Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-23 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax

At 09:52 PM 4/19/2002 -0400, Brian Guralnick wrote:
>| I'll look into this, it may prevent the boot messages, etc. from spanning,
>| though that is a minor annoyance.
>|
>It does.

Yes, it does, but it causes other problems. Six of one and a half dozen of 
the other. No time to write about this today


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Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-19 Thread Brian Guralnick

| I'll look into this, it may prevent the boot messages, etc. from spanning, 
| though that is a minor annoyance.
| 
It does.



Brian Guralnick


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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] dual monitors


| At 10:30 PM 4/18/2002 -0400, Brian Guralnick wrote:
| > When you install the matrox drivers, you must select 'Install 
| > enhanced multimonitor support'.
| >Once in windows, in your advanced display control settings, for 
| >multimonitor mode, you muse select different resolution & # of
| >colors foe each monitor.
| 
| I didn't do this. I think this is a suggestion regarding Windows system 
| messages that bypass the Matrox Powerdesk controls.
| 
| > Now, you can still use the same resolution & number of colors on each 
| > screen, but now, WinXP/Win2K now understands that you have
| >2 different screens connected instead of 1 large wide screen.  Now the OS, 
| >will prevent these message windows from appearing right
| >in-between the 2 monitors.
| 
| 
| 

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Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-19 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax

At 10:30 PM 4/18/2002 -0400, Brian Guralnick wrote:
> When you install the matrox drivers, you must select 'Install 
> enhanced multimonitor support'.
>Once in windows, in your advanced display control settings, for 
>multimonitor mode, you muse select different resolution & # of
>colors foe each monitor.

I didn't do this. I think this is a suggestion regarding Windows system 
messages that bypass the Matrox Powerdesk controls.

> Now, you can still use the same resolution & number of colors on each 
> screen, but now, WinXP/Win2K now understands that you have
>2 different screens connected instead of 1 large wide screen.  Now the OS, 
>will prevent these message windows from appearing right
>in-between the 2 monitors.

I'll look into this, it may prevent the boot messages, etc. from spanning, 
though that is a minor annoyance.




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Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Brian Guralnick

When you install the matrox drivers, you must select 'Install enhanced 
multimonitor support'.
Once in windows, in your advanced display control settings, for multimonitor mode, you 
muse select different resolution & # of
colors foe each monitor.

Now, you can still use the same resolution & number of colors on each screen, but 
now, WinXP/Win2K now understands that you have
2 different screens connected instead of 1 large wide screen.  Now the OS, will 
prevent these message windows from appearing right
in-between the 2 monitors.


Brian Guralnick


- Original Message -
From: "Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] dual monitors


|
|
| > -Original Message-
| > From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| > Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 2:32 AM
| > To: Protel EDA Forum
| > Subject: Re: [PEDA] dual monitors
| >
|
| > If the Protel window is maximized, it spreads across both monitors;
| > individual windows can then be sized so that one window is on
| > one monitor
| > and another on the other monitor.
|
| Using Matrox PowerDesk, version 6.82.016 if the Protel window is maximized
| it fills one monitor only.
|
| I have to 'restore' the window to a smaller size and then stretch it across
| both monitors.
|
| Annoying, perhaps I should revert to the earlier version. But I seem to
| remember having problems (crashes) with this earlier driver on my system,
| and I have had only one problem with the latest version:
|
| Protel is expanded across both desktops (as above) and I open a single
| schematic which is centred half on one desktop half on the other. When I go
| to place a part on the half of the schematic showing in the second monitor
| the part jumps to the middle of the second screen when the cursor is about
| 25% of the way across, (whilst the part is still being carried). Moving back
| across the 25% line the part jumps back under the cursor.
|
| As having one schematic open this way is annoying (I usually maximise Protel
| so it fills only one monitor when working with a single document) this is
| not really a problem for me.
|

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Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Thomas



> -Original Message-
> From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 2:32 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] dual monitors
> 

> If the Protel window is maximized, it spreads across both monitors; 
> individual windows can then be sized so that one window is on 
> one monitor 
> and another on the other monitor.

Using Matrox PowerDesk, version 6.82.016 if the Protel window is maximized
it fills one monitor only. 

I have to 'restore' the window to a smaller size and then stretch it across
both monitors.

Annoying, perhaps I should revert to the earlier version. But I seem to
remember having problems (crashes) with this earlier driver on my system,
and I have had only one problem with the latest version:

Protel is expanded across both desktops (as above) and I open a single
schematic which is centred half on one desktop half on the other. When I go
to place a part on the half of the schematic showing in the second monitor
the part jumps to the middle of the second screen when the cursor is about
25% of the way across, (whilst the part is still being carried). Moving back
across the 25% line the part jumps back under the cursor.

As having one schematic open this way is annoying (I usually maximise Protel
so it fills only one monitor when working with a single document) this is
not really a problem for me.


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Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Thomas



> -Original Message-
> From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 6:08 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] dual monitors
> 
> 
> At 12:16 PM 4/18/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
> >we have 2 ea 21's and matrox G550 card
> >can't get the center pop-up message dialogs to NOT straddle 
> the screens
> >
> >what exactly did you do?
> 
> Matrox QuickDesk / Multi-Display Controls / Use Center POPUP 
> / In Parent 
> Program Display.
> 
> I also have the setting , under Multi-Display Controls, 
> Maximize Program 
> Windows / in Parent Program Display, but that is just for 
> information, I 
> don't think it will affect the pop-up position.
> 
> >i think i recall seeing the 'center' option but it appears 
> to not work
> >got the latest driver and all that
> 
> Matrox PowerDesk, version 6.72.018. That's not the driver, 
> per se, it is 
> the Matrox display utility. If you don't have it, get it from Matrox.
> 


Matrox PowerDesk, version 6.82.016 does not appear to have this feature.

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Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax

At 12:16 PM 4/18/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
>we have 2 ea 21's and matrox G550 card
>can't get the center pop-up message dialogs to NOT straddle the screens
>
>what exactly did you do?

Matrox QuickDesk / Multi-Display Controls / Use Center POPUP / In Parent 
Program Display.

I also have the setting , under Multi-Display Controls, Maximize Program 
Windows / in Parent Program Display, but that is just for information, I 
don't think it will affect the pop-up position.

>i think i recall seeing the 'center' option but it appears to not work
>got the latest driver and all that

Matrox PowerDesk, version 6.72.018. That's not the driver, per se, it is 
the Matrox display utility. If you don't have it, get it from Matrox.

>which card do you have?

Matrox G450.

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Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Dennis Saputelli

we have 2 ea 21's and matrox G550 card
can't get the center pop-up message dialogs to NOT straddle the screens

what exactly did you do?
i think i recall seeing the 'center' option but it appears to not work
got the latest driver and all that

which card do you have?
BTW, the second output on my card is DVI and has an analog adapter
thingy

it is noticeably less sharp than the first (primary) analog output
if i had it to do over i would get an older dual analog output

Dennis Saputelli

Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote:
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> 
> I often write for this list now with Eudora (mail) on one monitor and
> Protel 99SE on the other. Protel is not dual-monitor aware, so until I
> configured the Matrox dual-head utility to center pop-up menus on one
> monitor instead of on the desktops, it was a bit of a nuisance, since the
> menus would straddle the displays. But that is gone now, with the Matrox
> software. Some W2000 system messages and dialogs still pop up in the
> center, such as boot messages or the Task Manager, a minor irritation.
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Re: [PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax

At 07:36 AM 4/18/2002 -0700, Graham wrote:
>At a recent Protel 99SE training session by Altium, I heard mention of
>the use of dual monitors in a single instance of Protel.  Does anyone
>know how this is set up?  It would be great to view two full-screen
>documents simultaneously. Thanks.

Windows 98SE and Windows 2000 support dual monitors with two video cards; 
there are also dual head cards, such as some of the Matrox cards. I'm using 
the Matrox G450.

I would never voluntarily go back to a single monitor unless it were truly 
enormous.

I'm running two 21 inch displays, I got them both on ubid.com for less than 
$200 each plus shipping. Each display is set for 1600x1200, and I have them 
set up for side-by-side display of the desktop, so the desktop is 3200x1200.

I often write for this list now with Eudora (mail) on one monitor and 
Protel 99SE on the other. Protel is not dual-monitor aware, so until I 
configured the Matrox dual-head utility to center pop-up menus on one 
monitor instead of on the desktops, it was a bit of a nuisance, since the 
menus would straddle the displays. But that is gone now, with the Matrox 
software. Some W2000 system messages and dialogs still pop up in the 
center, such as boot messages or the Task Manager, a minor irritation.

If the Protel window is maximized, it spreads across both monitors; 
individual windows can then be sized so that one window is on one monitor 
and another on the other monitor.

There is a web design company on the first floor of this building, with 
windows on the central common space, so you can see everyone. Each 
workstation has two monitors. I would provide the same for every employee, 
if I had employees (I'm working only with contractors).

You may not realize what you are missing until you try it There are 
still some people who say, "Computer? I don't have a computer, what would I 
need a computer for?" The same question gets asked about RAM upgrades, 
large hard disks, faster computers, etc., etc.

And it gets  asked about dual displays. I'm considering a third monitor 
But physically it starts to get awkward above two.




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[PEDA] dual monitors

2002-04-18 Thread Graham

At a recent Protel 99SE training session by Altium, I heard mention of
the use of dual monitors in a single instance of Protel.  Does anyone
know how this is set up?  It would be great to view two full-screen
documents simultaneously. Thanks.

Graham.

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