Re: [PEDA] Seperate Systems - was Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
Ivan, While there certainly are reasonable limitations and exceptions, burning a CD is certainly not something that can generally be done at the same time while you are multitasking and designing a board with Protel, or even writing code, and is in fact somehting you could very easily do on at least 2 of the other 4 machines you have available right there at your desk, while you continued to work on your work machine. Certainly there may be other cad tasks that are best shared on your work machine, but not very much of an arguement can be made to say that burning CD's, for whatever reason, is one of them, especially when it is with the software under discussion as being the problem in the original posts. The primary point of my original post was to raise awareness of peoples investment in their Protel Machine / Toolbox, so as to prevent problems by needlessly trying to multitask on that machine where certain tasks, such as burning a CD, can be done so easily elsewhere. There really is no reason to invite problems on your Protel Machine /Toolbox when you do not have to. Thanks, JaMi - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Seperate Systems - was Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes JaMi: While using a separate PC for each application will certainly reduce conflicts, it should not be necessary. You see, there is this concept called multitasking - check it out! ;-) I burn CDs on my Protel workstation too. And I'm not talking about MP3 CDs. I burn CDs of our hardware drivers for our customers. So it's entirely work-related CD burning activity. That's just as important as running Protel. I already have 5 PCs (Linux server, linux client, W2K workstation, W95 miscellaneous, and a DOS/W95 hackbox) on/under/beside my desk anyway. No way I'm going to add yet another PC just to run one program which should get along with other programs anyway. I could afford to buy another PC. I just can't stand any more clutter. Behind my desk looks like an explosion in a cable factory. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Seperate Systems - was Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
JaMi: The primary point of my original post was to raise awareness of peoples investment in their Protel Machine / Toolbox, so as to prevent problems by needlessly trying to multitask on that machine where certain tasks, such as burning a CD, can be done so easily elsewhere. There really is no reason to invite problems on your Protel Machine /Toolbox when you do not have to. In other news, BigMoCo announced today the existence of a flaw in the safety belt ignition interlock system on some of their 1998-2002 models. The flaw affects cars with a seating capacity of 5 persons. The rear seat middle safety belt interlock deactivates the ignition circuit when someone is buckled in. This prevents the car from starting. BigMoCo is not issuing a recall, but instead offers the following solutions: 1) Carry 4 or fewer persons in the car 2) Buy an old used car with 5-person seating, and use it only when transporting 5 people. For 4 or fewer persons, continue using your quality BigMoCo automobile. These solutions have been tested and are known to work. A BigMoCo company spokesperson said the flaw is not serious enough to warrant a recall. He apologized for the inconvenience, spoke about the high quality of their customer service, and reiterated their company policy Quality is Job Zero ;-) And my primary point is I shouldn't have to use a separate machine to work around these s/w problems. The s/w problems should just be fixed. Oh, and of my 5 boxes, only 2 have CD burners. The files I want to burn are on the W2K Protel box. What's up with the uppercase 'M' in your name? Should I start calling myself IvAn ? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Seperate Systems - was Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
JaMi: While using a separate PC for each application will certainly reduce conflicts, it should not be necessary. You see, there is this concept called multitasking - check it out! ;-) I burn CDs on my Protel workstation too. And I'm not talking about MP3 CDs. I burn CDs of our hardware drivers for our customers. So it's entirely work-related CD burning activity. That's just as important as running Protel. I already have 5 PCs (Linux server, linux client, W2K workstation, W95 miscellaneous, and a DOS/W95 hackbox) on/under/beside my desk anyway. No way I'm going to add yet another PC just to run one program which should get along with other programs anyway. I could afford to buy another PC. I just can't stand any more clutter. Behind my desk looks like an explosion in a cable factory. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [PEDA] Seperate Systems - was Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes Steve, I hope that the long thread of responses in the DXP forum helped you get your problem resolved with your system. Reading the posts gave me pause to think about a few things regarding my own computer systems, and I thought that I would share some of those thoughts here in the forums, which are not necessarily related to your problem or post, but related to the many problems and crashes that I myself have had in the past, and the many other similar problems and responses posted here in the forums by both I myself and others who have had problems with our systems and different combinations of software installed on them. The following are my conclusions that apply to me and what I need to keep in mind in keeping my own house in order. I thought that I would share them here in the various Protel forums simply to supply some food for thought for others who may be in situations similar to myself. Protel 99 SE had a List Price of $8,000.00. Protel DXP currently has a List Price of $8,000.00. Irrespective of whatever special package deals or upgrade offers anyone may have gotten, or which version of the software anyone may be using, the fact remains that Protel is an $8,000.00 software package. That very expensive software package was purchased for the purpose of making money, by way of making Printed Circuit Boards (or programming ASICs). Whether by direct consulting, or performing a job for an employer, the Protel software package is basically used as a source of income. Some of this income is secondary income, but most of it is primary income. The bottom line, plain and simple, is that Protel is an $8,000.00 software package that I rely on for my livelihood. The reliability of the Protel software package, and the related libraries (both those supplied with Protel and especially those that I have developed myself), and related databases, especially of schematics or PCB designs (whether past (completed projects or Boards), current (in process), or future (those that I have yet to do)), and related files, when all considered as a whole, especially when considered in terms of capabilities and requirements in terms of performing the task of earning that income, whether primary or secondary, represent far far more that a mere $8,000.00 investment in piece of software on a CD ROM and the License that comes with it. This is especially true when one considers the amount of actual time one either has invested in their own Protel Machine / Toolbox, or the amount of time that they stand to loose should anything happen to that Machine / Toolbox which would require its replacement or its repair. By Machine / Toolbox, I mean not only the software itself, but also all of the other things that have gone into having the ability to use Protel to produce the end product of income. One of the smaller components of that Protel Machine / Toolbox, is of course a computer system, which is needed in order to be able to use the Protel software package itself. Even the very best of computer systems available today, including the hardware, the operating system, and the monitor, will still come out to less than half of the original cost of the Protel software itself, in terms of price, at about $4,000.00. In reality, most people can put together an excellent system on which to run Protel for much less at around one eighth the of cost, or $1,000.00. Computers systems to do other tasks, whatever they may be, such as email, browsing the internet, playing games, burning a CD or listening to one, or even programming, can all be done on last years machine, with yesterdays operating system and yesterdays technology, on a separate machine which ranges in cost or value from $500.00 on down to nothing. The whole point is this. Why take a computer system which may
[PEDA] Seperate Systems - was Roxio, Nero, Virii and crashes
Steve, I hope that the long thread of responses in the DXP forum helped you get your problem resolved with your system. Reading the posts gave me pause to think about a few things regarding my own computer systems, and I thought that I would share some of those thoughts here in the forums, which are not necessarily related to your problem or post, but related to the many problems and crashes that I myself have had in the past, and the many other similar problems and responses posted here in the forums by both I myself and others who have had problems with our systems and different combinations of software installed on them. The following are my conclusions that apply to me and what I need to keep in mind in keeping my own house in order. I thought that I would share them here in the various Protel forums simply to supply some food for thought for others who may be in situations similar to myself. Protel 99 SE had a List Price of $8,000.00. Protel DXP currently has a List Price of $8,000.00. Irrespective of whatever special package deals or upgrade offers anyone may have gotten, or which version of the software anyone may be using, the fact remains that Protel is an $8,000.00 software package. That very expensive software package was purchased for the purpose of making money, by way of making Printed Circuit Boards (or programming ASICs). Whether by direct consulting, or performing a job for an employer, the Protel software package is basically used as a source of income. Some of this income is secondary income, but most of it is primary income. The bottom line, plain and simple, is that Protel is an $8,000.00 software package that I rely on for my livelihood. The reliability of the Protel software package, and the related libraries (both those supplied with Protel and especially those that I have developed myself), and related databases, especially of schematics or PCB designs (whether past (completed projects or Boards), current (in process), or future (those that I have yet to do)), and related files, when all considered as a whole, especially when considered in terms of capabilities and requirements in terms of performing the task of earning that income, whether primary or secondary, represent far far more that a mere $8,000.00 investment in piece of software on a CD ROM and the License that comes with it. This is especially true when one considers the amount of actual time one either has invested in their own Protel Machine / Toolbox, or the amount of time that they stand to loose should anything happen to that Machine / Toolbox which would require its replacement or its repair. By Machine / Toolbox, I mean not only the software itself, but also all of the other things that have gone into having the ability to use Protel to produce the end product of income. One of the smaller components of that Protel Machine / Toolbox, is of course a computer system, which is needed in order to be able to use the Protel software package itself. Even the very best of computer systems available today, including the hardware, the operating system, and the monitor, will still come out to less than half of the original cost of the Protel software itself, in terms of price, at about $4,000.00. In reality, most people can put together an excellent system on which to run Protel for much less at around one eighth the of cost, or $1,000.00. Computers systems to do other tasks, whatever they may be, such as email, browsing the internet, playing games, burning a CD or listening to one, or even programming, can all be done on last years machine, with yesterdays operating system and yesterdays technology, on a separate machine which ranges in cost or value from $500.00 on down to nothing. The whole point is this. Why take a computer system which may range in price from $1,000.00 to $4,000.00, including an operating system, and then install an $8,000.00 software package, and then invest much much more in dollar value in terms of time and energy, to build a Protel Machine / Toolbox, on which ones livelihood depends, and which is ultimately used to generate income, and then install other software or things which are not relevant to that livelyhood or income producing capability, which can ultimately damage, incapacitate, or even possibly destroy that Protel Machine / Toolbox, and cause you to have to repair or replace it, and possibly even loose part of it (oops!, there goes the hard drive with the file that was just about ready to get backed up!). Hubs, Switches, Routers, Network Adapter Cards, Cat5 Cables, and even whole Computers, are cheap. Really cheap. Especially by comparison. Computers and components are getting so cheap today, that for all practical purposes, many computers and their components can be almost considered as throwaway computers. Why on earth should one invest more than $10,000.00 in real hard currency (on average), and much much more in real time and real energy, on building a Protel Machine
