council in a month or so.
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# More resources
* [Changelog](https://docs.python.org/3.10/whatsnew/changelog.html#changelog
)
* [Online Documentation](https://docs.python.org/3.10/)
* [PEP 619](https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0619
been postponed to Python 3.11 due to
some compatibility concerns. You can read the Steering Council
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* [Changelog](https
of the dev guide confuses you and which
section you had a hard time to understand. This would help us greatly to
identify problems with the dev guide and help other people that want to
contribute.
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Small note: For the release highlights, I believe PEP 681 should be under the
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SHA256 (Python-3.11.0b5.tar.xz) =
3810bd22f7dc34a99c2a2eb4b85264a4df4f05ef59c4e0ccc2ea82ee9c491698
SHA256 (Python-3.11.0b5.tgz) =
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The CACHE opcode is a new 3.11+ opcode which is kind of a NOP but is used by
some other opcodes to store cache information for specialization. A map of
-> is in `dis._inline_cache_entries`
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> So to give my final takeaway: It might be possible for Discourse to
> replace Python-dev, even for those who wish to get their messages by email.
> But the user experience of signing up is vastly worse, and will need much
> more t
hink I just failed to save my choices in the
settings screen, and I got it right the second time I tried. The firehose
was tamed to a reasonable rate of flow.
I do still think that experience is much worse than signing up for just the
python-dev mailing list. While excluding the Users (now Pytho
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What about the known CVEs for Python 3.10?? I have been running a website
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ll in" with discuss.python.org/Discourse I think GH
>> discussions should be seriously considered.
>>
>
> If you can get people excited enough to say they are willing to give it a
> try, and the folks saying they are going to stop participating if/when we
> move to Discourse
to Discourse would actually stay if we moved to Discussions, then we
can definitely talk about it.
-Brett
>
> Samuel
>
> --
>
> Samuel Colvin
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 at 12:19, Petr Viktorin wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Currently development discussions are split b
.
Before going "all in" with discuss.python.org/Discourse I think GH
discussions should be seriously considered.
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> Currently development discussions are split between multiple
> communicatio
your list of watched categories under the notification settings:
I think you may have missed actually inserting the settings.
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ordant".
I would refine "live chat" to "full-duplex multicast media"
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gt; https://devguide.python.org/developer-workflow/communication-channels/?highlight=discourse#enabling-mailing-list-mode
>>
> [...]
>
> So last night I tried activating mailing list mode, and I'm not remotely
> satisfied with the experience so far. Where mailing lists are concerned,
> I'
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>So last night I tried activating mailing list mode, and I'm not
>remotely
>satisfied with the experience so far. Where mailing lists are concerned,
>I'm *only *subscribed to python-dev. Not python-users, not -ideas, not
>-packaging (
in the “mailing list mode”
>>
>> Is this note enough?
>>
>> https://devguide.python.org/developer-workflow/communication-channels/?highlight=discourse#enabling-mailing-list-mode
>>
> [...]
>
> So last night I tried activating mailing list mode, and I'm not remotely
>
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 15:26 Baptiste Carvello <
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> Le 21/07/2022 à 07:59, Stefan Behnel a écrit :
> >
> > I'm actually reading python-dev, c.l.py etc. through Gmane, and have
> > done that ever since I joined. Simply because it's
ow/communication-channels/?highlight=discourse#enabling-mailing-list-mode
>
[...]
So last night I tried activating mailing list mode, and I'm not remotely
satisfied with the experience so far. Where mailing lists are concerned,
I'm *only *subscribed to python-dev. Not python-users, not -ideas,
Le 21/07/2022 à 07:59, Stefan Behnel a écrit :
>
> I'm actually reading python-dev, c.l.py etc. through Gmane, and have
> done that ever since I joined. Simply because it's a mailing list of
> which I don't need a local (content) copy, and wouldn't want one. Gmane
> seems to
ed posters, one of which would be the Discourse mail feed.
Hi,
If GMANE would be allowed to subscribe, that would be a perfect fit!
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> Discord isn't overlapping with Discourse. Think of Discord as replacing IRC
> while also providing audio chat (and other things). For instance, people who
> were working together to squash release blockers for b4 were chatting live on
> Discord.
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(e.g. I'm utterly unmotivated by
people trying to award badges for unlocking accomplishments, etc., but I
know it's considered to work for many people) if comes off seeming
silly, but I can just ignore that part.
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It seems like they've tried to
> make it a game, giving me the "opportunity" to buy boosts (or
> whatever). What's up with that?
Everything's gotta be funded somehow.
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whatever). What's up with that? Do we really need yet another place
full of overlapping discussion channels?
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blem finding before since I haven’t been
> >> subscribed for that long.
>
> I'm actually reading python-dev, c.l.py etc. through Gmane, and have done
> that ever since I joined. Simply because it's a mailing list of which I
> don't need a local (content) copy, and wouldn't wan
se
case?
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wrote:
> I have a perhaps stupid question. Is Discord the same as
> discuss.python.org, just by another name? I find the similarity in
> names a bit confusing.
>
> Skip
> ______
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Discord is something completely something else.
Indeed the similarity is confusing.
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similar in purpose.
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I have a perhaps stupid question. Is Discord the same as
discuss.python.org, just by another name? I find the similarity in
names a bit confusing.
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> I'm actually reading python-dev, c.l.py etc. through Gmane, and have done
> that ever since I joined. Simply because it's a mailing list of which I
> don't need a local (content) copy, and wouldn't want one. Gmane seems to
> hav
is that Discourse's email works, but with a seemingly
never-ending parade of annoyances and frustrations.
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which require me to go to them (or, equally bad, send some kind of
summary of new things - I'm looking at you, Google Groups). That
Discourse does quite a good job of letting people participate via the
forum or email is very welcome. But it has to be done correctly.
Cheers,
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h.vetin...@gmx.com schrieb am 18.07.22 um 18:04:
One of the comments in the retro was:
Searching the archives is much easier and have found me many old threads that I
probably would have problem finding before since I haven’t been subscribed for
that long.
I'm actually reading python-dev
case getting any sanity in Discourse email
could be very expensive for Discourse.
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anyone's mind. I don't know if I'll move over to Discourse or not.
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- they can be fixed (I'll submit a bug report, someone told me how to do
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s in HyperKitty (maybe that's already a
consequence of "no subscribers"?) I don't know how hard that would
be.
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> On 18Jul2022 16:53, Joannah Nanjekye wrote:
>> My original stand on preferring email stands though due to stable
>> standards.
>
> Several of us use the email mode in Discourse. It works quite well. For
> me, both python-de
On 18Jul2022 16:53, Joannah Nanjekye wrote:
>I see I might have misunderstood, thinking a python-dev channel on discuss
>was not as active as the mailing list. Understood.
>
>My original stand on preferring email stands though due to stable
>standards.
Several of us use
Thank you Brett and totally agree.
Learning should not be clouded by any other agenda, we are very smart people
and should conduct ourselves as such, with respect.
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 2:17 PM Kevin T via Python-Dev <
python-dev@python.org> wrote:
> I have built this on systems at work, that are populated by CAD guys who
> have developed a good set of libraries to maintain in a linux
> distribution. Went without a hitch.
>
>
a
> separate discourse category that's then archived, but at least searchable.
> This would also lower the hurdle of new(er) contributors to investigate
> previous discussion on a given topic.
+1
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> The Steering Council would like to switch from python-dev to
> discuss.python.org.
This seems like a net win for the community so +1 from me. (For me
personally it amounts to disruption with little advantage, so I'd
probably
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.sh
>python-config
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/kevin/Sources/Python-3.10.5'
This looks to me like it is having problems with finding the ssl and causing
the failure. Is it looking for 32bit versions? How do I tell it that there
are no 32bit versions.
Thanks for your attention.
Kev
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an only read the first message of each
thread. Then I have to "Read full topic" through the nightmarish web
interface with its nag screens.
Is there a way to access all posts through the mail/RSS client,
preferably with a threaded view?
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>
> I don't think I *can* do much more than accept it and move on:
> *if python-dev was used by everyone*, rather than almost exclusively by
> people who prefer e-mail (and presumably use threading mail clients),
> we'd get mangled threading anyway from all the non-threaded cl
I see I might have misunderstood, thinking a python-dev channel on discuss
was not as active as the mailing list. Understood.
My original stand on preferring email stands though due to stable standards.
On Mon., Jul. 18, 2022, 4:41 p.m. Petr Viktorin, wrote:
> On 15. 07. 22 21:13, Joan
On 15. 07. 22 21:13, Joannah Nanjekye wrote:
I am -1 for leaving email due to the long history of standardization,
for a platform whose future I don't know about.
When you say core development is busier, does that mean the experiment
with python-dev failed? aka wasn't a success, if so why
keeps a logical flow, but Discourse has everything linear
which means that as I read it the conversation keeps jumping around,
making it hard to follow.
I accepted that it's linear.
I don't think I *can* do much more than accept it and move on: if
python-dev was used by everyone, rather than
feeds, I am
interested in tips there as well.
I don't use RSS feeds.
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Petr Viktorin schrieb am 15.07.22 um 13:18:
The discuss.python.org experiment has been going on for quite a while, and
while the platform is not without its issues, we consider it a success. The
Core Development category is busier than python-dev. According to staff,
discuss.python.org is much
@with type S
@with type T
class ClassA(Protocol): ... # OK
A thought: would it be possible to actually make it a with statement?
with Typevar() as T:
def func1(a: T) -> T
Of course there might have to be magic in Typevar, but it would be far
more palatable to me than giving unary @ two kinds of
n does one
need the wacky stuff in a release announcement?
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. If you prefer to use the RSS feeds, I am interested in tips there as well.
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I am -1 for leaving email due to the long history of standardization, for a
platform whose future I don't know about.
When you say core development is busier, does that mean the experiment with
python-dev failed? aka wasn't a success, if so why are we moving python-dev
too if it's not working
linear which means that as I read it the conversation keeps jumping around, making it hard to follow.
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split between multiple
> communication channels, for example:
> - python-dev and discuss.python.org for design discussions,
> - GitHub Issues and Pull Requests for specific changes,
> - IRC, Discord and private chats for real-time discussions,
> - Topic-specific channels like typin
e asyncio, exceptiongroups
>> or typed_ast and drafts of new guides and other documentation (e.g.
>> redistributor-guide).
>>
>> General-use tools and libraries (e.g. mypy or black) should also be
>> developed outside the python organization, unless core devs (as
>> represented by the SC) s
.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 4:26 AM Petr Viktorin wrote:
> Hello,
> Currently development discussions are split between multiple
> communication channels, for example:
> - python-dev and discuss.python.org for design discussions,
> - GitHub Issues and Pull Requests for specific changes,
&
ore Development category is busier than python-dev. According to staff,
> discuss.python.org is much easier to moderate.. If you're following
> python-dev but not discuss.python.org, you're missing out.
>
> The Steering Council would like to switch from python-dev to
> dis
t; > 4. It implements ISO 8601 (which exists for a reason):
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Calendar_dates
>
> Yes!!! "Standardization is my Valentine!" :-D
>
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Agreed on all 4 counts! :)
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On 15. 07. 22 17:34, Phil Thompson via Python-Dev wrote:
On 15/07/2022 16:09, Rob Boehne via Python-Dev wrote:
100% agree – dealing with 5 or more platforms for discussion groups is
a nightmare, and I tend not to follow any of them as closely for that
reason.
I agree. I don't mind having
On 15. 07. 22 16:24, Skip Montanaro wrote:
The discuss.python.org <http://discuss.python.org> experiment has
been going on for quite a while,
and while the platform is not without its issues, we consider it a
success. The Core Development category is busier than pyth
On 15/07/2022 16:09, Rob Boehne via Python-Dev wrote:
100% agree – dealing with 5 or more platforms for discussion groups is
a nightmare, and I tend not to follow any of them as closely for that
reason.
I agree. I don't mind having to use Discourse if I want to take part in
a discussion
.g. the WebAssembly group is: https://discuss.python.org/c/webassembly/28
And its corresponding RSS feed is:
https://discuss.python.org/c/webassembly/28.rss
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100% agree – dealing with 5 or more platforms for discussion groups is a
nightmare, and I tend not to follow any of them as closely for that reason.
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Date: Friday, July 15, 2022 at 9:26 AM
To: Petr Viktorin
Cc: python-dev@python.org
Subject: [SPAM] [Python-Dev] Re
>
> The discuss.python.org experiment has been going on for quite a while,
> and while the platform is not without its issues, we consider it a
> success. The Core Development category is busier than python-dev.
> According to staff, discuss.python.org is much easier to moderat
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xperimental features like asyncio, exceptiongroups
> or typed_ast and drafts of new guides and other documentation (e.g.
> redistributor-guide).
>
> General-use tools and libraries (e.g. mypy or black) should also be
> developed outside the python organization, unless core devs (
. typeshed, tzdata, or pythoncapi-compat).
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Hello,
Currently development discussions are split between multiple
communication channels, for example:
- python-dev and discuss.python.org for design discussions,
- GitHub Issues and Pull Requests for specific changes,
- IRC, Discord and private chats for real-time discussions,
- Topic
Alan G. Isaac writes:
> 4. It implements ISO 8601 (which exists for a reason):
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Calendar_dates
Yes!!! "Standardization is my Valentine!" :-D
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proposing [] over <>. I agree that
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largest to smallest).
2. It's easier to sort them.
3. It removes the confusion over whether it's DD/MM/ or MM/DD/.
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gt; braces in close proximity. Using angle brackets would make the distinction
> between typevars and function parameters clearer.
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I hope) is a simple
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the PEP look a bit messy with so many parentheses and square braces in close
proximity. Using angle brackets would make the distinction between typevars and
function parameters clearer.
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