Re: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
In safe mode, remove your video card & sound card drivers. Then, there will be a chance of your system booting normally. If not, try resetting your bios settings to a safe state. I'm glad that my system has Win2K installed twice, booting the second basic Win2K & backing up & copying the system & software files from the main booting Win2K makes (not possible any other way) backups/restores/unrestores a breeze. It's too bloody bad that this capability is blocked in WinXP. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:23 AM Subject: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes > HELP!!! In attempting to uninstall DirectCD, I've gotten my system into a > state where it won't boot! Sorry if I'm off-topic, but I'm desperate and > these lists are the best resource I've found for help. Others may save > themselves much grief by learning from my experience. I'm cross-posting to > the DXP list as well. > > My recent queries on the web encouraged me to buy Ahead Nero to replace > Roxio's DirectCD. Thus far, that advice still seems to have been good - Nero > is far superior to DirectCD, and far more stable. > > I had them both installed and peacefully coexisting. On advice that I should > not have two CD burner packages installed, and the realization that I'd never > use DirectCD again, I uninstalled DirectCD. I've since learned that Roxio's > DirectCD is in and of itself the worst virus infection I've ever seen. It > won't uninstall cleanly, their "tech support" is no help, and now my system > won't boot. When I boot into Windows 2000 Pro, it appears to boot normally. > In searching the web I've found that many others have come to similar grief, > but no solutions to my specific problem. First sign of trouble is that while > my auto-start apps are still getting settled in, a box appears saying > "Preparing to install" with no appname. Its cancel button does nothing. > About ten seconds later, the box goes away - and then comes back. Total of > about 6 times or so, and then the system does a normal shutdown and reboots > Again, and again, and again. > > I've killed almost a full day on this so far, with no end in sight. > Spelunking in the registry finds many hundreds of entries sprinkled all over > the place, referring to Roxio, DirectCD, etc. I spent a couple hours deleting > absolutely every registry entry which looked remotely related. This was only > a "crippleware" version of DirectCD that could just barely write a data CD; > any other operation took me automatically to Roxio's website to buy the full > version. Thus I'm not only pretty ticked at Roxio, but also at Dell. Dell > preinstalled this on the machine, and the sales pitch implied I was getting > the full version. Thus I consider this to be bait-and-switch, plain and > simple. So Dell is now on my blacklist too (it wouldn't have taken much after > their fiasco with proprietary power supplies, but that's another whole story). > > I've tried unplugging the CD drive and rebooting, unplugging all the USB > peripherals on the theory that something there is trying to install, etc., > all to no avail. I've already run the Win2K Repair from the CD; no joy there > either. So I'm getting ready to reinstall Win2K, and cringing at the thought > of all the drivers etc. that I'll need to set up again. > > There is a slim chance that this might have been precipitated by a virus > other than Roxio, because one of my clients had a particularly nasty virus > infection last week. But I haven't downloaded any executables from them, and > I'm well-guarded against other forms such as macros. And the problem showed > up right after I ran Ahead's driver clean utility. > > My best guess at present is that Roxio left something around which now > detects that the rest isn't installed, and it's trying to repair the > installation. But that's only a guess. > > I can get to the Windows recovery console, and also to Safe mode. but haven't > had any luck repairing things that way. Any and all tips gratefully accepted!! > > Steve Hendrix > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
i have no doubt that Nero may be in some ways superior to Roxio
(since so many have said that)
I can only say that having used both quite a bit i found the Roxio to
be much easier and (knock on wood) have never had a problem with it
Dennis Saputelli
John Williams wrote:
>
> Take a look at the following:
>
>
> ---
> Unistall 100% Ez CD Creator from Win2k (note that the plain words comes from
> ROXIO ;)
> Most times the drivers of EasyCD and Nero can cause conflicts.
>
> (This is typically caused by lower level system drivers associated with
> writing UDF. If everybody is following the rules as defined by Microsoft,
> this should not be the case).
>
> Unistalling Ez CD Creator is one solution however the Ez CD Creator
> unistaller leaves behind several files which still causes problems to Nero
> (delete all following files, if present)
>
> (In ECDC 4.xx releases there are separate installs for ECDC and DirectCD. If
> you uninstall ECDC in anything before ECDC 5.0, you will not uninstall
> DirectCD. This is a separate uninstall process which explains why you see
> the files listed below and still listed in the registry. This would be the
> case for any Roxio application that is still left installed (i.e Take Two or
> DirectCD) :
>
> - CDR4VSD.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4)
> - CDR4_2K.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows W2K)
> - CDRALVSD.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4 (older versions)
> - CDRALW2k.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows W2K)
> - CDRALWNT.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4)
> - CDRALVSD.SYS (duplicate)
> - CDUDFRW.SYS (This does not exist in NT4/W2K. There is only a CDUDFRW.VxD
> used by DirectCD in 9x)
> - CDUDF.SYS (Used by DirectCD in Windows NT4/W2K)
> - CDRPWD.SYS (Used by DirectCD in Windows NT4/W2K)
>
> which rested in the directory C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS and the file
> CDR4VSD.DLL in the directory C:\WinNT\System32 and restart Windows.
>
> Additional: When the Adaptec software is uninstalled the registry is not
> reverted to use the Windows "cdrom.sys". You have to edit the registry to
> stop the Adaptec driver after uninstall. The critical keys that the software
> leaves behind after being uninstalled are in:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SyStem\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11C
> E-BFC1-0 87002BE10318}
>
> In this section you will find two keys called "UpperFilters" &
> "LowerFilters" and you will need to delete both of these keys and reboot to
> restore Win2K to the default CD driver. You should also search for other
> keys containing "cdralw2k" and "cdr4_2K" and delete these then delete these
> two files AFTER the reboot. Note you cannot delete the references to these
> in "ENUM" as they are generated from the class driver, but they will not be
> there after the reboot.
>
> (This is the same issue as described above. It would be dangerous to delete
> the whole upper and lower filter keys if somebody else had their drivers
> installed in this location. In W2K it is not a good idea to only delete the
> upper and lower filter keys. You must also delete the Service registry
> entries and the drivers themselves. Again, this will be handled if ALL of
> the Roxio applications are uninstalled (i.e ECDC, DCD, and Take Two).
>
> In addition there is an article in the MS knowledge base about this..
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q270008
>
> ----------------
> ---
>
> .
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:23 AM
> Subject: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
>
> > HELP!!! In attempting to uninstall DirectCD, I've gotten my system into a
> > state where it won't boot! Sorry if I'm off-topic, but I'm desperate and
> > these lists are the best resource I've found for help. Others may save
> > themselves much grief by learning from my experience. I'm cross-posting to
> > the DXP list as well.
> >
> > My recent queries on the web encouraged me to buy Ahead Nero to replace
> > Roxio's DirectCD. Thus far, that advice still seems to have been good -
> Nero
> > is far superior to DirectCD, and far more stable.
> >
> > I had them both installed and peacefully coexisting. On advice that I
> should
> > not have two CD burner packages installed, and the realization that I'd
> n
Re: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes OT
he sorry state of affairs in the PC world, and suggest some future approaches to avoid problems. As for me, my household, and my company, we are transitioning to Linux in every way we can. Altium, where is that Linux version of Protel? I can't keep this dual-PIII going forever! When it craps out, it's not getting replaced by another Windows box... Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com ----- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:23 AM Subject: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes > HELP!!! In attempting to uninstall DirectCD, I've gotten my system into a > state where it won't boot! Sorry if I'm off-topic, but I'm desperate and > these lists are the best resource I've found for help. Others may save > themselves much grief by learning from my experience. I'm cross-posting to > the DXP list as well. > > My recent queries on the web encouraged me to buy Ahead Nero to replace > Roxio's DirectCD. Thus far, that advice still seems to have been good - Nero > is far superior to DirectCD, and far more stable. > > I had them both installed and peacefully coexisting. On advice that I should > not have two CD burner packages installed, and the realization that I'd never > use DirectCD again, I uninstalled DirectCD. I've since learned that Roxio's > DirectCD is in and of itself the worst virus infection I've ever seen. It > won't uninstall cleanly, their "tech support" is no help, and now my system > won't boot. When I boot into Windows 2000 Pro, it appears to boot normally. > In searching the web I've found that many others have come to similar grief, > but no solutions to my specific problem. First sign of trouble is that while > my auto-start apps are still getting settled in, a box appears saying > "Preparing to install" with no appname. Its cancel button does nothing. > About ten seconds later, the box goes away - and then comes back. Total of > about 6 times or so, and then the system does a normal shutdown and reboots > Again, and again, and again. > > I've killed almost a full day on this so far, with no end in sight. > Spelunking in the registry finds many hundreds of entries sprinkled all over > the place, referring to Roxio, DirectCD, etc. I spent a couple hours deleting > absolutely every registry entry which looked remotely related. This was only > a "crippleware" version of DirectCD that could just barely write a data CD; > any other operation took me automatically to Roxio's website to buy the full > version. Thus I'm not only pretty ticked at Roxio, but also at Dell. Dell > preinstalled this on the machine, and the sales pitch implied I was getting > the full version. Thus I consider this to be bait-and-switch, plain and > simple. So Dell is now on my blacklist too (it wouldn't have taken much after > their fiasco with proprietary power supplies, but that's another whole story). > > I've tried unplugging the CD drive and rebooting, unplugging all the USB > peripherals on the theory that something there is trying to install, etc., > all to no avail. I've already run the Win2K Repair from the CD; no joy there > either. So I'm getting ready to reinstall Win2K, and cringing at the thought > of all the drivers etc. that I'll need to set up again. > > There is a slim chance that this might have been precipitated by a virus > other than Roxio, because one of my clients had a particularly nasty virus > infection last week. But I haven't downloaded any executables from them, and > I'm well-guarded against other forms such as macros. And the problem showed > up right after I ran Ahead's driver clean utility. > > My best guess at present is that Roxio left something around which now > detects that the rest isn't installed, and it's trying to repair the > installation. But that's only a guess. > > I can get to the Windows recovery console, and also to Safe mode. but haven't > had any luck repairing things that way. Any and all tips gratefully accepted!! > > Steve Hendrix > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
Take a look at the following:
---
Unistall 100% Ez CD Creator from Win2k (note that the plain words comes from
ROXIO ;)
Most times the drivers of EasyCD and Nero can cause conflicts.
(This is typically caused by lower level system drivers associated with
writing UDF. If everybody is following the rules as defined by Microsoft,
this should not be the case).
Unistalling Ez CD Creator is one solution however the Ez CD Creator
unistaller leaves behind several files which still causes problems to Nero
(delete all following files, if present)
(In ECDC 4.xx releases there are separate installs for ECDC and DirectCD. If
you uninstall ECDC in anything before ECDC 5.0, you will not uninstall
DirectCD. This is a separate uninstall process which explains why you see
the files listed below and still listed in the registry. This would be the
case for any Roxio application that is still left installed (i.e Take Two or
DirectCD) :
- CDR4VSD.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4)
- CDR4_2K.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows W2K)
- CDRALVSD.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4 (older versions)
- CDRALW2k.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows W2K)
- CDRALWNT.SYS (Used by ECDC and DirectCD in Windows NT4)
- CDRALVSD.SYS (duplicate)
- CDUDFRW.SYS (This does not exist in NT4/W2K. There is only a CDUDFRW.VxD
used by DirectCD in 9x)
- CDUDF.SYS (Used by DirectCD in Windows NT4/W2K)
- CDRPWD.SYS (Used by DirectCD in Windows NT4/W2K)
which rested in the directory C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS and the file
CDR4VSD.DLL in the directory C:\WinNT\System32 and restart Windows.
Additional: When the Adaptec software is uninstalled the registry is not
reverted to use the Windows "cdrom.sys". You have to edit the registry to
stop the Adaptec driver after uninstall. The critical keys that the software
leaves behind after being uninstalled are in:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SyStem\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11C
E-BFC1-0 87002BE10318}
In this section you will find two keys called "UpperFilters" &
"LowerFilters" and you will need to delete both of these keys and reboot to
restore Win2K to the default CD driver. You should also search for other
keys containing "cdralw2k" and "cdr4_2K" and delete these then delete these
two files AFTER the reboot. Note you cannot delete the references to these
in "ENUM" as they are generated from the class driver, but they will not be
there after the reboot.
(This is the same issue as described above. It would be dangerous to delete
the whole upper and lower filter keys if somebody else had their drivers
installed in this location. In W2K it is not a good idea to only delete the
upper and lower filter keys. You must also delete the Service registry
entries and the drivers themselves. Again, this will be handled if ALL of
the Roxio applications are uninstalled (i.e ECDC, DCD, and Take Two).
In addition there is an article in the MS knowledge base about this..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q270008
---
.
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:23 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
> HELP!!! In attempting to uninstall DirectCD, I've gotten my system into a
> state where it won't boot! Sorry if I'm off-topic, but I'm desperate and
> these lists are the best resource I've found for help. Others may save
> themselves much grief by learning from my experience. I'm cross-posting to
> the DXP list as well.
>
> My recent queries on the web encouraged me to buy Ahead Nero to replace
> Roxio's DirectCD. Thus far, that advice still seems to have been good -
Nero
> is far superior to DirectCD, and far more stable.
>
> I had them both installed and peacefully coexisting. On advice that I
should
> not have two CD burner packages installed, and the realization that I'd
never
> use DirectCD again, I uninstalled DirectCD. I've since learned that
Roxio's
> DirectCD is in and of itself the worst virus infection I've ever seen. It
> won't uninstall cleanly, their "tech support" is no help, and now my
system
> won't boot. When I boot into Windows 2000 Pro, it appears to boot
normally.
> In searching the web I've found that many others have come to similar
grief,
> but no solutions to my specific problem. First sign of trouble is that
while
> my auto-start apps are still getting settled in, a box appears saying
> "Preparing to install" with no appname. Its cancel button does
nothing.
> About ten seconds later,
[PEDA] Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
HELP!!! In attempting to uninstall DirectCD, I've gotten my system into a state where it won't boot! Sorry if I'm off-topic, but I'm desperate and these lists are the best resource I've found for help. Others may save themselves much grief by learning from my experience. I'm cross-posting to the DXP list as well. My recent queries on the web encouraged me to buy Ahead Nero to replace Roxio's DirectCD. Thus far, that advice still seems to have been good - Nero is far superior to DirectCD, and far more stable. I had them both installed and peacefully coexisting. On advice that I should not have two CD burner packages installed, and the realization that I'd never use DirectCD again, I uninstalled DirectCD. I've since learned that Roxio's DirectCD is in and of itself the worst virus infection I've ever seen. It won't uninstall cleanly, their "tech support" is no help, and now my system won't boot. When I boot into Windows 2000 Pro, it appears to boot normally. In searching the web I've found that many others have come to similar grief, but no solutions to my specific problem. First sign of trouble is that while my auto-start apps are still getting settled in, a box appears saying "Preparing to install" with no appname. Its cancel button does nothing. About ten seconds later, the box goes away - and then comes back. Total of about 6 times or so, and then the system does a normal shutdown and reboots Again, and again, and again. I've killed almost a full day on this so far, with no end in sight. Spelunking in the registry finds many hundreds of entries sprinkled all over the place, referring to Roxio, DirectCD, etc. I spent a couple hours deleting absolutely every registry entry which looked remotely related. This was only a "crippleware" version of DirectCD that could just barely write a data CD; any other operation took me automatically to Roxio's website to buy the full version. Thus I'm not only pretty ticked at Roxio, but also at Dell. Dell preinstalled this on the machine, and the sales pitch implied I was getting the full version. Thus I consider this to be bait-and-switch, plain and simple. So Dell is now on my blacklist too (it wouldn't have taken much after their fiasco with proprietary power supplies, but that's another whole story). I've tried unplugging the CD drive and rebooting, unplugging all the USB peripherals on the theory that something there is trying to install, etc., all to no avail. I've already run the Win2K Repair from the CD; no joy there either. So I'm getting ready to reinstall Win2K, and cringing at the thought of all the drivers etc. that I'll need to set up again. There is a slim chance that this might have been precipitated by a virus other than Roxio, because one of my clients had a particularly nasty virus infection last week. But I haven't downloaded any executables from them, and I'm well-guarded against other forms such as macros. And the problem showed up right after I ran Ahead's driver clean utility. My best guess at present is that Roxio left something around which now detects that the rest isn't installed, and it's trying to repair the installation. But that's only a guess. I can get to the Windows recovery console, and also to Safe mode. but haven't had any luck repairing things that way. Any and all tips gratefully accepted!! Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
