lying the lessons they've already
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On Sat, 15 May 2021, 6:35 am Paul Moore, wrote:
> On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 21:18, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
>
> > > In other words, this isn't a technology problem, it's a people
> > > problem.
> >
> > Both. I didn't suggest this is technology problem. We, have to
> > choose one as per majority
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, 8:18 am Terry Reedy, wrote:
>
> The one thing I think needs to be discussed and not been much, at least
> not publicly that I have seen, is whether we really want to go down the
> road of contextual keywords. There are some negatives as well as
> positives. Just because the
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, 6:21 am Python Steering Council, <
steering-coun...@python.org> wrote:
> After much deliberation, the Python Steering Council is happy to announce
> that we have chosen to accept PEP 634, and its companion PEPs 635 and 636,
> collectively known as the Pattern Matching PEPs. We
I think you had good reason to call it EnumMeta though: to better
distinguish "the enum meta type" (i.e. EnumMeta) from "enum types" (i.e.
instances of EnumMeta).
Cheers,
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2021, 9:17 am Ethan Furman, wrote:
> The question:
>
>Can we change the name of classes if we keep
Congratulations, all!
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As the PEP notes, the PyPA devs already assumed this is what would happen
for ambiguous version numbers, so it looks good to me.
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On Thu., 22 Oct. 2020, 5:58 am Brett Cannon, wrote:
> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0641/ (once the cron job runs)
>
>
>
Thank you, Larry!
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Enabling that workaround for embedders using threads without coroutines
while figuring out the real underlying contextvars issue seems like a
reasonable change to make in the maintenance branches.
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Huzzah!
Thank you to you and the rest of the release team for coordinating this,
and to everyone that contributed changes and fixes :)
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On Tue., 15 Oct. 2019, 6:24 am Łukasz Langa, wrote:
> On behalf of the Python development community and the Python 3.8 release
> team, I’m
be
> seeing RC1 out tonight.
I've filed https://bugs.python.org/issue38326 as a release blocker, as
I don't think we should be cutting RCs when changes have been made to
a PEP-approved API without any pre-merge design discussion.
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On Tue., 12 Feb. 2019, 7:18 am Brett Cannon
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:26 AM Victor Stinner
> wrote:
>
>> Le lun. 11 févr. 2019 à 18:58, Carol Willing a
>> écrit :
>> > PS Copying the steering council in case someone has a different view.
>>
>> So you chose a mailing list and not Discourse?
o handle the uncertainty associated
with being accepted as a speaker, but then having to wait to see if
their financial aid was approved before they could accept the speaking
slot.
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preceding page with the final
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would need a group of people reviewing individual 3.6 pull requests to
>> decide to pick them or not. I would volunteer to review these PRs and
>> merge them.
>>
>> The idea isn't new, Nick Coghlan proposed a "ELPython" last year:
>>
>>https
t in
bugs.python.org (which is necessarily linked on GitHub usernames, as
otherwise the CLA check wouldn't pass).
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that a significant proportion of the folks voting will find any of
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On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 7:40 pm Łukasz Langa, wrote:
>
> On Sep 29, 2018, at 09:53, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>
> Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily
> impact the future of python-dev.
>
>
> Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcomi
On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 11:19 am Barry Warsaw, wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2018, at 17:45, Łukasz Langa wrote:
>
> > Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of
> core developers on it. And no, there is no support for it in Discourse.
> >
> > We could probably figure something
ers, but if we find
one where it isn't, then we'd just specify a collation order to use
for Python version comparisons)
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n "X.Y" separator,
or stating that "X_Y" should be used when "XY" would be ambiguous), we
can expect actually making such a release to find latent defects in
assorted different pieces of software. However, unlike the 3.x
compatibility breaks, adap
gates out
when it came time to end discussion of a proposal and make their
decision (whether for or against) stick.
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wrote:
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> At the developer sprints this week, we collectively decided to grant core
> committer status to Emily and Lisa.
Congratulations, and welcome!
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 at 07:02, Zachary Ware wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Most of my effort this week has gone into improving the state of
> buildbot.python.org, which has largely gone into improving Buildbot
> itself.
[snip]
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And I think that's inevitable in an environment driven primarily by
volunteer and sponsored development: the time to pursue particular
activities has to come from somewhere, and that's either going to be
the intrinsic motivations of individuals donating their own time, or
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> On 14 July 2018 at 08:05, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> So stealing Brett's excellent suggestion of "Design Steward" as a
>> BDFL-independent term for the current BDFL-Delegate role, a potential
>> PEP 1 amendment fo
esign complexity, rather than due to it
being a particularly controversial decision on whether or not to do
anything at all.
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careful, we also have lots of systems in place to help us correct
course when we inevitably do make mistakes :)
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quest reactivation (likely just "Check the developer guide to
ensure you're up to speed with any changes since you were last active,
then past to python-committers requesting that your credentials be
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ld Microsoft swag ;)
>
I was going to suggest you ask the Azure dev advocates to come up with
something involving their mascot Bit, and then I noticed the last entry on
https://github.com/ashleymcnamara/Developer-Advocate-Bit#find-me-on-twitter
:)
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On 3 June 2018 at 17:00, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> I'll also email Maciej & EW Durbin ([1]) to see if they've had a chance to
> discuss the rehosting plans for bugs.python.org yet.
>
The status update here is that Maciej has been bringing Ernest up to speed
on the preparatory work tha
he PSF's new Director of Infrastructure [2], who some folks may
already know from his extensive work on PyPI and other parts of the PSF
infrastructure, as well as chairing Python US in 2018/19
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ng why I think it might be a release blocker and
asking the RM to take a look it at
The RM then makes their decision by either commenting to say they're
accepting the issue as a blocker, bumping it down to deferred blocker (if
they don't think it's a blocker *yet*), or else bumping it down to one o
on-dev has also raised sufficient further concerns to push the whole
concept back into python-ideas territory. (I do think the discussions have
clarified the nature of the cases where the current lack of any form of
inline binding support can be genuinely irritat
, and
this mailing list.
Welcome, Petr! :)
Cheers,
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there's also a new "extension modules" topic, which can be selected to
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the creation of
https://portingguide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html )
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you
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me, as being able to do the backport PR reviews as soon as
Miss Islington creates them means I'll still have the original review
fresh in my mind. (I know I can theoretically do that now, but I
currently tend not to look at the details of the backport PRs until
the CI run is finished)
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at we don't backport to
3.7.
Whereas the cherry picking just outright failed on 3.6 because the
current state of the frozen importlib on that branch is different.
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g on humans to notice those
problematic cases, but we may be able to at least have CI fail if
"make regen-all" actually changes any file contents for checked in
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(including Docker
themselves) will also have a fair incentive to solve the problem (although
in that case, their resolution might be "switch back to using OpenSSL given
the improvement over the past couple of years").
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volunteers are mentoring and managing
other volunteers, it's even easier for unconscious biases to come into
play than it is in a more explicitly professional setting.
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ainst the
upstream builds becomes a first step in triage for problems
encountered with redistributor builds: if a problem only shows up in
the distro version, then distro specific patches would be the first
place to look.
Cheers,
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P.S. This thread would probably be better located on python-dev :)
! As the saying
goes, "For most users, if it isn't documented, it may as well not
exist" :)
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+1 from me - I found him very receptive to feedback and easy to work
with when discuss his proposed changes to the runtime typing
machinery.
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een around for a decade and a half,
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On 6 November 2017 at 02:02, Yury Selivanov <yselivanov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The current lack of DeprecationWarnings in 3.6 is a fairly major
>> oversight/bug, though:
>
&
7.2.1 20170915 (Red Hat 7.2.1-2)] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> await = 1
>>> async = 1
>>> print(async, await)
1 1
So if we're going to go ahead with making them
f an existing core
dev reviewing quite a few of a contributor's patches, and then asking
if becoming a core developer themselves is a goal they've considered.
There are some additional responsibilities listed at
https://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#responsibilities, but
aside from the first
for an issue I filed, or I'm
working on a separate change that would end up conflicting with their
PR if I left theirs open.
That way if they think of an alternative approach that they'd prefer
to use, they can still just amend their existing PR and ask for an
additional review, rather than ha
- we have a static set of machines that work through
the merged commits.
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strictly about how the git client authenticates your identity with the
server.
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y generating out-of-place and then
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(if it is the same as the original).
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rently offer that (it doesn't allow self-review
at all, not even to mark your own PRs as still requiring further
changes).
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in addition to thanking the folks working on the migration and the
associated automation, I'd also like to explicitly thank Mariatta,
Terry, Zachary, and everyone else that has contributed to the git
cheatsheet and other workflow documentation updates in the developer's
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ay towncrier works,
and we figure they're close enough in spirit that folks familiar with
one won't have any problems adapting to the other.
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On 15 June 2017 at 19:35, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 June 2017 at 00:40, Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A recent example is Nick Coghlan's implementation of the PEP 538:
>> basically, it broke all buildbots...
say "Hey, my availability is
likely to be intermittent for a while, so the buildbot for
may be unreliable until ".
That way, other folks that care about the platform may be more alert
to resolving platform specific issues during that time (and may even
be able to take over the lead pl
On 15 June 2017 at 23:38, Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2017-06-15 5:31 GMT+02:00 Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com>:
>> For example, something that would be genuinely helpful would be a bot
>> monitoring PR comments that could automate the "
[2] https://bugs.python.org/issue30672
[3] https://bugs.python.org/issue30565#msg296006
[4] https://bugs.python.org/issue30647
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2. Post a "BuildBot: test custom build" comment on the offending PR
3. Original PR author, committer, and anyone else interested continues
the issue resolution process based on the specific links posted back
by the helper bot
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ded a comment with the sprint name.
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y so. :)
Definite +1 from me (I was actually thinking of emailing Carol about
the idea before I saw this thread)
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psf-proffers-payment-to-port-to-python.html
I know at least one former upstream Roundup developer recently moved
into freelance software development & consulting, so I'll chat to him
to see if he has any suggestions for possible ways forward here.
Cheers,
reported Code of Conduct concerns. Handling of the latter will remain
with the PSF Board or their appointed representatives, independently
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preserving current email-based individual workflows, and maintaining a
PSF controlled archive of significant design decisions, rather than
any particular flaws in alternative issue trackers.
Ch
his (and
more reliably than the nosy list on BPO, since it's based on the
actual files touched by a PR).
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ps://github.com/python/core-workflow/issues/44)
>
> Added --abort/--continue options to address
> https://github.com/python/core-workflow/issues/45
>
> Lastly, I added --status option, which will just perform `git status` for
> the cpython directory.
Thank you for the enhancements!
On 15 April 2017 at 03:15, Serhiy Storchaka <storch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14.04.17 17:02, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> That was exactly my reaction when Serhiy pointed it out - I started to
>> argue the point, but then invalidated all my own arguments before
>> actuall
On 12 April 2017 at 01:57, Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Since we do the squash & merge to get an atomic commit at the end, it
>> doesn't make sense to do an
is adequate.)
>
> Some of our core committers need to learn to do this :)
Technically coming up with a meaningful message when committing
patches isn't a new requirement, but I admit it's a lot easier to
forget to clean things up when there's a b
Board),
it would then be up to the *Board* to decide if it needed a formal
process for delegating such discussions and decisions to a smaller
group.
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would then
mostly apply to the channel moderators responsible for enforcing those
Rules for Active Participation, since CoC violations on the
communication channels themselves would *also* break the suggested
rules 1 & 2 above (by being both off-topic and disrespectful of
readers time and e
as those for email). If
there was finer granularity available on GitHub, the suspension would
presumably have only been from the core-workflow repo specifically,
but that's not currently an available option.
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On 26 March 2017 at 03:54, Antoine Pitrou <anto...@python.org> wrote:
>
> Le 25/03/2017 à 16:27, Nick Coghlan a écrit :
>>
>> However, from the point of view of making it easier for Windows devs to
>> debug *nix debug errors, it probably makes more sense to use clang
n use gcc to do the coverage run.
That setup would give:
- all 3 default compilers running in CI (MSVC in Appveyor, clang for the
main Travis tests, gcc for the coverage run)
- Windows devs getting the friendlier clang error messages when they're
trying to debug a cross-platform compilat
what I actually want is for the current notifications to be more
useful, mainly by including the GitHub PR URL, rather than the
internal-to-roundup numeric PR ID.
I'd just forgotten about them until Paul mentioned them, as they're not
particularly useful righ
ve that with a few robustness tweaks and a
conflict-avoiding approach to handling Misc/NEWS it would be up to the task
of generating the actual PRs as well. (The other side of the bot that
actually handled the interaction with GitHub could presumably be modeled on
the way the existing knights-who-say-
ot;, the base branch is
"/master"
- otherwise it is "/X.Y" (also based on sys.version_info)
Note that this works fine for "make patchcheck" (since it uses the just
built Python to run Tools/scripts/patchcheck.py), but anyone running the
tool directly rather than through the makef
On 10 March 2017 at 04:32, Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 at 04:07 Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9 March 2017 at 19:30, Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do we
ws is unexpectedly leaving the parent directory of the given directory
or archive on sys.path when running directories and zip archives on other
platforms).
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/github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/.mention-bot (as Guido has)
- if you want to find your own reviewers for your PRs, add yourself to the
PR blacklist in the same file (as Benjamin has)
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Thanks Brett and everyone else for working on the
> migration.
Indeed, thank you!
Getting from "Wouldn't it be nice if we had a more convenient
workflow?" to actually having one is a major undertaking for a project
of CPython's size and age, and y'all have managed to come together and
actu
oks like most folks still aren't too keen on filling that out at
this point :)
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ted part-time contract role for X months to
facilitate issue triage, patch reviews, and mentoring of potential new
core developers"
The latter motivation is about supporting the community and
facilitating its growth, which is entirely in line with the
Foundation's public interest mission.
Cheers,
Nic
ould
work.
That would be pretty similar to the way things worked when I
recommended Yury for commit privileges - at the start, the only thing
that changed was that the final step in the review process changed
from "wait until I find time to commit the change" to "looks good to
m
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Nick.
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On 22 Jan 2017 11:26 pm, "Paul Moore" wrote:
One question (and apologies if this has been discussed on another list
somewhere) - my biggest bottleneck is the sheer number of python-bugs
emails, and the difficulty of identifying ones I can contribute. Will
we be moving to
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