and to review larger
ones, at least in part because *you* will have learned more about what is
needed in terms of code style, documentation, test coverage, etc., and
*they* will have learned to trust your judgement.
I'm sorry it isn't easier,
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es a good job with branch coverage.
I haven't seen anything in this discussion which indicates that binding
expressions will change that at all.
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itb.text()') which are used by non-CGI third-party libraries to render
tracebacks for debugging purposes. Enhancing those methods seems pretty
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r an explicit bare-except equivalent.
> You would have to write:
>
> val = name.strip()[4:].upper() except Exception as -1
Wouldn't that really need to be this instead, for a true 'except:' equivalence:
val = name.strip()[4:].upper() except BaseException as -1
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should deprecate that syntax in 3.7,
> remove in 3.8. Let's start with that? :)
You guys are no fun: such a change would remove at least one evil
"bwah-ha-ha" cackle from David Beazley's next PyCon talk. :)
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warnings enabled), but not when running the app.
Seems like a reasonable choice to me.
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the "Change
> language: [...]" list at:
>
> http://php.net/echo
>
> I'm not asking you to take any technical decision here, I'm just
> asking for an official general "support" of translated documentation.
+1 for the idea.
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help maintain some *old* C extensions (fifteen+ years and counting), and
am as likely to be affected as anyone.
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ddling, too. ;)
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ibrary authors have to straddle Python versions: consumers of
those libraries only get to pick and choose when their code is at the
"leaf" of the dependency tree (the application).
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rg/devguide which is on a cronjob).
What is the RTD project name?
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>> On 07/14/2016 11:47 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
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the owner/matintainer, anyway).
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kling semantics,
sublcassability, etc.) might be important, too.
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by responding substantively to the OP's query.
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), which is why I hadn't written a patch for it.
+1. That certainly tripped the switch for me. I wish more of the
asyncio stuff would illuminate itself so smoothly. ;)
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datetimes. Typically, the application used a "date interval" object (or a
recurrence object) which generated date offsets without assuming that a
"day" was 86400 seconds.
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se cases, having the logged datetimes be incomparable to user-facing
ones would make them less useful.
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current does *not* help achieve her goal: it is an
attractive nuisance she will have to learn to avoid.
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eason: if "1 day" is the same for your usecase as "24 hours", then just
do the math yourself.
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t to adopt the PEP, but it I think it
> would be a good reason to recommend against using such obscure syntax,
> unless there's a good reason
Heh, 2003 called, and they want their "list incomprehension" debate back. ;)
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What don't you simply monkeypatch sys.modules, e.g.:
>
> import myhttplib
>
> sys.modules['http'] = myhttplib
>
> or doesn't it work as desired?
Doesn't that leave any prior imports broken (using the original module)?
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oject.
(Note that "having an MSDN subscription" is not the same as "knowing how
to configure which compiler such that it can bulid extensions against an
installed Python binary").
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on Windows,
who don't have the toolchain build their own C extensions.
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ensions for numerical work?
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a "normal" linux system.
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> Fair enough. I don't quite understand, though -- why is the "official
> policy" to kill something that's "essential" on *nix?
ISTM that the policy is based on a fantasy that "it looks like text to me
in my use cases, so therefore it must be text for everyo
uot;practicality beats purity".
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did you create the zip file?
>
>
> zip ../python35.zip -r .
>
>
>> Any chance that you may have compressed the pyc files?
I think you want 'zip -0' to avoid the compression.
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z', bam='qux')
bar: baz
kw: {'bam': 'qux'}
>>> mykw = {'bar': 'baz', 'bam': 'qux'}
>>> foo(**mykw)
bar: baz
kw: {'bam': 'qux'}
>>> mykw
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Amen!
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> I'm mostly arguing the FLOSS project should feel free to ignore
> high-maintenance-cost commercial concerns until those concerns bring
> either blook (funded developer time) or treasure (poo
ame time) to the table to pay for them.
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paid-for needs.
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PyPI module.
Seems perfect for the Cheesehop to me.
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On 03/18/2014 07:18 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Nevertheless, an __eq__ with side-effects is legal Python and may in
> fact be useful.
E.g., for an LRU usecase.
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On 03/12/2014 04:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> You can use hasattr() in place of AttributeError
I use:
getattr(subject, attrname, default)?
*all the time*.
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n altogether.
> I'm neither averse to, nor in favour of, a Python 4 compatibility
> break in due course
I am. I don't think the community can stand another such break.
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"Guido hates them" isn't an argument: its a ukase. Version numbers are
tuples, not decimal fractions.
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pec.
+1 for A: it is how you would actually call the object on which 'help()'
is being called. The fact that self will be passed silently is
irrelevant to the caller.
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of the arguments accepted by the existing signature.
> (This is being discussed right now in issue #19145.)
I can't imagine justifying such an API design in the first place, but
sometimes things "jest grew", rather than being designed. I'm in favor
of # 1, in any case. If real backward compatibility is not feasible
for some reason, then I
#3, especially in a new "major" release (w/ sufficient
documentation of the change).
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ss the 'int' or 'default' arguments" goes
back to at least the 'whrandom.py' module in 1.5.2. ;)
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backward-compatibility guarantees in Python. Or code which
explicitly works around the breakage could fail (urlparse changes between
2.7.3 and 2.7.4, anyone?d(
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On 09/05/2013 04:33 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
> On 9/5/2013 1:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>> +1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all
>> *.python.org servers.
>
> Is there a Python implementation of Persona I
Mozilla Identity" blog:
- - https://webmaker.org/
- - http://bornthiswayfoundation.org/
- - http://firebase.com/
- - https://orionhub.org/
- - http://ting.com/
- - http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/
- - http://discourse.org/
- - https://dailycred.com/
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passwords for every site you visit.
Whether a given site chooses to authroize an
authenticated-but-otherwise-unknown user to do anything meaningful is
logically distinct.
+1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all *.python.org
servers.
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are ANSI C. That defect rate would imply 4 open defects in Python itself.
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make much more sense for a parser API, as well has having the benefit of
long usage.
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> Windows 32. Also this release supports ARM machines running Linux
> 32bit - anything with ``ARMv6`` (like the Raspberry Pi) or ``ARMv7``
> (like Beagleboard, Chromebook, Cubieboard, etc.) that supports
> ``VFPv3`` should work.
Wow -- congratulations!
an anything else PEP8
proscribes.
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inheritance" -- "inherence" is a valid term[1], but
would a good deal stranger notion to apply to a file descriptor. ;)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherence
Platonic'ly,
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screw anybody already using the existing distributions pretty
badly.
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On 06/15/2013 04:11 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 6/15/2013 8:53 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>
>> In fifteen years of Python programming, I have literally *never*
>> wanted to iterate over 'str' (or now 'bytes').
>
e up.
You could if '__iter__' raised an error ('NotIterable', maybe) which
defeated the '__getitem__'/'__len__'-based fallback.
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a wart and a serious bug magnet.
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> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:17:49 -0400, Tres Seaver
> wrote:
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>> On 05/28/2013 11:41 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
>>>
/pip-1.3.1-pyX.Y.egg/EGG-INFO/entry_points.txt
[console_scripts]
pip = pip:main
pip-X.Y = pip:main
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> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Tres Seaver
> wrote:
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>> On 05/19/2013 10:48 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>> Anyw
uot;renoormalizing" the output:
https://github.com/zopefoundation/zope.testing/blob/master/src/zope/testing/renormalizing.txt
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On 05/19/2013 10:48 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> Anyway, if you're doing arithmetic on enums you're doing it wrong.
Hmm, bitwise operations, even?
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On 05/17/2013 12:26 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On May 16, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>
>> I can confirm at least that I have seen this problem within the last
>> two weeks on Ubuntu boxes unrelated to the thw Debian
the last two
weeks on Ubuntu boxes unrelated to the thw Debian / Ubuntu build
infrastruction.
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hen using Python 3
> for encoding/decoding bytestrings. There's no way around it.
WHat does that snark have to do with this discussion? base64 has no more
to do with character set encodings than it does the moon. It would be a
"transform" (bytes -> bytes), not an "en
transmission via e-mail.
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wouldn't break, even on Python2: but is was *not* a trivial effort.
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>> true for e.g. list, tuple, dict, bytes, str, and should also be true
>> of int.
Given that requirement, we still don't have to mandate that __int__
return an actual instance of the int type: the coerc
ing 'type(x) is int'
rather than 'isinstance(x, int)' is speed.
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(not just the
process parsing it) by sucking all available RAM. We are talking hard
lockup, reboot-to-fix-it sorts of DOC here.
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>
> I want to be fairly conservative with 2.6.9.
I believe that the same rationale should apply as that for adding hash
randomization in 2.6.8: this is at least as bad a vulnerability, with
many more vectors of attack.
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> which means the security features should be mostly opt-in for 2.7 and
> 3.3.
Two words: "hash randomization". If it applies to one, it applies to
the other.
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even 3.5.
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changeable, which is the only thing that
makes distribute viable, in the ecosystem sense.
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Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com
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> Whoops, sorry. I thought I had remembered some recent discussion of
> an upcoming 2.7 micro. Off-by-one error, or just brain freeze? :-)
The upcoming micro you recall is 2.7.4. The 2.7.3 train left the station
already. ;)
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volved?
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On 01/10/2013 01:30 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:47:23 -0500 Tres Seaver
> wrote:
>> Why would we wander away from POSIX semantics here? There are good
>> reasons not to close open descriptors (the &#x
-exec by default is probably a
> reasonable decision.
Why would we wander away from POSIX semantics here? There are good
reasons not to close open descriptors (the 'pipe()' syscall, for
instance), and there is no POSIXy way to ask for them *not* to be closed.
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