Re: [Python-Dev] patch for review: __import__ documentation

2010-04-15 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: I see the confusion. I think Martin meant more about open issues that required discussion, not simply issues that had a patch ready to go. I'm curious - if one isn't supposed to ping the mailing list every time, how does one ask the tracker

Re: [Python-Dev] patch for review: __import__ documentation

2010-04-15 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: I see the confusion. I think Martin meant more about open issues that required discussion, not simply issues that had a patch ready to go. Ach. I hit 'send' too soon. I also wanted to say: it seemed quite clear to me that Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] Automatic installer builds (was Re: Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X))

2010-04-15 Thread David Bolen
Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com writes: Speaking of which... I have a mac-mini that could be used for a buildbot. How much work is needed to kickstart a buildbot, taking into account that I'd prefer to have a buildbot with different configure-flags that the default unix build (that is,

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:            I am surprised to see that the bug-tracker doesn't have an OS classifier or ability to add tags ? Since a number of issues reported seem to Just to remind about my +1 for user editable tags. There is one. In

Re: [Python-Dev] Automatic installer builds (was Re: Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X))

2010-04-15 Thread David Cournapeau
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:54 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote:    Bill In any case, they shouldn't be needed on buildbots maintained by    Bill the PSF. Sure.  My question was related to humans building binary distributions though.  Unless that becomes fully automated so the release manager can

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Ned Deily
In article 4bc697d2.4020...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Ned Deily
In article 4bc63599.5020...@voidspace.org.uk, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: A build on my machine produces output similar to: Python build finished, but the necessary bits to build these modules were not found: _bsddb third-party (Sleepycat) library needed (see the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Ned Deily
In article 4bc61278.7020...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Ned Deily wrote: That *is* something that the PSF could help with. I would be happy to help with that myself, although my time to do so will be very limited for the next few weeks. The PSF still has a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Michael Foord
Whilst making Python easier to build on the Mac is certainly a worthy goal, the point of my post was to demonstrate (in reply to an email by Greg Ewing) *why* building a *full* Python from source was non-trivial. I personally only build Python from source to test changes to core-Python and am

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of 2.7b1?

2010-04-15 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 14:43, David Bolen db3l@gmail.com wrote: Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com writes: The tests are run on a native Win32 build as compiled by VS2008. The functionality is Win32 specific and wouldn't work on Cygwin, so the tests are skipped there. I believe

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread Nick Coghlan
anatoly techtonik wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Or even a separate OS field with Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, *BSD, Other as the options? It is not uncommon when code written on Unix can affect both MacOS and Windows, so you need to be able to

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes: anatoly techtonik wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.comwrote: Or even a separate OS field with Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, *BSD, Other as the options? It is not uncommon when code written on Unix can

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread Nick Coghlan
Antoine Pitrou wrote: Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes: anatoly techtonik wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.comwrote: Or even a separate OS field with Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, *BSD, Other as the options? It is not uncommon when code written on

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes: That's where the discussion started - whether or not moving that information out to a separate field would actually be an improvement or not. I don't use the tracker intensively enough to give a considered opinion. For me, the less UI overhead the

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 02:31:23PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: We already have Macintosh and Windows in the multi-select component field. It would be nice if the bug interface didn't grow more complicated than it already is. +1 There isn't any need for yet another classification. --

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 03:20, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised to see that the bug-tracker doesn't have an OS classifier or ability to add tags ? Since a number of issues

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread skip
Ned Any idea what type of machine it is and where it is currently Ned located? I seem to recall it is/was a G4 XServe. My guess as to location would be at xs4all.nl. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

[Python-Dev] urlparse - to parse IPv6 URL in 2.7 b2 ?

2010-04-15 Thread Senthil Kumaran
http://bugs.python.org/issue2987 This deals with a feature request of parsing an IPv6 URL according to standards. The patch is pretty complete and we have good test coverage too. Is it okay to include this in Python 2.7 b2 release? It would be a worthy addition. -- Senthil

Re: [Python-Dev] patch for review: __import__ documentation

2010-04-15 Thread Brett Cannon
Yes, we have different opinions. My personal take is to wait a week before you email python-dev if there has been no activity. That is enough time for people interested in the patch to get to it as we all have different schedules. Any faster and it feels like noise on the list to me. Brett (from

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
What's non-trivial about it? Building a DMG file, in a way that the output will actually work on most other systems. As Ronald pointed out, the installer build script does all of the dirty work of building the install disk image (the .dmg file), including downloading and building

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Ned Deily wrote: In article 4bc61278.7020...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Ned Deily wrote: That *is* something that the PSF could help with. I would be happy to help with that myself, although my time to do so will be very limited for the next few weeks. The

Re: [Python-Dev] Automatic installer builds (was Re: Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X))

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
In the first builds, I have noticed that the build master seems to execute the builds as a Unix system, so isn't building with the universalsdk option or as a framework, though the latter would probably need a bit of glue to make the framework available just locally to the buildbot process.

Re: [Python-Dev] urlparse - to parse IPv6 URL in 2.7 b2 ?

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Senthil Kumaran wrote: http://bugs.python.org/issue2987 This deals with a feature request of parsing an IPv6 URL according to standards. The patch is pretty complete and we have good test coverage too. Is it okay to include this in Python 2.7 b2 release? It would be a worthy addition.

Re: [Python-Dev] urlparse - to parse IPv6 URL in 2.7 b2 ?

2010-04-15 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes: [...] 2. My personal recommendation is to allow it: while it *is* a new feature, it is a feature that doesn't change any API. That's my opinion too. Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Ned Deily
In article 19399.11323.946604.992...@montanaro.dyndns.org, s...@pobox.com wrote: Ned Any idea what type of machine it is and where it is currently Ned located? I seem to recall it is/was a G4 XServe. My guess as to location would be at xs4all.nl. If it were working that could be

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
If it were working that could be of use. It would not be able to run OS X 10.6 but having a 10.5 system PPC system as a buildbot would certainly be useful; it should be fine for the default installer configuration builds. (Alas, I don't expect to be anywhere in the vicinity in the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 04:41, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 4bc697d2.4020...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then,

Re: [Python-Dev] patch for review: __import__ documentation

2010-04-15 Thread Brett Cannon
Yes, we have different opinions. My personal take is to wait a week before you email python-dev if there has been no activity. That is enough time for people interested in the patch to get to it as we all have different schedules. Any faster and it feels like noise on the list to me. Brett (from

Re: [Python-Dev] Automatic installer builds (was Re: Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X))

2010-04-15 Thread David Bolen
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: Not sure what you mean by make available - I thought this is just a matter of configure options? Building as a framework, yes. But I think there's some steps to take to then have the test python binary use the locally built framework while running

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147 ready for pronouncement and merging

2010-04-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
Comments inline. Nothing showstopping, mostly just spewing obscure background information... Overall, congratulations! I'm fine with the implementation going in and the PEP being marked as accepted as long as you get to the clarifications I suggest below soon after. --Guido On Tue, Apr 13, 2010

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147 ready for pronouncement and merging

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Holden
Guido van Rossum wrote: [...] Implementation strategy === This feature is targeted for Python 3.2, solving the problem for those and all future versions. It may be back-ported to Python Is there time given that 2.7b1 was released? I would hope we have learned out

Re: [Python-Dev] OS information, tags

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Holden
Brian Curtin wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 03:20, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com mailto:techto...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised to see that the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Holden
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Building the Mac installer requires volunteer time which I'm not sure that more hardware will fix - compiling a full build of Python for Mac OS X (with all the Python modules like Tkinter etc) requires expertise which only

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Holden
Bill Janssen wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: [..] It would take even more expertise to capture the remaining pieces in the script, too, and no living person has that much expertise to write the script (perhaps there are one or two people, and they don't have the time).

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for commit access

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Holden
Martin v. Löwis wrote: That's an ideal case, but it doesn't work, because more or less senior committers are already too busy. If they do not even have time to review issues, followup on patches - how can they monitor who reached the appropriate karma level? The practice proves to be

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Groups mirror (Was: Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7)

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Holden
anatoly techtonik wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: Anatoly, I am now answering only in Distutils-SIG. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Seems like I start to hate mailing lists even more with

Re: [Python-Dev] Automatic installer builds (was Re: Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X))

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Keeping the knowledge in the makefile or script in the source tree would let the rules change across branches without affecting the build master. Though if having more specific rules in the master was easier, I'd be fine with that too. Intuitively, I find the set of batch files used for