Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:59:32 am Ben Finney wrote: > Steven D'Aprano writes: > > We don't need to make excuses for why we don't give the answer > > here. It's enough to give the reason -- it's off-topic for this > > list, which is about the development of Python. That and a pointer > > to the right

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano writes: > We don't need to make excuses for why we don't give the answer here. > It's enough to give the reason -- it's off-topic for this list, which > is about the development of Python. That and a pointer to the right > list is, in my opinion, all we need to say. We don't need

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 22/07/2010 23:25, Terry Reedy wrote: On 7/22/2010 8:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:02:33 pm Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: OTOH I think as quick as possible an answer is a good idea here. It saves the intended audience the thought about whether to reply or not, and an inst

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/22/2010 8:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:02:33 pm Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: OTOH I think as quick as possible an answer is a good idea here. It saves the intended audience the thought about whether to reply or not, and an instant, constructive answer says that someb

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/22/2010 3:29 PM, average wrote: Speacking of etiquette, it is traditional to use real names in the from field on pydev. It will get you more attention and respect. A reference or link to ESR's "How to Ask Questions The Smart Way" (http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) is a prett

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread average
>  > > ...After a sufficient period of waiting, say a day or two with no > response: >  > >  >    Ok, I'll wait a bit longer. > > I don't think that's a good idea. My bad, I really only meant a "sufficient delay to allow the possibility of an interested party replying". I actually figured about

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:02:33 pm Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > OTOH I think as quick as possible an answer is a good idea here. It > saves the intended audience the thought about whether to reply or > not, and an instant, constructive answer says that somebody cares. +1 I think that waiting "a d

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 06:02:33PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Oleg Broytman writes: > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 07:28:24PM -0600, average wrote: > > > As to your question of how best to handle inquiries from the blue or > > > "noisy questions", I personally prefer the following (only sl

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Oleg Broytman writes: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 07:28:24PM -0600, average wrote: > > As to your question of how best to handle inquiries from the blue or > > "noisy questions", I personally prefer the following (only slightly > > tongue-in-cheek): > > > > ...After a sufficient period of wait

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 07:28:24PM -0600, average wrote: > As to your question of how best to handle inquiries from the blue or > "noisy questions", I personally prefer the following (only slightly > tongue-in-cheek): > > ...After a sufficient period of waiting, say a day or two with no response:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread Greg Ewing
On 21/07/10 23:43, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: IIUC, he wanted to know how Python handles SIGKILL, when the hole point of SIGKILL is that you cannot handle it. No, I think he wanted to know how Python disallows attempting to set a handler for SIGKILL, when he couldn't find any code that special-ca

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread average
>> 1. I suggested one improvement to the canned response in my previous >> post: expand 'using' to 'using or understanding'. > >   I changed wording to "if you're having problems learning, understanding > or using Python" I think it's critical to disambiguate between questions about "using and pro

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread Reid Kleckner
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:43 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Unfortunately (?) the question also revealed a lack of understanding > of a fairly basic concept. IIUC, he wanted to know how Python > handles SIGKILL, when the hole point of SIGKILL is that you cannot > handle it. So he shouldn't have be

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
No, the reply is fine as far as it goes, and I am sure the poster did get a reply from c.l.py, but his question revealed a thirst for knowledge not usually evidenced in non-dev inquiries. Unfortunately (?) the question also revealed a lack of understanding of a fairly basic concept. IIUC, he wan

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 01:51:07PM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 7/20/2010 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > 1. I suggested one improvement to the canned response in my previous > post: expand 'using' to 'using or understanding'. I changed wording to "if you're having problems learning, unders

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/20/2010 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: I know, the task of sending answers like I've sent is quite unappreciated. *I* appreciate it. I mostly do not respond to such because I expect you or Aahz will. I know, the meaning of my answer is rude because, in short, it's simply "Please, g

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: .. >   I know, the task of sending answers like I've sent is quite > unappreciated. I know, the meaning of my answer is rude because, in short, > it's simply "Please, go away", and however I stress the "please" part it's > still "go away". If I

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Steve Holden
On 7/20/2010 11:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:08:00PM -0600, average wrote: >> Wha? How could this not be the right place? He's not asking about >> USING python, but asking: WHERE in the PYTHON CODE BASE does the >> signal get checked? >> >> A-bit-miffed-at-the-cold-sho

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:08:00PM -0600, average wrote: > Wha? How could this not be the right place? He's not asking about > USING python, but asking: WHERE in the PYTHON CODE BASE does the > signal get checked? > > A-bit-miffed-at-the-cold-shoulderly yours, > > Marcos (wink wink) I know