Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files]
Tony It is a very interesting site, but I have found by digging around there in the past for other stuff that they usually do not go too "deep" into a site, and certainly not into any "query" type pages such as the knowledge base. Thanks, JaMi - Original Message - From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files] > If you want to browse their old KB, go to www.archive.org and you can go > back as far as Dec 21, 1996 > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 2:30 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Cc: JaMi Smith > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel > > [was:Viewing gerber files] > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel > > [was:Viewing gerber files] > > > > > > > Wow, check this out: > > > > > > http://www.airborn.com.au/layout/autotbug.html > > > > > > > Woah! How old is that site . . . > > > > Talk about a smoking gun on the question of the failure of > > Protel to correct known problems . . . > > > > I'll even bet it is even listed in an old copy of the > > Knowledge Base (if anyone has an old copy), but not the > > current copy since they appear to "cull" the "old problems" > > with "previous Protel releases" from the current version of > > the Knowledge Base, probably for this very reason . . . > > > > JaMi > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files]
If you want to browse their old KB, go to www.archive.org and you can go back as far as Dec 21, 1996 > -Original Message- > From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 2:30 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Cc: JaMi Smith > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel > [was:Viewing gerber files] > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel > [was:Viewing gerber files] > > > > Wow, check this out: > > > > http://www.airborn.com.au/layout/autotbug.html > > > > Woah! How old is that site . . . > > Talk about a smoking gun on the question of the failure of > Protel to correct known problems . . . > > I'll even bet it is even listed in an old copy of the > Knowledge Base (if anyone has an old copy), but not the > current copy since they appear to "cull" the "old problems" > with "previous Protel releases" from the current version of > the Knowledge Base, probably for this very reason . . . > > JaMi > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files]
- Original Message - From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files] > Wow, check this out: > > http://www.airborn.com.au/layout/autotbug.html > Woah! How old is that site . . . Talk about a smoking gun on the question of the failure of Protel to correct known problems . . . I'll even bet it is even listed in an old copy of the Knowledge Base (if anyone has an old copy), but not the current copy since they appear to "cull" the "old problems" with "previous Protel releases" from the current version of the Knowledge Base, probably for this very reason . . . JaMi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files]
2nd that motion. That is really true with most cad systems, Cadnetix (an old system) actually used your own library parts to represent the gerber read back into the CAD system, so no check there at all. Even when VeriBest came about originally they gave you the ability to check your gerbers using some sort of drafting viewer, which again was no real check of gerber output, and VeriBest soon after supplied GerbTool with its product. Whether the CAD system supplies it or not a gerber viewer by some other company than the CAD system is absolutely needed to verify output. Unless of course you want to hope your fab vendor will catch bad output. Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: "Kulajew Waldemar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:43 AM Subject: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files] > Tony, Alfonso and enyone who might care, > >shure you are able to view gerber files by reemport them into Protel. And I fell into that trap! >For Protel read its own mistakes as good files. As discussed here some weeks ago Protel has a wrong definition of octagonal Pads (they are rotated about 22,5 degrees) so if you use is in a Polygon, and the maufacturer use it like it is, it shorts everything! If you use Protel for viewing your gerber-files you will not see this error, in Camtastic or other viewers you will. >So I prefer external viewers. And for beeing completely shure I use a viewer that is not sold with the EDA-System. Spell: Graphicode or other freeware. > > regards > > Waldemar > >> -Original Message- >> From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:51 AM >> To: 'Protel EDA Forum' >> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files >> >> <-- snipp --> >> I've had very good success with this even >> though some people >> complain that it isn't good to use a viewer from the same >> people that >> made the generator. I think that thinking might be faulty, >> because they >> were probably fairly independent developments. Now that Protel has >> Camtastic, they have two solutions for you. (Camtastic was >> supplied with >> P99 or was it P99SE??) >> >> Tony > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files]
On 11:31 AM 25/11/2002 -0800, Tony Karavidas said: Wow, check this out: http://www.airborn.com.au/layout/autotbug.html The site states: "Octagonal pads are rotated by 22.5 degrees in gerber plots. Most australian manufacturers then rotate them back again for you. I elect not to use octagonal pads for this reason. This issue may be duplicated in other versions of Protel software" So apparently this issue you point out has been around for quite some time!! It sure has - But it should be fixed real soon now as Geoff Harland now works for Altium and this (rotated octagonal flashes) has been one of his **major** hobby horses for as long as I can recall. This issue has come up regularly on this forum over the years. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files]
Wow, check this out: http://www.airborn.com.au/layout/autotbug.html The site states: "Octagonal pads are rotated by 22.5 degrees in gerber plots. Most australian manufacturers then rotate them back again for you. I elect not to use octagonal pads for this reason. This issue may be duplicated in other versions of Protel software" So apparently this issue you point out has been around for quite some time!! > -Original Message- > From: Kulajew Waldemar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:43 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing > gerber files] > > > Tony, Alfonso and enyone who might care, > >shure you are able to view gerber files by reemport them > into Protel. And I fell into that trap! >For Protel read its own mistakes as good files. As > discussed here some weeks ago Protel has a wrong definition > of octagonal Pads (they are rotated about 22,5 degrees) so if > you use is in a Polygon, and the maufacturer use it like it > is, it shorts everything! If you use Protel for viewing your > gerber-files you will not see this error, in Camtastic or > other viewers you will. >So I prefer external viewers. And for beeing completely > shure I use a viewer that is not sold with the EDA-System. > Spell: Graphicode or other freeware. > > regards > > Waldemar > >> -Original Message- >> From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:51 AM >> To: 'Protel EDA Forum' >> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files >> >> <-- snipp --> >> I've had very good success with this even >> though some people >> complain that it isn't good to use a viewer from the same >> people that >> made the generator. I think that thinking might be faulty, >> because they >> were probably fairly independent developments. Now that > Protel has >> Camtastic, they have two solutions for you. (Camtastic was >> supplied with >> P99 or was it P99SE??) >> >> Tony > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Viewing gerber files with Protel [was:Viewing gerber files]
Tony, Alfonso and enyone who might care, shure you are able to view gerber files by reemport them into Protel. And I fell into that trap! For Protel read its own mistakes as good files. As discussed here some weeks ago Protel has a wrong definition of octagonal Pads (they are rotated about 22,5 degrees) so if you use is in a Polygon, and the maufacturer use it like it is, it shorts everything! If you use Protel for viewing your gerber-files you will not see this error, in Camtastic or other viewers you will. So I prefer external viewers. And for beeing completely shure I use a viewer that is not sold with the EDA-System. Spell: Graphicode or other freeware. regards Waldemar > -Original Message- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:51 AM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files > > <-- snipp --> > I've had very good success with this even > though some people > complain that it isn't good to use a viewer from the same > people that > made the generator. I think that thinking might be faulty, > because they > were probably fairly independent developments. Now that Protel has > Camtastic, they have two solutions for you. (Camtastic was > supplied with > P99 or was it P99SE??) > > Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
