Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control-wind tunnel

2009-07-27 Thread I
Quoting rq1...@q7.com: However, i think the results of a rotary test on our canard idea would be hard to interpret due to the non-negligible, and mostly unknown vorticity in the impinging stream that would be present due to repeated passage through already disturbed air. I see your point, and I

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control-wind tunnel

2009-07-27 Thread Woods, Ray LA Tecolote
From: psas-airframe-boun...@lists.psas.pdx.edu [psas-airframe-boun...@lists.psas.pdx.edu] On Behalf Of rq1...@q7.com [rq1...@q7.com] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:26 AM To: psas-airframe@lists.psas.pdx.edu Subject: Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control-wind tunnel A rotary test tra

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control-wind tunnel

2009-07-27 Thread rq17zt
A rotary test track definitely makes sense when testing performance in an already turbulent airstream. However, i think the results of a rotary test on our canard idea would be hard to interpret due to the non-negligible, and mostly unknown vorticity in the impinging stream that would be present d

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread rq17zt
(2009.07.08) kirk...@pdx.edu: >[..] >> My experience with off the shelf servos is they won't re-point with single >> degree accuracy but i haven't tried the more expensive digital servos. > > Remember, our linkage ratio is not 1:1. The servo travels (180,,) > degrees. The fin requires (,36,50) de

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread I
Since you're doing the work, you should do it the way that seems best to you. :) The linkage will be hard to get working well, but if it does work well it will be a thing of beauty. I don't think it will be hard, but we'll see. My experience with off the shelf servos is they won't re-po

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread Doug Ausmus
How about access to a random 3-axis shaker table? I don't know if I can arrange that or not, but I have a few connections and could try. -Doug On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Barton C Massey wrote: > It would be nice if someone just had a paint shaker, to > start with. We also have been known t

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread Barton C Massey
It would be nice if someone just had a paint shaker, to start with. We also have been known to whirl things around on long ropes... Bart In message <307640010907081713n6a953bbbv4993aaeffce06...@mail.gmail.com> you wrote: > Do we have access to rigging/machinery to help us simulate the g

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread Doug Ausmus
Do we have access to rigging/machinery to help us simulate the g-forces in the proper axis also while in test-harness mode? On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Nathan Bergey wrote: > > If i were to pick a root cause: inadequate testing. > > If you are saying that we didn't throw enough things out of

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread Nathan Bergey
> If i were to pick a root cause: inadequate testing. If you are saying that we didn't throw enough things out of airplanes then I couldn't agree more. :) What do you suggest would count as proper testing? Someone (alright, me) can work on building tests before we even make the thing so that we

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread rq17zt
(2009.07.08) kirk...@pdx.edu: > Quoting rq1...@q7.com: >> If i were doing it i'd use 4 mechanically independent servos. I estimate >> the reliability of doing this is about 1/2 of the single servo system >> being proposed. (Can we put the cool linkage drawing on the wiki page?) >> >> Despite the re

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread I
Quoting Doug Ausmus : What has been the root-cause of each of the three failed ARM flights? I'm pretty sure that two of the failures were attributed to a failed IO pin on the micro. My understanding was that the pin failed in such a way that it looked like it was fine, but actually was not

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread Doug Ausmus
"...if the micro messes up and the servos go out of sync. Keep in mind we have NEVER successfully flown an ARM micro in 3 airborne tests. I will be happy to machine both the linked single servo..." What has been the root-cause of each of the three failed ARM flights? A robust controller solution w

Re: [psas-airframe] Roll control

2009-07-08 Thread I
Quoting rq1...@q7.com: If i were doing it i'd use 4 mechanically independent servos. I estimate the reliability of doing this is about 1/2 of the single servo system being proposed. (Can we put the cool linkage drawing on the wiki page?) Despite the reduced reliability, i still think the 4 ind