ond part, I just really don't like the 'ee'.
Interestingly, you could also use this to match multiple prefixes or
suffixes and find out *which one* matched (since the existing
methods don't report that):
s2 = s.replaceend(suffixes, '')
suffix_len = le
On 22.03.2020 7:46, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
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Does it need to be separate methods?
Yes.
Overloading a single method to do two dissimilar things is poor design.
They are similar. We're removing stuff from
the C implementation would be
- Clarified that returning ``self`` is an optimization
- Added links to past discussions on Python-Ideas and Python-Dev
- Specified ability to accept a tuple of strings
- Shorter abstract section and fewer stdlib examples
- Mentioned
- Typ
>>> s
'Baz'
and::
>>> s = 'FooBar' * 100 + 'Baz'
>>> prefixes = ('Bar', 'Foo')
>>> while s.startswith(prefixes): s = s.cutprefix(prefixes)
>>> s
'Baz'
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Thanks Ned - confirmed that works in 2.7.17 - maybe it was there in
2.7.16 and I just overlooked that messaging in the last step.
m
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=>
--> print(socket.AF_UNIX)
AddressFamily.AF_UNIX ==> socket.AF_UNIX
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I'm skeptical about anything that hides an object's "true nature": this is a
major landmine in diagnostics because it lies to you about what
you are looking at a
On 26.03.2020 4:10, Chris Angelico wrote:
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I'm skeptical about anything that hides an object's &q
On 26.03.2020 11:59, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
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E. g. in this case, AF_UNIX is a member of some entity called "AddressFamily" -- so I would search the code for "AddressFamily" to see
what I'm looking at and what else I
On 26.03.2020 19:24, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 03/25/2020 06:53 PM, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
A diagnostic is always done by the same algorithm:
1) Identify the exact place in code where the problem manifests itself
2) Examine the state of the program at that moment to find out which if
d why they were
rejected, seems sufficient.
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t do you get? You presumably don’t even need to look that up or try
it out. It would be pretty confusing if it were different without the tuple.
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to HPy. The transition from Python 2 to Python 3 showed that migrations
are very slow and never fully complete.
The PEP also rely on the assumption that `Most C extensions don't rely
directly on CPython internals`_ and so will remain compatible with the
new opaque C API.
The concept o
th a tag for the object type.
Isn’t that already possible to do with the current API contract (when ignoring
the stable ABI)? You’re already supposed to use accessor macro’s to access and
modify attributes in the PyObject structure, those can be modified to do
something else for tagged pointers
adding a level of indirection, and could
probably be fixed in a similar way in Python.
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was a suggestion to create a different type for this, but I don't see the point
in substantially duplicating everything SimpleNamespace already does just so we
can add some supporting dunder methods. Please add more commentary so we can
figure-out the best way
On 16.04.2020 0:34, Glenn Linderman wrote:
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When writing a proof-of-concept implementation, however, I bumped into the need to distinguish which of the child objects are containers
(thus need to be wrapped as well) and which are the
ng I do in PyObjC (fun with metaclasses, in C code).
BTW. I don’t have a an opinion on the PEP itself at this time, mostly because
it doesn’t match my current use cases.
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nting plugin
bundles for Objective-C applications in Python. These currently share the same
interpreter, which can cause problems. Subinterpreters could be helpful there
to isolate code, but that would require having an API that conditionally
initialises the Python runtime (similar to PyGILState_Ensu
t "keywords" in the subject so that
he can easily search for it months later.
In other words I try to make my emails a valuable resource.
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could implement x..y to mean x['y']
and then you could write
obj..abc..def..ghi
Still fairly concise, but warns that what is happening is not normal
attribute lookup.
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When writing a p
issue40255>>
(which contains a patch that disables refcount updates for arbitrary objects).
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> Ah, interesting.
>
>> This wouldn’t fix all problems because you can’t have two different python
>> versions in one proces, but would be better
f these tasks are already tracked in Eric Snow's "Multi Core
Python" project:
https://github.com/ericsnowcurrently/multi-core-python/issues
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ctionality (e.g.
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/2449) but it appears that changes have
been shelved in favor of PEP 543.
Is there any hope for further development on ssl? Is PEP 543 abandoned?
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e advantage to
a short thing like `strict=`.
I don't care so much about the particular spelling here to argue among
any of those, I primarily want the feature to exist.
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ites without having looked at
its source code). I have another possible use case: Independent plugins
written in Python in native applications written in other languages. That
doesn’t mean that is worthwhile to complicate the CPython code base for these.
I have no opinion on that, both beca
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Why not take a look at the list of open issues for 3.7 with PRs then? There are
702 as of now.
https://bugs.python.org/issue?%40sort0=creation&%40sort1=&%40group0=&%40group1
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I would doubt the quality of tags maintenance at Github, too. E.g.https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/12131is labeled 3.7 and 3.8 at
BPO but has no ba
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1. The documentation clearly says that it's supported depending on OS flavor -- so if I want to know if I can supply it, I need to rather
check `os.name`. Those members are thus redundant.
its" or "license" for more information.
>>> import sys, time
>>> for i in range(1,11):
... sys.stdout.write('\r%d' % i)
... time.sleep(1)
...
10>>>
# displays '1', '2' ... '10' as intended.
Best wishes
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If I run the following program (using Python 3.8.3 on a Windows 10 laptop):
import sys, time
for i in range(1,11):
sys.stdout.write('\r%d' % i)
time.sleep(1)
As intended, it displays '1', replacing it at 1-seco
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On 12.06.2020 11:01, Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev wrote:
If I run the following program (using Python 3.8.3 on a Windows 10
laptop):
import sys, time
for i in range(1,11):
sys.stdout.write('\r%d' % i)
time.sleep(1)
As in
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On 12.06.2020 11:01, Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev wrote:
If I run the following program (using Python 3.8.3 on a Windows 10 laptop):
import sys, time
for i in range(1,11
e that already uses
that variable for its own purposes.
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case (_, _):
to match any 2-tuple, so:
case _:
would match any value, and can thus already serve as the default.
Consistency with what? Where else is `_` currently used as a wildcard?
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>> in
>> > an interactive prompt.
>> >
>> > That’s not really true though right? Locks can block the REPL.
>>
>> On POSIX they don't. On Windows it's a long-standing bug:
>> htt
I had not -- thank you!
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>> That said, the meta-question still applies: Are there things which are
>> gen
e to say it's a damned clever solution to the problem.
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limb that particular mountain yet, but I
figured I'd see what obvious holes other people could poke in it.
Thanks for your help!
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> > Also, just to
spelling: `values` and `value`
3) At the end of the "Named sub-patterns" section:
"PEP 572"
It would be more helpful to say "PEP 572 (Assignment Expressions)"
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The PEP is great, but this strikes me as horribly confusing, given that
401|403|404 is already legal syntax.
IIUC any legal expression can come between `case` and `:`, but expressions
h seems to refer
to those sequence patterns using () rather than []. Probably it makes
more sense for a quick read to remove the "| group_pattern" from the
simplified grammar, it looks more like an intermediate construct.
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>>> That said, the meta-question still applies: Are there things which are
>>> generally intended *not* to be interruptible by signals, and if so, is
>>> there some consistent
e that this is warranted despite the inconveniences IMO.
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torical' history, as a rule (as opposed to git history). I think similar damage is done in this case, when the record, and opportunity
to point to and learn from it, is erased.
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not quite so good when comparing with actual values:
match value:
try 42:
...
try -1:
...
And it has the virtue of adding one less keyword.
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sages that could
be seriously improved. We don't though because commits are immutable. You can
revert them but we never downright replace them with different ones. Otherwise
what's the point in me signing release tags?
Per https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-de
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Per
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was built. A fait accompli. So there will inevitably be
resistance from the developers to accept changes suggested on
python-dev. And since the PEP has Guido's authority behind it, I think
it is likely that it will eventually be accepted pretty much as it was
originally written.
This
tionality is broken on a popular OS.
Since it's in "security fixes only" mode, you can just claim that anything
beyond that, compatibility with anything included, is not guaranteed.
You had no problems using that defense before in
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@
e term "tire fire":
A horrifying mess, either literally or figuratively
foul-smelling, that seems to last forever.
The term describes my current view of python-dev perfectly. It has
always been a problematic and mentally draining place for, sometimes
even toxic. But the recent PEP-8 di
with full reference implementations that have ended up
getting rejected; it's not a guarantee that it'll end up getting
merged.
Hope that lessens your fears a bit :)
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r would be a capture variable (contrary to the PEP)
==mod.var would be a load-and-compare value
Which may be controversial, but seems to have more overall consistency.
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horror. I'd assumed that a case that failed to match would have no effect.
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On 2020-07-08 03:08, Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev wrote:
Why not use '=' to distinguish binding from equality testing:
case Point(x, =y): # matches a Point() with 2nd parameter equal to
y; if it does, binds to x.
This would allow a future (
On 16/07/2020 08:16, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
Hello,
Le 15/07/2020 à 13:37, Mohammad Foroughi via Python-Dev a écrit :
Hi, I had an idea regarding the pattern matching issue of comparing with
a previous constant variable instead of assigning to a new local
variable. I'm not sure if thi
<https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/20472> is currently done in such a way that the
ability to backport changes from post-refactoring to pre-refactoring branches is preserved; I have not checked but I /think/ we should be
able to do the same thing with the other strategy as well.
_
top them from distracting visually from other suites that
are indented the same as 'match'. (I.e. other program components of
equal status.)
(If 'else' were allowed after 'match', I would argue that it should also
be indented, for the same reasons, and because it i
ariables is
counter-intuitive unless you explicitly learn the rules. You can't deduce it (there rules don't
exist anywhere else). This feature is central of the PEP and will be used, and will introduce
subtle bugs when misused.
That's why I consider the rules you stated is not the right way for this
feature, and that we s
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Is this one of the "two bugs" that Mark Shannon alluded to? (I have read every
message in the threads and I don't remember them being spelt out.)
And I'm curious what the other one is (is it binding to a variable `v`?).
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1. Semantic operator overloading in generic contexts is very different
from this use case. It's surrounded by a clear context.
2. Python programmer intuition varies across python programmers, and I
would find it hella unintuitive if
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On 30/07/2020 14:30, Rik de Kort via Python-Dev wrote:
I think adding the Walrus operator is trying to solve a problem that
doesn't exist. Compare the example from the PEP:
[snip]
case (x, y, z):
[snip]
quot; is
a short keyword that already exists and matches up with "as".
What about 'match'? Not as short, but fairly intuitive:
case (x, y, match Z):
print(f'A point whose z-coordinate equals {Z}')
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nclude/linux/random.h:38: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list
before '__u32'/usr/include/linux/random.h:42: error: expected
specifier-qualifier-list before '__u32'conftest.c:350: error: 'GRND_NONBLOCK'
undeclared (first use in this function)conftest.c:350:
the author to push an empty commit, that
probably would do it, but I'd consider this a last resource.
Did you suffer from this before? Which is the recommended course of action?
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Then, as Victor said, it will have to be bundled into Python's codebase.
On 05.09.2020 11:06, Emily Bowman wrote:
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As I wrote in
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l "lib" in sys.path, not its "lib64" link. I'm wondering what's
controlling this behavior. Modules/getpath.c doesn't mention
architecture-dependent lib directories anywhere, at least at first glance.
Could someone please give me a hint about where to look in
to be fixed! Fedora and OpenSUSE maintained a large
> downstream stream for at least 10 years :-) I added sys.platlibdir to
> remove this downstream change.
>
> Victor
>
> Le sam. 3 oct. 2020 à 16:46, Mikhail Golubev via Python-Dev
> a écrit :
> >
> > Hi everyone!
>
ugs.python.org/issue39542#msg372983
We are also aware that this is not new behavior. We know the PSF Conduct WG warned you on April 23, 2020 about your previous violations of
the Code of Conduct.
As such, we are taking the action of suspending your participation in Python's development for 12 mon
On 09.10.2020 15:28, Christian Heimes wrote:
On 09/10/2020 04.04, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
I don't see the point of requiring to "write an apology", especially
*before a 12-month ban*. If they understand that their behavior is
wrong, there's no need for a ban,
eaction to Code of Conduct violations. Just for
that, it was worth it to spend one hour per week to be part of this
council ;-)
The good news is that if core developers consider that the current
Steering Council gone too far, there will be soon a new election for a
new council! ;-)
Victor (speakin
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Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion or sent a PR.
Below is a list of changes since the last post (https://mail.python.org/
pipermail/python-dev/2018- July/154557.html) -- they are mostly cosmetic so I
won't post the doc again, but if you want
nks to its community.
I want to learn more, and if it is possible from the best ones. So... I
ended up here.
Thanks for your attention.
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