On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm a bit curious, but do people think Anatoly is now behaving more
> constructively than before? He does seem to post *less*, otherwise...
>
> After all, he's just sent another rant about the "community process" in
> which the
Hi,
I worked with many and various contributors on the Python projects
last 3 years. All contributors made a lot of effort to understand the
process (which is complex and not well documented), try to find
information by themself (ask find the right place to ask questions
like "how can I find infor
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm a bit curious, but do people think Anatoly is now behaving more
> constructively than before? He does seem to post *less*, otherwise...
>
> After all, he's just sent another rant about the "community process" in
> which the
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
> I'm not sure if it's because I'm reading the lists more, or if he's
> actually posting more, but I definitely seem to see him more frequently.
>
No, it's definitely picked up. He went dormant for a while and now he is
back.
> And almost n
I'm not sure if it's because I'm reading the lists more, or if he's
actually posting more, but I definitely seem to see him more frequently.
And almost none of it is positive contribution, it's almost entirely people
wasting time trying to humor him. I'm honestly not sure I've ever seen a
discussio
Hello,
I'm a bit curious, but do people think Anatoly is now behaving more
constructively than before? He does seem to post *less*, otherwise...
After all, he's just sent another rant about the "community process" in
which the word CLA seems to appear multiple times:
https://mail.python.org/pipe
On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
>>
>> Precisely. None of us are lawyers; the CLA was made by lawyers to be
>> compatible with the Python license "stack" which has its own set of issues.
>>
>> That all said; again
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
>
> Precisely. None of us are lawyers; the CLA was made by lawyers to be
> compatible with the Python license "stack" which has its own set of issues.
>
> That all said; again, the likelihood of short term alteration of the CLA is
> a non st
On Jan 01, 2013, at 09:50 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>Yes, I think lost contributor agreements have already happened.
In fact, my original one was lost. I submitted a new one a few Pycons back.
-Barry
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Le mardi 01 janvier 2013 à 23:39 +0100, Charles-François Natali a
écrit :
> Am I the only one feeling uncomfortable about having such a discussion
> take place on a public mailing list?
> I mean, we're debating whether to ban him from the tracker/mailing
> lists, but to me, this whole thread is muc
On 1 Jan 2013, at 22:39, Charles-François Natali wrote:
> Am I the only one feeling uncomfortable about having such a discussion
> take place on a public mailing list?
> I mean, we're debating whether to ban him from the tracker/mailing
> lists, but to me, this whole thread is much more harmful
Am I the only one feeling uncomfortable about having such a discussion
take place on a public mailing list?
I mean, we're debating whether to ban him from the tracker/mailing
lists, but to me, this whole thread is much more harmful than any
other action we could take.
Imagine what will happen when
One note on the CLA issue - Allison Randall spent some time discussing the
CLA in person with Anatoly at the PyCon US 2011 sprints, so he may have
signed it then.
As I understand it, the CLA itself gives the PSF the rights it needs to
redistribute under a different licence, while the accompanying
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
>
> I still don't understand the CA issue: either he sent one some months back,
> and it got lost: then he can re-submit it.
Apparently he did and it got lost, and I hope he will resubmit it again now.
> Or he thinks there is something
> wron
On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
On 01/01/2013 05:54 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
On 01/01/2013 11:13 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
On 01/01/2013 05:54 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
>>> On 01/01/2013 05:54 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>>>
I say Ezio lets him know that this is the plan since he t
Hello,
Le mardi 01 janvier 2013 à 15:55 -0600, Brian Curtin a écrit :
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> >> On 01/01/2013 05:54 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> >>
> >>> I say Ezio lets him know that this is
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
>> On 01/01/2013 05:54 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>>
>>> I say Ezio lets him know that this is the plan since he talked to him
>>> recently and is in the no-ban-yet camp.
>>>
>>
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> On 01/01/2013 05:54 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>
>> I say Ezio lets him know that this is the plan since he talked to him
>> recently and is in the no-ban-yet camp.
>>
>>
>> Yesterday I talked to him, informed him about the probation
On 01/01/2013 05:54 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> I say Ezio lets him know that this is the plan since he talked to him
> recently and is in the no-ban-yet camp.
>
>
> Yesterday I talked to him, informed him about the probation and showed him
> this
> message. I hope this is official enoug
Hi Ezio,
Le mardi 01 janvier 2013 à 18:54 +0200, Ezio Melotti a écrit :
>
> We also discussed about the contributor agreement and IIUC:
>
> 1) he signed it already 1.5 years ago but apparently it got lost
> (that wouldn't be too surprising if it really happened);
Yes, I think lost contributor
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
> [...]
> I sent it to a lawyer. Note the CLA was designed by PSF legal counsel, to
> whom I have sent this thread.
>
Thanks for doing that!
> If he signed it 1.5 years ago, the CLA has not changed. Ergo, I fail to see
> what the issue is today
On Jan 1, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> We also discussed about the contributor agreement and IIUC:
>>> 1) he signed it already 1.5 years
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
> On Jan 1, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> [...]
>
> We also discussed about the contributor agreement and IIUC:
> 1) he signed it already 1.5 years ago but apparently it got lost (that
> wouldn't be too surprising if
On Jan 1, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
>> [...]
>> In order to deal with this, here is my proposal that should placate those of
>> us calling for a ban now and those that feel like there has not been enough
>> of a war
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
> [...]
> In order to deal with this, here is my proposal that should placate those
> of us calling for a ban now and those that feel like there has not been
> enough of a warning ((I can't communicate with him because I want him
> banned
2012/12/30 Meador Inge :
>* WIlling to complain, but not help fix anything
>* Is this person draining attention and focus?
>* Is this person paralyzing the project?
I don't understand how Anatoly plans to help Python with such project:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2012
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> Am 26.12.12 14:28, schrieb R. David Murray:
>
>> I wonder if a public discussion aimed at developing such a policy
>> would clue Anatoly in (probably not). I wonder what other communities
>> have done.
>
>
> Wrt. anatoly techtonik? I do
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:50 AM, "Martin v. Löwis"
> wrote:
>>
>> Am 29.12.12 01:21, schrieb Brett Cannon:
>>
>> > It doesn't matter to me who writes the email. I was not thinking so
>> > formally, bit it wouldn't hurt.
>>
>> So has a
Hi,
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:50 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> Am 29.12.12 01:21, schrieb Brett Cannon:
>
> > It doesn't matter to me who writes the email. I was not thinking so
> > formally, bit it wouldn't hurt.
>
> So has any action been taken?
I haven't talked with him again yet. If I don
Am 29.12.12 01:21, schrieb Brett Cannon:
> It doesn't matter to me who writes the email. I was not thinking so
> formally, bit it wouldn't hurt.
So has any action been taken? If not, I'll communicate it to him. I'm
personally worried most about the tracker, so I'd propose the policy
- he must not
Am 26.12.12 15:09, schrieb Ezio Melotti:
I don't think anyone should be banned from the tracker or from the MLs
unless their actions are intentionally destructive (e.g. flooders/spammers).
> This is not the case for anatoly, so in my opinion we should not take
> this kind of action against him.
Am 26.12.12 14:28, schrieb R. David Murray:
I wonder if a public discussion aimed at developing such a policy
would clue Anatoly in (probably not). I wonder what other communities
have done.
Wrt. anatoly techtonik? I don't know (beyond episodal knowledge with
Rietveld and Roundup)
In general
On Dec 28, 2012 4:38 PM, "Chris Jerdonek" wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Chris Jerdonek <
chris.jerdo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:28 AM, R. David Murray
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
Le vendredi 28 décembre 2012 à 22:15 +, John Benediktsson a écrit :
> Be sure of who you are acting against, the person more than the
> emails. There is strong incidence of mental illness in the tech
> community and there are also persons with significantly different
> email personalities than
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:15 PM, John Benediktsson wrote:
> I would caution against using hypothetical "new people" (that maybe possibly
> could be offended in some way that might create harm either to that person or
> the community) as a reason for taking this action. Does anyone know if this
I would caution against using hypothetical "new people" (that maybe possibly
could be offended in some way that might create harm either to that person or
the community) as a reason for taking this action. Does anyone know if this
has actually occurred? And in any significant numbers?
I see a
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Chris Jerdonek
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:28 AM, R. David Murray
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
>> >> > I'm seriously considering writing all this as a P
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Chris Jerdonek wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:28 AM, R. David Murray
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> >> > I'm seriously considering writing all this as a PEP (most likely
> >> > without any personal details). I hope this won't b
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On 26/12/12 17:38, Brian Curtin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ezio Melotti
> wrote:
>> And a side effect of being welcoming is that you get every kind
>> of people. Different people have different behaviors and skills.
>> I don't think hi
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:37 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:20:06 +0200, Ezio Melotti
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> > > I don't want to spell out names but I've had more than one discussion
> at
> > > conferences this year with people _a
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:28 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
>>
>> On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
>> > I'm seriously considering writing all this as a PEP (most likely
>> > without any personal details). I hope this won't be useful in the
>> > future but it might help having this gathered a
Wiadomość napisana przez Ezio Melotti w dniu 26 gru
2012, o godz. 17:56:
> At the end he thanked me for bringing this up with him, and apparently he is
> willing to improve.
>
Full disclosure: I'm not buying it.
But I'd *love* to be proven wrong and am willing to give him time to show that
Wiadomość napisana przez "R. David Murray" w dniu 26
gru 2012, o godz. 18:37:
> Because, to put it in new age-y terms, his bad vibrations are poisoning
> the environment.
Thank you. Your entire response expresses my thoughts exactly.
--
Best regards,
Łukasz Langa
Senior Systems Architecture
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:56:54 +0200, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your time if you think you will be the one to break
> > through to him after several people have already talked to him.
> > Apparently he even got on Skype with Gui
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:20:06 +0200, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Åukasz Langa wrote:
> > I don't want to spell out names but I've had more than one discussion at
> > conferences this year with people _afraid_ to get involved with core
> > development on the base of havi
Hello,
I agree with Brian and Nick. While I don't bother much with Anatoly
anymore (I ignore at least 95% of his postings), I think it is not nice
to let newcomers deal with the cognitive overhead of reading and
appreciating his ramblings.
That said he doesn't need to be banned from *all* of pyt
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
> You're wasting your time if you think you will be the one to break
> through to him after several people have already talked to him.
> Apparently he even got on Skype with Guido about this. People would
> *pay* to have that chance. Anatoly go
People have the entire internet to abuse us (and they do). That's why I
spend as much time as I do explaining *why* various things in Python are
the way they are.
However, we shouldn't have to put up with disrespectful bullshit on our own
communication channels. Those are for us to collaborate on
No, I never got on Skype with Anatoly. I did write a very frank email and
got the usual response. I don't think I am up to doing anything more about
him. He doesn't bother me that much, I ignore most of his threads. He is a
reviewer and committer on Rietveld and behaves better there.
--Guido
On W
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> And a side effect of being welcoming is that you get every kind of people.
> Different people have different behaviors and skills. I don't think his
> lack of social skills is worse than e.g. the lack of English skills of some
> of the contr
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> Dnia 26 gru 2012 o godz. 15:09 Ezio Melotti
> napisał(a):
>
> > The community should ignore the tone of the messages or even the
> messages themselves and most importantly avoid replies that convey the same
> negative feelings. People shoul
At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
> knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
>
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
>
> So in some sense what we write here is already being said beyond this
> list (though not actively). For example, the t
Dnia 26 gru 2012 o godz. 15:09 Ezio Melotti napisał(a):
> The community should ignore the tone of the messages or even the messages
> themselves and most importantly avoid replies that convey the same negative
> feelings. People should be able to recognize when a discussion is not
> construct
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:28 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> As an aside, it has occurred to me that the fundamental problem here is
> that we do not feel that Anatoly respects *us*. So it is no wonder that
> we are offended and do not respect him.
Agreed. Being a welcoming community means *defaul
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> That said, ISTM that the main problem is that the way he communicates is not
> really effective and that results in an "energy drain" for other people.
> This can be addressed on both the sides.
> The community should ignore the tone of the me
Hi,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of
> Anatoly's
> contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
> perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly (!) from all
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:28 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> Anatoly has been shaming us publicly for years. We would be much more
> polite and rational in any more-public statement made (I trust). We
> would still draw fire. That may or may not make us stronger in the
> long run...for it to do so
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:36:08 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
> This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
>
> On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Åukasz Langa wrote:
> > 1. Communicate what happened clearly and openly to our community.
>
> I am not sure how broadly you mean 'our community', but please no.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> We don't want to be mean to somebody who genuinely appears to be
> trying to help, but eventually we have to look at his net impact and
> say "keeping our productive volunteers happy is more important than
> trying to include someone who has d
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of
> Anatoly's
> contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
> perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly (!) from all (!)
>
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
>
>
> On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
>>
>> Dnia 25 gru 2012 o godz. 13:37 Nick Coghlan
>> napisał(a):
>>
>>> I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the
>>> feeling
FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of Anatoly's
contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly (!) from all (!)
python.org resources is going too far IMO. Individual policy vio
This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
Dnia 25 gru 2012 o godz. 13:37 Nick Coghlan
napisał(a):
I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the
feelings of people who get frustrated trying to deal with his
obtuseness (whether th
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> Dnia 25 gru 2012 o godz. 13:37 Nick Coghlan napisał(a):
>
>> I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the feelings
>> of people who get frustrated trying to deal with his obtuseness
>> (whether that arises deliberately or thro
On 12/25/2012 8:01 AM, Christian Heimes wrote:
Am 25.12.2012 13:37, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the feelings
of people who get frustrated trying to deal with his obtuseness
(whether that arises deliberately or through genuine cluelessness)
I
Dnia 25 gru 2012 o godz. 13:37 Nick Coghlan napisał(a):
> I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the feelings
> of people who get frustrated trying to deal with his obtuseness
> (whether that arises deliberately or through genuine cluelessness)
> than I care about his feelings.
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
>
>> > Did anything come of this? There are now a few more threads on
>> > python-ideas that are almost pure Anatoly-instigated noise :P
>>
>> Back in November, I had asked if anyone had ever given him an
>> official/explicit warning that he wo
> > Did anything come of this? There are now a few more threads on
> > python-ideas that are almost pure Anatoly-instigated noise :P
>
> Back in November, I had asked if anyone had ever given him an
> official/explicit warning that he would be kicked out if he continued
> certain behavior, and it d
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Andrew Svetlov
> wrote:
>> Let's wait a bit.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>> From his response to me he seems to be unaware that there is a problem...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, No
Le mardi 25 décembre 2012, Christian Heimes a écrit :
> His attitude hasn't improved, too. For example in bug
> http://bugs.python.org/issue16689 he used an offensive title and
> re-opened the ticket *twice* although it was closed by two different and
> highly respectable core devs.
>
Oh, I miss
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Andrew Svetlov
> wrote:
>> Let's wait a bit.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>> From his response to me he seems to be unaware that there is a problem...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, No
Am 25.12.2012 13:37, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
> I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the feelings
> of people who get frustrated trying to deal with his obtuseness
> (whether that arises deliberately or through genuine cluelessness)
> than I care about his feelings. He has the enti
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
> Let's wait a bit.
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> From his response to me he seems to be unaware that there is a problem...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Andrew Svetlov
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've sent
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:21 AM, John Benediktsson wrote:
> Out of curiousity, I googled Anatoly and python-ideas and this thread[1]
> seems a useful example. His suggestions seem intended to help, he provided
> some code examples, and made only a handful of posts in support of his idea
> (receiv
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM, John Benediktsson wrote:
>> IMO he has a negative effect on the Python community. When he asks a
>> question, he doesn't try to understand how Python is designed and let people
>> think that the Python design just sucks (which is wrong, Python design is
>> great! Py
>
> IMO he has a negative effect on the Python community. When he asks a
> question, he doesn't try to understand how Python is designed and let
> people think that the Python design just sucks (which is wrong, Python
> design is great! Python is the best language!).
>
Out of curiousity, I googled
> How do you perceive his contributions in general?
He is really annoying. He is flooding python-ideas and python-dev lists
with emails without trying to understand answers. He didn't understand that
the Python community is not working for him.
IMO he has a negative effect on the Python community
Zitat von "M.-A. Lemburg" :
Cory's point is a good one and, at least in my experience, often works
wonders.
Call him on the phone or invite him to a conference. He's based
in Minsk, Belarus, AFAIK.
Guido tried to arrange a peace treaty between him and me at some pycon,
and I really tried for
>From his response to me he seems to be unaware that there is a problem...
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
> I've sent email to Anatoly in Russian describing current situation.
> CC'ed Eli Bendersky and Łukasz Langa as humans who understand Russian
> well enough to be witn
Let's wait a bit.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> From his response to me he seems to be unaware that there is a problem...
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Andrew Svetlov
> wrote:
>>
>> I've sent email to Anatoly in Russian describing current situation.
>> CC'ed
I've sent email to Anatoly in Russian describing current situation.
CC'ed Eli Bendersky and Łukasz Langa as humans who understand Russian
well enough to be witness for my words.
I've call Anatoly to stop disruptive activities and concentrate on
productive ones.
I hope I has been benevolent enough
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > imagine it must be pretty lonely being the only geek with deep Python
> > knowledge and interest in Minsk.
>
> I don't want to distract from your point, but I'm not sure the
> und
I'm with Dirkjan. Personally I know several pythonistas living in Minsk.
Not so many Python Developers as Kiev has, but Minsk is not black
hole, trust me.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> imagine it must be pretty
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> If losing him was the only consequence this would be pretty much a
> no-brainer. However, it is likely the consequences of a general ban
> would be more widespread than that (negative publicity, etc).
Not sure I agree with that. As a parti
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> imagine it must be pretty lonely being the only geek with deep Python
> knowledge and interest in Minsk.
I don't want to distract from your point, but I'm not sure the
underlying assumption is warranted here. I happen to have met a few
pre
On Nov 07, 2012, at 03:05 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
>If nothing else, it seems like the time has come to get the ball
>rolling on this, so we at least have a plan for how to do this kind of
>thing?
I don't think the issue has really ever come to such a head before. Let's get
postmaster@ involve
> It's pretty clear that he's not a net value to Python development. But
> perhaps his attempts at contributing (no matter how clumsy) have value for
> him? I imagine it must be pretty lonely being the only geek with deep
> Python knowledge and interest in Minsk. I realize he's making it hard to
>
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>> >
>> > All in all, is anyone of the opinion that losing him as a community
>> > member
>> > is worse than keeping him around?
>>
>> No.
>
>
> It's pretty clear that he's
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > All in all, is anyone of the opinion that losing him as a community
> member
> > is worse than keeping him around?
>
> No.
>
It's pretty clear that he's not a net value to Python development. But
perhaps his attempts at contri
[...]
>
> All in all, is anyone of the opinion that losing him as a community member
> is worse than keeping him around?
No.
Regards
Antoine.
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On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Chris Jerdonek
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
>>> What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently
>>> towards Ruby, I think calling his behavior out is a good idea
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
>> What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently
>> towards Ruby, I think calling his behavior out is a good idea. Cory
>> Doctorow also thinks that "many trolls are perfectl
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
>> All in all, is anyone of the opinion that losing him as a community
>> member is worse than keeping him around?
>
> If losing him was the only consequence this would be pretty much a
> no-brain
I sent Anatoly a note and suggested that we talk on Skype. We'll see what
happens.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
> > What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently
> > towards Ruby, I think calling his b
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
> What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently
> towards Ruby, I think calling his behavior out is a good idea. Cory
> Doctorow also thinks that "many trolls are perfectly nice in real life
> -- sometimes, just calling them on the
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
>> If that fails, banning him would show that we care about the quality of
>> communication and technical prowess is no excuse for abusive behavior.
>
> The problem is how do we do that? Do the owners of various systems take it
> upon themselves
On 07.11.2012 14:26, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently towards
> Ruby, I think calling his behavior out is a good idea. Cory Doctorow also
> thinks that "many trolls are perfectly nice in real life -- sometimes, just
> calling them on the
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> Wiadomość napisana przez Martin v. Löwis w dniu 7
> lis 2012, o godz. 13:06:
>
> Am 07.11.12 09:45, schrieb Łukasz Langa:
>
> I'd like to raise a concern that Anatoly's actions are disruptive and
> largely unhelpful. His passive-agressive wri
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