Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Remove mention of medical condition from the test suite.

2011-07-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jim Jewett writes: If you're going to get rid of the pun, you might as well change the whole sentence... In fact, he should, since this is such a well-known pun that many people will consciously make the reverse substitution, and wonder WTF python-dev was thinking when they put the amended

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 397 (Python launcher for Windows) reference implementation

2011-07-05 Thread Mark Hammond
On 2/07/2011 5:16 PM, I wrote: Given [the C implementation] is now ahead of the Python reference impl, I wonder if we should just drop all wording about that reference impl and just treat the C impl as canonical? I'm looking to update the PEP based on this discussion - does anyone object to

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 397 (Python launcher for Windows) reference implementation

2011-07-05 Thread Vinay Sajip
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes: I've installed other WIndows apps that create multiple add/remove programs entries from a single installer. I believe people are suggesting a similar thing here (i.e. have the launcher installed automatically when installing python, but create a

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 397 (Python launcher for Windows) reference implementation

2011-07-05 Thread Paul Moore
On 5 July 2011 03:26, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Mark Hammond skippy.hamm...@gmail.com wrote: If the launcher is such that we can unconditionally recommend its use, IMO we should just install it with Python.  I'll go with the consensus though...

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Remove mention of medical condition from the test suite.

2011-07-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:27:00 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: One could also use the somewhat euphemistic unprofessional language. That points to why such changes are justified despite an author's right to have her mode of expression respected -- the Python project aims at

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.2): Issue #12497: Install test/data to prevent failures of the various codecmaps

2011-07-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 04:11:45 +0200 ned.deily python-check...@python.org wrote: LIBSUBDIRS= tkinter tkinter/test tkinter/test/test_tkinter \ tkinter/test/test_ttk site-packages test \ - test/capath \ + test/capath test/data \

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.2): Issue #12497: Install test/data to prevent failures of the various codecmaps

2011-07-05 Thread Victor Stinner
Le mardi 05 juillet 2011 11:49:03, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 04:11:45 +0200 ned.deily python-check...@python.org wrote: LIBSUBDIRS=tkinter tkinter/test tkinter/test/test_tkinter \ tkinter/test/test_ttk site-packages test \ -

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 397 (Python launcher for Windows) reference implementation

2011-07-05 Thread Vinay Sajip
Mark Hammond skippy.hammond at gmail.com writes: Or an MSI installer may be able to offer a repair feature without too much pain. A few more observations to do with installation: 1. It's been mentioned that a standalone version should be available for use with earlier Python versions. This

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 397 (Python launcher for Windows) reference implementation

2011-07-05 Thread Michael Urman
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 03:01, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Were those other Windows apps packaged as .msi, or .exe? AFAICT, although you can embed an MSI inside another one, the practice of concurrent/nested installations is strongly discouraged by Microsoft - see

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Remove mention of medical condition from the test suite.

2011-07-05 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: That points to why such changes are justified despite an author's right to have her mode of expression respected -- the Python project aims at professionalism, and offensive language detracts from it. Given that the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 397 (Python launcher for Windows) reference implementation

2011-07-05 Thread Vinay Sajip
Michael Urman murman at gmail.com writes: You can certainly jump through all these hoops, but the pieces here are much more suited towards a component definition that can be shared among multiple products. If the component always installs to the same place, has the same GUID, and otherwise

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Remove mention of medical condition from the test suite.

2011-07-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Antoine Pitrou writes: I sincerely hope we don't start using the word professional to denote careful or good quality. No, by professional I mean of a profession, which is a service that is provided by experts to laymen, and therefore demands adherence to certain standards since the clients

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Remove mention of medical condition from the test suite.

2011-07-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 01:23:55 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Antoine Pitrou writes: I sincerely hope we don't start using the word professional to denote careful or good quality. No, by professional I mean of a profession, which is a service that is provided by

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Remove mention of medical condition from the test suite.

2011-07-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Antoine Pitrou writes: On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 01:23:55 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Antoine Pitrou writes: I sincerely hope we don't start using the word professional to denote careful or good quality. No, by professional I mean of a profession, I

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiling Python 3.2 on Cygwin fails

2011-07-05 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com wrote: Cygwin is not really a supported platform. ... [Ultimately somebody with an interest in cygwin will need to get active in python development. I've been meaning to do this but life gets in the way.] I was bitten by

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiling Python 3.2 on Cygwin fails

2011-07-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:12, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com wrote: Cygwin is not really a supported platform. ... [Ultimately somebody with an interest in cygwin will need to get active in python development.

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiling Python 3.2 on Cygwin fails

2011-07-05 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:12, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com wrote: Cygwin is not really a supported platform. ... [Ultimately somebody

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiling Python 3.2 on Cygwin fails

2011-07-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:41, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:12, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiling Python 3.2 on Cygwin fails

2011-07-05 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:41, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:12, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Issue #12452: Plist and Dict are now deprecated

2011-07-05 Thread Victor Stinner
Le mardi 05 juillet 2011 à 07:59 -0400, Eric Smith a écrit : On 7/4/2011 8:28 AM, victor.stinner wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/4f14050a963f changeset: 71194:4f14050a963f user:Victor Stinner victor.stin...@haypocalc.com date:Mon Jul 04 14:28:45 2011 +0200

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Issue #12452: Plist and Dict are now deprecated

2011-07-05 Thread Eric Smith
Plist and Dict were never documented (in Doc/library/plistlib.rst). These classes have no test. Ouch! You mean that I should add an entry to Misc/NEWS saying that these classe are now deprecated? Should I also mention the deprecation to the What's new in Python 3.3? document? Yes. I think

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #12469: replace assertions by explicit if+raise

2011-07-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
Exception is for catching, not raising. On Jul 4, 2011 11:57 AM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote: Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 à 18:23 +0200, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 18:06:53 +0200 victor.stinner python-check...@python.org wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Remove mention of medical condition from the test suite.

2011-07-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
It's not a bug and shouldn't be fixed. We leave lots of minor infractions in the code because the code churn of fixing them all would be too distracting. On Jul 3, 2011 10:22 AM, georg.brandl python-check...@python.org wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/76452b892838 changeset:

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Remove mention of medical condition from the test suite.

2011-07-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
To clarify, now that I have access to an actual keyboard instead of just a cellphone: I think it should be rolled back, since the proper process for controversial changes was not followed. Our process (part of our culture, if you will) for anything controversial is to discuss the change first,

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiling Python 3.2 on Cygwin fails

2011-07-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 15:10, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:41, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiling Python 3.2 on Cygwin fails

2011-07-05 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 15:10, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: Am I correct in assuming that stable buildbots are required to be reasonably functional before a release is tagged? Yep - all green is the goal.