Am 20.07.2010 06:37, schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull:
Mark Lawrence writes:
Is this the same login as for the issue tracker or is a new one needed?
It's different. Both trackers are supposed to support OpenID logins,
I believe. (However, there are somewhat frequent reports of
difficulties
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes:
Mark Lawrence writes:
On 18/07/2010 23:38, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
The direct link [to the “meta-tracker”] is
http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/
Is this the same login as for the issue tracker or is a new one
needed?
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:08:00PM -0600, average wrote:
Wha? How could this not be the right place? He's not asking about
USING python, but asking: WHERE in the PYTHON CODE BASE does the
signal get checked?
A-bit-miffed-at-the-cold-shoulderly yours,
Marcos (wink wink)
I know, the
Thanks for drawing my attention to that; if the people who made OpenID
auth happen are observing this, then thank you all very much!
You're welcome!
Any hope of feeding those changes back upstream so it's available to all
Roundup users at some point?
Hope dies last.
It's main foundation is
Sorry, I don't know what is the no constant arguments guideline refers to.
Could you give me some more explanation?
By the way, I feel adding separate functions is not quiet worthy for such a
function.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nzwrote:
Ray Allen
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:49:44 pm 岳帅杰 wrote:
Sorry, I don't know what is the no constant arguments guideline
refers to. Could you give me some more explanation?
It refers to the guideline that you shouldn't have a single function
with two (or more) different behaviour and an argument that does
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:06:32 +0100, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
You all might have gathered that I'm very dispirited by the negative
attitudes that I get from a relatively small minority of Python people.
I might as well quit because it doesn't do my mental health a great
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
function to os, and +0.5 on adding the variant to the shutil module.
shutil seems like the place for it to me. The subtlety of getting the
error
I wonder why would anyone want to use datetime.today() instead of
datetime.now()?
Because this method is also present in datetime.date. Thus, you can
reference stuff like d.today().day without caring whether d is a date
or a datetime object.
Anders
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I tend to agree. Perhaps all we need is a recipe in the docs:
try:
os.makedirs(path)
except OSError, e:
if e.errno != 17:
raise
What if the path or a parent of it already exists as a file? If one has
requested -p I believe one
I'd go with putting it in shutil. We could also add a function there
that wraps up the recipe in issue 9311 to work around the quirks of
os.access on FreeBSD (and possibly other platforms).
--
R. David Murray www.bitdance.com
On 7/20/2010 11:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:08:00PM -0600, average wrote:
Wha? How could this not be the right place? He's not asking about
USING python, but asking: WHERE in the PYTHON CODE BASE does the
signal get checked?
A-bit-miffed-at-the-cold-shoulderly
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
..
I know, the task of sending answers like I've sent is quite
unappreciated. I know, the meaning of my answer is rude because, in short,
it's simply Please, go away, and however I stress the please part it's
still go away.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
It refers to the guideline that you shouldn't have a single function
with two (or more) different behaviour and an argument that does
nothing but select between them.
In particular, when that argument is almost never
Le 18/07/2010 23:17, Alexander Belopolsky a écrit :
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
Maybe going off on a tangent, but I find it frustrating because you (plural)
can't find a given module on the issue tracker. Say I'm looking for issues
relating
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Anders Sandvig
anders.sand...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder why would anyone want to use datetime.today() instead of
datetime.now()?
Because this method is also present in datetime.date. Thus, you can
reference stuff like d.today().day without caring whether d is
On 07/20/2010 10:43 AM, Fred Drake wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info wrote:
It refers to the guideline that you shouldn't have a single function
with two (or more) different behaviour and an argument that does
nothing but select between them.
In
On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info wrote:
I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
function to os, and +0.5 on adding the variant to the shutil module.
shutil seems like the place
On 07/20/2010 11:47 AM, Ron Adam wrote:
On 07/20/2010 10:43 AM, Fred Drake wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info
wrote:
It refers to the guideline that you shouldn't have a single function
with two (or more) different behaviour and an argument that does
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com wrote:
It doesn't fall under the single constant rule if done this way.
If the value for 'allow' were almost always given as a constant, this
would be an argument for three functions instead of one.
The guideline has little to do with
While fixing the :option: markup in the library docs
(http://bugs.python.org/issue9312), another question came up:
In a few places, documenting a program execution with options was made with:
:program:`python regrtest.py` :option:`test_spam.py`
Since my patch had the :option: markup removed,
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote:
..
``python regrtest.py test_spam.py``
Which way to choose? I will update my patch to reflect this.
Sorry to add the third way to the mix, but shouldn't the recommended
way to run a module as a script be python -m modname?
Switching to python -m is generally good where it applies (as in this case).
The original intent for :option: and :program: were in their use as
references rather than in sample command lines.
Georg should be the final arbiter, but I'd be in favor of ``...`` for
command lines.
Sorry to add the third way to the mix, but shouldn't the recommended
way to run a module as a script be python -m modname? As in
$ python -m test.regrtest test_spam
This is true but orthogonal to our problem, which is that
:program:`python -m thing` is wrong if I understood the doc rightly
I've opened issue 9315 (http://bugs.python.org/issue9315) to address
the lack of unit tests for the trace.py module. I hope to get to it in
a few days and add some tests.
As Terry wrote in the beginning of this thread, Lib/test/test_trace.py
currently tests the sys.settrace module, so the tests
On 7/20/2010 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
I know, the task of sending answers like I've sent is quite
unappreciated.
*I* appreciate it. I mostly do not respond to such because I expect you
or Aahz will.
I know, the meaning of my answer is rude because, in short,
it's simply Please,
On 7/20/2010 12:49 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info
wrote:
I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
function to os, and +0.5 on adding the variant to the shutil
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote:
As Terry wrote in the beginning of this thread, Lib/test/test_trace.py
currently tests the sys.settrace module, so the tests of trace.py
should find a new home. Does Lib/test/test_trace_module.py make sense
or is something
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:45:42 +0200, mer...@netwok.org wrote:
On 18/07/2010 23:17, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
Maybe going off on a tangent, but I find it frustrating because you (plural)
can't find a given module
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Reid Kleckner reid.kleck...@gmail.com wrote:
..
IMO you should just rename test_trace.py to test_settrace.py, and put
the trace.py tests in test_trace.py.
+1
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On 07/20/2010 12:00 PM, Fred Drake wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Ron Adamr...@ronadam.com wrote:
It doesn't fall under the single constant rule if done this way.
If the value for 'allow' were almost always given as a constant, this
would be an argument for three functions
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:16 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
..
During the most recent discussion I can remember, I thought I remembered
Stephen Trumble saying that they'd tried that in xemacs and it really
hadn't worked very well. Since he now says he thinks it's a good idea
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 01:51:07PM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/20/2010 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
1. I suggested one improvement to the canned response in my previous
post: expand 'using' to 'using or understanding'.
I changed wording to if you're having problems learning,
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 02:53:53PM -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
Have you ever cursed these extra clever address forms that make
you select a state from a drop-down list of 50 if not a country from
the list of 100+?
Well, I have never, because in any of these drop-down lists I can
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
..
Well, I have never, because in any of these drop-down lists I can press
a few first letters of the name and the cursor jumps to the country. I
often select countries in such lists in web browsers.
Really? What
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 03:13:41PM -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
..
Well, I have never, because in any of these drop-down lists I can press
a few first letters of the name and the cursor jumps to the country. I
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
..
Really? What smartphone are you using? :-)
Are you developing an interface for smartphones? Wouldn't it hurt
usability for desktops/notebooks?
You missed the smiley in my response. But seriously, I do find the
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 04:27:45PM -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote:
..
Really? What smartphone are you using? :-)
Are you developing an interface for smartphones? Wouldn't it hurt
usability for desktops/notebooks?
As one of the beneficiaries of the efforts (much appreciated) last
year to obtain Microsoft MSDN subscriptions for developers/testers (in
my case, primarily buildbot operation), I was wondering if anyone
might know if those subscriptions will be able to be renewed this
year?
-- David
In any case, a module list should be separate from components.
On 7/20/2010 4:43 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
In this particular case I'd rather tend to agree - an editable
single-line box to enter space-*and*-comma-separated modules list would be
the best interface.
An interesting idea.
In
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 16:53, David Bolen db3l@gmail.com wrote:
As one of the beneficiaries of the efforts (much appreciated) last
year to obtain Microsoft MSDN subscriptions for developers/testers (in
my case, primarily buildbot operation), I was wondering if anyone
might know if those
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Reid Kleckner reid.kleck...@gmail.com
wrote:
..
IMO you should just rename test_trace.py to test_settrace.py, and put
the trace.py tests in test_trace.py.
+1
Yep,
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
The only problem I can see with this feature is how to design a usable
UI. Have you ever cursed these extra clever address forms that make
you select a state from a drop-down list of 50 if not a country
On 20Jul2010 17:49, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
| On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
| On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info
wrote:
| I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
| function to os, and +0.5 on adding
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 20Jul2010 17:49, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
| On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
| On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Apranost...@pearwood.info
wrote:
| I'm -0 on adding an argument
Am 20.07.2010 23:09, schrieb Terry Reedy:
In any case, a module list should be separate from components.
On 7/20/2010 4:43 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
In this particular case I'd rather tend to agree - an editable
single-line box to enter space-*and*-comma-separated modules list would be
岳帅杰 wrote:
Sorry, I don't know what is the no constant arguments guideline refers
to. Could you give me some more explanation?
It's a rule of thumb that Guido says he uses when
designing an API. If in the majority of use cases for
a proposed function, one of its arguments would always
be a
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Perhaps all we need is a recipe in the docs:
try:
os.makedirs(path)
except OSError, e:
if e.errno != 17:
raise
I don't like writing code that depends on particular
errno values, because I don't trust it to work cross-
platform.
Also it seems suboptimal
I don't see what would be so bad about adding a new
function for this. Think of it as correcting the mistake
of not making makedirs() behave this way from the
beginning.
If you want to add a new function, then what its name should be? I guess it
should be too similar as existing ones. It's
R. David Murray writes:
During the most recent discussion I can remember, I thought I remembered
Stephen Trumble saying that they'd tried that in xemacs and it really
hadn't worked very well. Since he now says he thinks it's a good idea
(or more likely I misremembered what he said the
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