Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Thierry Florac
Here is another feedback about Zed's article: https://eev.ee/blog/2016/11/23/a-rebuttal-for-python-3/ Regards, Thierry 2016-11-24 20:54 GMT+01:00 Mike Orr : > It also reminds me of the switch to the metric system. The reason > Americans are adverse to it is that it was taught in school in the >

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Mike Orr
It also reminds me of the switch to the metric system. The reason Americans are adverse to it is that it was taught in school in the 1970s as a bunch of obscure conversion functions. A meter is 39 inches. A kilometer is 5/6 of a mile. A centimeter is tiny compared to an inch; look at a ruler. A lit

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Mike Orr
I have a friend who teaches Python to beginners and uses it for scientific programming, so I'll see what he says. The biggest holdup in Python 3 adoption has been third-party dependencies, especially for applications that use a lot of them. Pyramid has a lot of dependencies because it was designed

[pylons-discuss] Re: [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread wilk
I think Python 3 is a good language also, but the decision to update all my legacy code made me look at others languages. I found Go a better investment, specially that i found the design of the web server api very close to what i do with Pyramid. -- William -- You received this message beca

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Bert JW Regeer
https://eev.ee/blog/2016/11/23/a-rebuttal-for-python-3/ I will be the first to admit that I at one point looked up to Zed, he was always coming out with some new piece of software, iterating quickly, and sure he used to yell at communities and projects, but in general they actually contained re

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Mikko Ohtamaa
Community seems to agree and did not like this behavior. On Reddit /r/python and /r/learnpython has removed links to Zed's tutorials. While Zed is a respected community member and has done a lot of hard work for making Python available especially for newcomers, he might be have been little bit too

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Tom Lazar
I can literally +1 *all* of the previous replies. Sent from a phone, please excuse the brevity. > On 24 Nov 2016, at 15:08, John Anderson wrote: > > For the last 2 years every project I've worked on has been Python3 only. At > SurveyMonkey we had ~60 different services and ported all shared c

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread John Anderson
For the last 2 years every project I've worked on has been Python3 only. At SurveyMonkey we had ~60 different services and ported all shared code between them to Python3 four years ago and started shipping production Python3 two years ago. It is a much better language and it really annoys me worki

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Chris Rossi
Transition could have been better handled, but Python 3 is great once you get over. Chris On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Thierry Florac wrote: > Perfectly agree with previous comments! > I can't estimate the theory behind Turing machines and so on. But on a > practical point of view, I worked

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Thierry Florac
Perfectly agree with previous comments! I can't estimate the theory behind Turing machines and so on. But on a practical point of view, I worked for a long time with Python 2 and Zope 3 and had to upgrade all my private packages to use them with Python 3 (starting with Python 3.) and Pyramid: the r

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Christoph Zwerschke
Has the same taste as the recent election campaign. Start with extraordinary and alarming, but totally false and uneducated claims ("Python 3 is not Turing complete", "you can't run Python 2 and Python 3 along with each other" etc.) and conclude that we should revert everything and do things in

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Brian Sutherland
It's just really funny that this was written at the precise moment I feel like the library-support inflection point has been reached and I can start doing everything in python 3. In my experience python 3 is also definitely a better language. On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 09:03:51AM -0200, Vinicius Ass

Re: [pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Mikko Ohtamaa
Bullshit. All new works I have been working are Python 3 based and Python 3 is much better language to work with. Due to natural change resistance in human beings, a very well studied psychological effect, you always find people who go to great lengths to resist a change. There will be always pain

[pylons-discuss] [off-topic] The Case Against Python 3

2016-11-24 Thread Vinicius Assef
Hey guys. As Pyramid was the first framework supporting Python 3, what do you think about this position? https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/nopython3.html What are your experiences regarding Python 3 as broken? -- Vinicius Assef -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t