Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 3/21/2012 2:46 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Ned Batchelder >>  wrote: >>> >>> You can use Ctrl-+ to increase the size of the text, and modern browsers >>> remember that for the next time you visit t

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread PJ Eby
On Mar 21, 2012 12:00 PM, "Guido van Rossum" wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2012 5:44 AM, "Ned Batchelder" wrote: > > The best thing to do is to set a max-width in ems, say 50em. This leaves the text at a reasonable width, but adapts naturally for people with larger fonts. > > Please, no, not even this "i

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 3/21/2012 3:06 PM, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: That doesn't mean the web designer shouldn't think at least twice before specifying a smaller font than the browser default. Yet 90% of designers (or more) insist on making text insanely small, com

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 3/21/2012 2:46 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: You can use Ctrl-+ to increase the size of the text, and modern browsers remember that for the next time you visit the site. That doesn't mean the web designer shouldn't think at least twice b

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 02:40:04PM -0400, Ned Batchelder wrote: > You can use Ctrl-+ to increase the size of the text, and modern > browsers remember that for the next time you visit the site. Browsers usually remember the setting for the entire site, not only documentation. Oleg. -- Ole

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Fred Drake
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > That doesn't mean the web designer shouldn't think at least twice > before specifying a smaller font than the browser default. Yet 90% of designers (or more) insist on making text insanely small, commonly specifying the size in pixles or

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > You can use Ctrl-+ to increase the size of the text, and modern browsers > remember that for the next time you visit the site. That doesn't mean the web designer shouldn't think at least twice before specifying a smaller font than the brow

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 3/21/2012 1:04 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: If I can get my five cents, I will tell about my impressions. I really liked the background of allocated blocks (such as notes and code snippets) has become less diverse (but still visible). The border around these blocks have become more accurate a

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/21/2012 7:09 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:39:41 -0400 Terry Reedy wrote: On 3/20/2012 6:38 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: The current green on the front page is too heavy. Green? hmm... you mean blue, right? :) Yeh, a muddy slightly greenish blue. I would prefer what I ca

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
21.03.12 18:00, Guido van Rossum написав(ла): (Can you see why I invented a whitespace-sensitive language? I have a whitespace-sensitive brain. :-) It should be added to favorite quotes. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.p

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
If I can get my five cents, I will tell about my impressions. I really liked the background of allocated blocks (such as notes and code snippets) has become less diverse (but still visible). The border around these blocks have become more accurate and more pleasant to emphasize blocks. It is ve

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > The challenge for the maintainer of the docs site is to choose a good design > that most people will see.  We're bound to disagree on what that design > should be, and I suggest that probably none of us are designer enough to > come up with

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:38:53PM +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, > especially as so many other projects use it. I decided to play around > with something "clean" this time, and this is the result: > > http://www.python.org/~gbra

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mar 21, 2012 5:44 AM, "Ned Batchelder" wrote: > The best thing to do is to set a max-width in ems, say 50em. This leaves the > text at a reasonable width, but adapts naturally for people with larger fonts. Please, no, not even this "improved" version of coddling. If you're formatting e.g. a n

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Yury Selivanov
On 2012-03-21, at 11:06 AM, Łukasz Rekucki wrote: > FYI, the current paragraph font size on docs.python.org is 16px, while > for http://www.python.org/~gbrandl/build/html/ it's 13px, so > increasing that should help readability :) You can use @media queries > to adjust it to screen resolution, whic

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
21.03.12 16:18, Ned Batchelder написав(ла): We could just as easily choose to make the site left-justified, and let the full-justification fans use custom stylesheets to get it. I find justified text convenient and pleasant for the eyes. Many people hate left-aligned text. I think that the bes

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Łukasz Rekucki
On 21 March 2012 13:38, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 3/21/2012 6:16 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:33:13AM +, Jonathan Hartley wrote: >>> >>> On 21/03/2012 08:25, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 07:00, Georg Brandl   wrote: > > OK, that

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 3/21/2012 9:44 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 21.03.12 03:58, Ned Batchelder написав(ла): Books, magazines, and newspapers look good with full justification, web pages do not. Can we switch to left-justified instead? You can add line p {text-align: left !important} to your browser custom sty

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
21.03.12 03:58, Ned Batchelder написав(ла): Books, magazines, and newspapers look good with full justification, web pages do not. Can we switch to left-justified instead? You can add line p {text-align: left !important} to your browser custom stylesheet. If you are using Firefox or Chrome (C

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
21.03.12 14:38, Ned Batchelder написав(ла): The best thing to do is to set a max-width in ems, say 50em. This leaves the text at a reasonable width, but adapts naturally for people with larger fonts. It's good for books, magazines, and newspapers, but not for technical site. ;) _

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 06:58:21 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > On 21.03.2012 00:17, R. David Murray wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:38:53 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, > >> especially as so many other projects u

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 3/21/2012 6:16 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:33:13AM +, Jonathan Hartley wrote: On 21/03/2012 08:25, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 07:00, Georg Brandl wrote: OK, that seems to be the main point people make... let me see if I can come up with a be

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Chris Withers
On 21/03/2012 09:33, Jonathan Hartley wrote: On 21/03/2012 08:25, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 07:00, Georg Brandl wrote: OK, that seems to be the main point people make... let me see if I can come up with a better compromise. Would it be possible to limit the width of the

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:58:57 -0400 Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 3/20/2012 6:38 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > > Let me know what you think, or play around and send some improvements. > > (The collapsible sidebar is not adapted to it yet, but will definitely > > be integrated before I consider applying a

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:39:41 -0400 Terry Reedy wrote: > On 3/20/2012 6:38 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > > The current green on the front page is too heavy. Green? hmm... you mean blue, right? :) Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Ben Finney
Dirkjan Ochtman writes: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 07:00, Georg Brandl wrote: > > OK, that seems to be the main point people make... let me see if I > > can come up with a better compromise. > > Would it be possible to limit the width of the page? On my 1920px > monitor, the lines get awfully lon

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:33:13AM +, Jonathan Hartley wrote: > On 21/03/2012 08:25, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 07:00, Georg Brandl wrote: > >>OK, that seems to be the main point people make... let me see if I can > >>come up with a better compromise. > >Would it be poss

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Jonathan Hartley
On 21/03/2012 08:25, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 07:00, Georg Brandl wrote: OK, that seems to be the main point people make... let me see if I can come up with a better compromise. Would it be possible to limit the width of the page? On my 1920px monitor, the lines get awful

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Matt Joiner
Turn your monitor portrait or make the window smaller :) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 07:00, Georg Brandl wrote: > OK, that seems to be the main point people make... let me see if I can > come up with a better compromise. Would it be possible to limit the width of the page? On my 1920px monitor, the lines get awfully long, making them harder to read. Cheer

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Georg Brandl
On 21.03.2012 01:57, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> Georg Brandl mailto:g.bra...@gmx.net>> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, >>> especially as so many other projects use it. I decid

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Georg Brandl
On 21.03.2012 00:17, R. David Murray wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:38:53 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, >> especially as so many other projects use it. I decided to play around >> with something "clean" this time,

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Georg Brandl
On 20.03.2012 23:45, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Nice and clean, but looks too similar to newer Google properties... > Also I see that (like Google) you're falling for the fallacy of using > less contrast. From an accessibility perspective that's questionable > -- and I don't mean the legally blind,

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 3/20/2012 6:38 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: Let me know what you think, or play around and send some improvements. (The collapsible sidebar is not adapted to it yet, but will definitely be integrated before I consider applying a new theme to the real docs.) Not to add to the chorus of tweakers, but

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/20/2012 6:38 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: The current green on the front page is too heavy. Otherwise I prefer the old. I like the color on the index chart of the builtin-functions page. You un-bolded most (not all) of the entries and then are definitely too thin now. You unbolded the blue els

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 20, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Georg Brandl wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, >> especially as so many other projects use it. I decided to play around >> with something "clean" this time, and this is the result: >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 20Mar2012 15:45, Guido van Rossum wrote: | Nice and clean, but looks too similar to newer Google properties... | Also I see that (like Google) you're falling for the fallacy of using | less contrast. From an accessibility perspective that's questionable | -- and I don't mean the legally blind,

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hi Georg, On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:38:53 +0100 Georg Brandl wrote: > Hi all, > > recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, > especially as so many other projects use it. I decided to play around > with something "clean" this time, and this is the result: > > http://w

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/2012 06:45 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Nice and clean, but looks too similar to newer Google properties... > Also I see that (like Google) you're falling for the fallacy of using > less contrast. From an accessibility perspective that's qu

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:38:53 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > Hi all, > > recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, > especially as so many other projects use it. I decided to play around > with something "clean" this time, and this is the result: > > http://www.python.o

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread John O'Connor
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, > especially as so many other projects use it. I think regardless of the chosen style, giving the Python 3 docs a different look and feel also has a psychological benefit tha

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Guido van Rossum
Nice and clean, but looks too similar to newer Google properties... Also I see that (like Google) you're falling for the fallacy of using less contrast. From an accessibility perspective that's questionable -- and I don't mean the legally blind, just people like myself whose eyes are getting a bit

[Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi all, recently I've grown a bit tired of seeing our default Sphinx theme, especially as so many other projects use it. I decided to play around with something "clean" this time, and this is the result: http://www.python.org/~gbrandl/build/html/ The corresponding sandbox repo is at http:/

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