If the original file already exists, try deleting it first. Glen -Original Message- From: Darcy Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 February, 2004 8:30 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. Yeah, I've got ~100 GBs free right now. The design used to be stored on a network drive (though the incriminating file was a local temp file). I just tried moving the design to a local folder and got the same result. I'm wondering whether its a limitation that windows puts on the profile for each user. I'm going to see if I can redirect Protel to use a different folder for its temporary files. BTW, it may be a silly question to an experienced user. But, on a list, you never know the users skill level. Even then, it could have been a simple answer I overlooked...I've learned by experience that "If it doesn't work...check that its plugged in." Darcy -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 25, 2004 9:19 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. Silly question, I know - but have you got enough hard-drive space available? TC > > -Original Message- > > From: Darcy Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:27 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. > > > > Hey Folks, > > > > I've been getting an error while trying to save a PCB file in > > ascii format in Protel 99SE sp6. I get the message > > > > Design Explorer Error! > > File C:\\Temp\xxx.tmp is too large. > > > > When I track down this file, I find it to be 53,259,703 > > bytes. (50.7Mb). I know this process works on smaller > > designs. I can delete polygons etc from the design and > > eventually it will work, but it certainly isn't a good design > > practice. I've already tried things like using a different > > computer, closing all other programs/files, cut/paste into a > > new pcb file. I can't seem to find a clean way around this > > problem. I'm currently running Protel 99SE under windows xp > > on a P4 2.8GHz with 1Gig of ram, so I don't think its a lack > > of resources. Any ideas? Does Protel DXP solve this problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Darcy > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * _ QRSciences Limited 8-10 Hamilton Street Cannington WA 6107 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 (8) 9351 1200 Fax: +61 (8) 9351 9522 For information about QRSciences please visit our website at: http://www.qrsciences.com/ The information in this e-mail and any attachments are confidential and proprietary and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone and delete the communication and any attachments. QRSciences Limited accepts no liability for any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by our own negligence or not, resulting directly or indirectly from this email or the use of any attached files. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files.
On 11:27 AM 26/02/2004, Darcy Davis said: Hey Folks, I've been getting an error while trying to save a PCB file in ascii format in Protel 99SE sp6. I get the message Design Explorer Error! File C:\\Temp\xxx.tmp is too large. Jason Morgan had a similar problem way back in August 2002. From the look of it there was no obvious solution then - Jason are you still on this forum? (I will ask on the DXP forum as I know he is over there and I will see if DXP behaves differently.) It looks to me like there is some real limit in the size of ASCII PCB files - The size may depend on the size of polygons as well. Well - I just did an unscientific test on DXP 2004. A *very* large board with four massive polygons saved to ASCII as about 104MBytes. So either there is something else that triggers this limit (funny that it is the same as Jasons limit from a few years ago) or DXP behaves differently. The file format in DXP is different. The binary format actually contains heaps of stuff that looks like the P99SE ASCII format. So maybe the problem had to be fixed in order to support large binary-format designs. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files.
Silly question, I know - but have you got enough hard-drive space available? TC > -Original Message- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2004 12:33 PM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. > > > I've never hear of such a problem, but try sending the DDB > file to Altium > and describe your problem. They could test it in a matter of > minutes to see > if it's something weird on your system, or some inherent problem with > Protel. > > Tony > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Darcy Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:27 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. > > > > Hey Folks, > > > > I've been getting an error while trying to save a PCB file in > > ascii format in Protel 99SE sp6. I get the message > > > > Design Explorer Error! > > File C:\\Temp\xxx.tmp is too large. > > > > When I track down this file, I find it to be 53,259,703 > > bytes. (50.7Mb). I know this process works on smaller > > designs. I can delete polygons etc from the design and > > eventually it will work, but it certainly isn't a good design > > practice. I've already tried things like using a different > > computer, closing all other programs/files, cut/paste into a > > new pcb file. I can't seem to find a clean way around this > > problem. I'm currently running Protel 99SE under windows xp > > on a P4 2.8GHz with 1Gig of ram, so I don't think its a lack > > of resources. Any ideas? Does Protel DXP solve this problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Darcy > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files.
I've never hear of such a problem, but try sending the DDB file to Altium and describe your problem. They could test it in a matter of minutes to see if it's something weird on your system, or some inherent problem with Protel. Tony > -Original Message- > From: Darcy Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. > > Hey Folks, > > I've been getting an error while trying to save a PCB file in > ascii format in Protel 99SE sp6. I get the message > > Design Explorer Error! > File C:\\Temp\xxx.tmp is too large. > > When I track down this file, I find it to be 53,259,703 > bytes. (50.7Mb). I know this process works on smaller > designs. I can delete polygons etc from the design and > eventually it will work, but it certainly isn't a good design > practice. I've already tried things like using a different > computer, closing all other programs/files, cut/paste into a > new pcb file. I can't seem to find a clean way around this > problem. I'm currently running Protel 99SE under windows xp > on a P4 2.8GHz with 1Gig of ram, so I don't think its a lack > of resources. Any ideas? Does Protel DXP solve this problem? > > Thanks, > Darcy > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] PCB ascii files.
Hey Folks, I've been getting an error while trying to save a PCB file in ascii format in Protel 99SE sp6. I get the message Design Explorer Error! File C:\\Temp\xxx.tmp is too large. When I track down this file, I find it to be 53,259,703 bytes. (50.7Mb). I know this process works on smaller designs. I can delete polygons etc from the design and eventually it will work, but it certainly isn't a good design practice. I've already tried things like using a different computer, closing all other programs/files, cut/paste into a new pcb file. I can't seem to find a clean way around this problem. I'm currently running Protel 99SE under windows xp on a P4 2.8GHz with 1Gig of ram, so I don't think its a lack of resources. Any ideas? Does Protel DXP solve this problem? Thanks, Darcy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
