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screenshot (which we actively discourage for code snippets) and
occasional other rare situations.
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to mmap a file and calling .update() on the mapping in one go.
That said, that's (a) niche and (b) not even written yet.
I think I'd still agree that this might be a nonurgent fix (haven't read
the CVE properly yet).
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would have been a flat
nontopologically ordered grouping a few days ago.
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On 21Jul2022 17:46, Christopher Barker wrote:
>OT:
>Does anyone else find it very odd to call a communication system
>“discord”?
I think it is a refreshing level of honesty about what live chat is
like. As in "discordant".
Chee
f I don't
>care about, I'm going to disable mailing list mode and if python-dev dies, I'll
>pretty much quit following Python's development.
As mentioned, mailing list mode seems to be the firehose. The other
"Emails" settings seem reasonably versatile to me on the face of it.
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On 21Jul2022 13:25, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>Cameron Simpson writes:
> > Discourse does not do `In-Reply-To:` very well at all. Here's some
> > headers from the _second_ post in the "Core dev sprint this year"
> > thread:
> >
> > Message-ID:
&g
bogus
- they can be fixed (I'll submit a bug report, someone told me how to do
that...)
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(), the chosen queuing system ...
or whatever other queuing system you might be using. The idea here is to
make it easy to submit a function to any of several things rather than
decorating the function itself to submit to a now-hardwired thing.
Just things to consider
On 08Nov2021 23:32, MRAB wrote:
>On 2021-11-08 22:10, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>>{} in {1:'a', 'b':2] <-- TypeError because of hashability
>>>set() in {1, 2, 'a', 'b'} <-- ditto
>>>[] in ['a', 'b', 1, 2] <-- False
>>
>>Right. Also, the me
That isn't exactly parallel to flags. What
if "SomeFlag.nothing < SomeFlag.something" meant a subset test? Would we
need "in" at all? Or is "<" out of the picture because FLags, or at
least IntFlags, might do numeric-like stuff with "<"?
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g
_able_ to put "." in sys.path (though I think a concrete absolute path
is a saner choice).
So for Bernat and Larry: not systems where "." doesn't mean the working
directory, but definitely in situations where you want a more secure
loading of modules (i.e. only from wh
On 28Feb2021 20:05, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>I'm trying to shorten this again...
>
>On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 5:54 PM Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> Let's turn this on its head:
>> - what specific harm comes from giving EGs container truthiness for
>> size
>>
On 28Feb2021 23:56, Irit Katriel wrote:
>If you go long, I go longer :)
:-)
>On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 10:51 PM Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> On 28Feb2021 10:40, Irit Katriel wrote:
>> >split() and subgroup() take care to preserve the correct metadata on
>> >all
>
eptionGroups should be any
different.
I certainly do not want ExceptionGroup([AttributeError]) conflated with
AttributeError. That fills me with horror.
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(such as a future variant of asyncio.gather()), you
>don't have to care about it. [...] that's why I am proposing to change the PEP
>so that your
>code will remain safe.
That would be welcome to me, too.
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where names need to be different to
avoid conflicts such as package names or DNS domain names, but similar
scenarios ("I'm doing development") applied to different aspects of a
Python environment. Of course it is natural to use a phrase like
arlier variable, and on exiting the scrope
the common "err" variable is False again, indicating no error. Really
irritating.
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>>> def f(x):
... try:
... 1/0
... except Exception as x:
... pass
... return x
...
>>> f(3)
Traceback (most recent call last):
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On 14Sep2020 18:17, Terry Reedy wrote:
>On 9/14/2020 5:25 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>On 14Sep2020 01:16, Ned Deily wrote:
>>>>I'll make some PRs. How to submit? Here, or a BPO or something?
>>>
>>>My suggestion would be to open one BPO issue for &quo
On 14Sep2020 18:17, Terry Reedy wrote:
>On 9/14/2020 5:25 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>On 14Sep2020 01:16, Ned Deily wrote:
>>>My suggestion would be to open one BPO issue for "adding PEP
>>>references to documentation" and then creating PRs as needed
the devguide has the details including for the inline markup role :pep:.
>
>https://devguide.python.org/documenting/#rest-inline-markup
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>> As a concrete example, for __length_hint__ and operator.length_hint,
>> I
>> wish that in addition to saying "New in version 3.4", it also said
>> &quo
also said
"specified by PEP424 [link]", since I had to go find that with a search
engine to understand the rationale.
Would PRs with such patches be welcome?
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, I'd like to know how this might affect try/except setups,
particularly ones like the above which expect to catch a class of error
and differentiate amongst them.
I am not against the issue suggest though.
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On 24May2020 14:59, Gregory P. Smith wrote:
Sounds like a n
to have a personal dislike for me, and I'm fearing
something similar may be at play for you.
Again, my apologies to other list members.
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On 14Apr2020 23:08, Glenn Linderman wrote:
On 4/14/2020 10:09 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Like many others, I recently implemented one of these
__getattr__+__getitem__ SimpleNamespaces. I'm hacking on some
mappings which map dotted-names to values. So the natural
implementation is dicts
ule seems... clunky.
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length of their regexp, not their config file order of appearance. That
way lies (and, indeeed, lay) madness.
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erate my huge -1 on "trim" because it will confuse every PHP user
who comes to us from the dark side. Over there "trim" means what our
"strip" means.
I've got (differing) opinions about the others, but "trim" is a big one
to me.
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On 26Mar2020 00:35, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
26.03.20 00:08, Cameron Simpson пише:
I think a more "Python normal" module might have multiple enum
classes, maybe with overlapping names.
Do you have any examples of more "Python normal" modules?
Unfortunately no becaus
odule name back from __str__ I'd be underwhelmed.
I think I'd at least like the behaviour switchable in some way.
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is the only way for the caller to have a predictable policy.
As a diversion, _are_ there use cases where an empty affix is useful or
reasonable or likely?
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are quite different, which is the basis of my personal
dislike of reusing the word "strip". Just extending "strip()" with a
funky new affix mode would be even worse, since it can _still_ be
misleading if the caller omited the special mode.
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carded, and it is clearly different from
"strip".
Please, NO. "trim" is a VERY well known PHP function, and does what our
strip does. I've very against this (otherwise fine) word for this
reason.
I still prefer "cut",
On 21Mar2020 14:40, Eric V. Smith wrote:
On 3/21/2020 2:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
If you want to know whether a prefix/suffix was removed, there's a
more
reliable way than identity and a cheaper way than O(N) equality. Just
compare the length of the string before and after. If the lengths
rning the same reference as one is given seems nearly the easiest
thing a function can ever do.
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Aye.
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them. I know
I've written such a thing for myself:
https://pypi.org/project/cs.csvutils/
I entirely agree this would be easier to find and use in the stdlib. And
mine is probably overfeatured and underclean for use in the stdlib.
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On 13Sep2019 09:31, Matt Billenstein wrote:
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 08:37:26AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 10Sep2019 10:42, Daniel Holth wrote:
[...]
> I stopped using Python 3 after learning about str(bytes) by finding it
> in
> my corrupted database. [...]
Could you ou
On 10Sep2019 10:42, Daniel Holth wrote:
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I stopped using Python 3 after learning about str(bytes) by finding it
in
my corrupted database. [...]
Could you outline how this happened to you?
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On 01Apr2019 09:12, Steve Dower wrote:
On 30Mar2019 1130, Gregory P. Smith wrote:
I wouldn't expect it to be the case in a CI environment but I
believe a umask can be overridden if the filesystem is mounted
directory containing
the test tar file? If that works then you don't need any nasty
privileged sudo use (which will just break on platforms without sudo
anyway).
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On 3/25/2019 12:27 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I was thinking about IDLE and its tangled web of circular inports,
but I am now convinced that this change will not affect it. Indeed,
idlelib/pyshell.py already implements idea of the proposal, ending
-m module itself, I don't think there should be any other
direct effect on circular imports.
Did you have a specific scenario in mind?
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game may already be overin that case for other reasons).
However, I wanted to make the point that the security issue isn't around
creation but use - trusting the mktemp pathname to be the same state as
it was earlier.
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write code like that but I've certainly seen it
advocated.
I think the rationale was that it places the comparison value foremost in one's
mind, versus the name being tested. I'm not persuaded, but it is another
subjective situation.
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in the usual case
but (often subtly) breaks in some unusual case can be hard to debug, because
(a) recognising the salient error situation may be hard to do and (b) reasoning
about the failure is difficult when the language semantics are not what you
thought they were.
I think the two situati
tes objects and a preprimed source of
crypto bytes, yield encrypted versions of the bytes objects.
'''
for bs in byteses:
cbs = crypto_source.next_bytes(len(bs))
yield bs ^ cbs
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To illustrate, there's a consumer rights TV snow here with a segment
called F.U. Tube, where members of the public describe ripoffs and
other product failures in video form. While a phonetic play
a phonetic play on the name YouTube, the
abbreviation also colloquially means just what you think it might. I can just
imagine reciting one of these new strings out loud...
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People shouldn't be allowed to build overpasses ...
- Dianne I know what's best
not sure you need a Sender: (though it wouldn't hurt), given that the From:
is already a system like address (report@) and not a forged From: eg
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu as a mailing list would do.
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On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 06:08:30PM -0400, Terry Reedy
, too.
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source interpreter. Clearly I have not paid attention.
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Yes, sometimes Perl looks like line-noise to the uninitiated, but to the
seasoned Perl programmer, it looks like checksummed line
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conclude that this language as a tool is an open invitation for clever
tricks; and while exactly this may be the explanation for some of its appeal,
/viz./ to those who like to show how clever
, this is to be expected.
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And there are definitely some .webm files on some websites I support.
Can't say if they're more common in terms of hard data though. But if most
browsers expect them, arguably we should recognise their existence.
Usual disclaimer: I am not a python-dev.
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Changing it can easily have unwanted (and invisible until breakage becomes
glaring) side effects.
-1 on this element from me I'm afraid.
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I couldn't think of anything else to do with it, so I put it on the web
to this
vulnerability is a bash-ism.
IIRC you could export functions in ksh. Or maybe only aliases. But that implies
most POSIX shells may support it.
I've never seen the point myself; it is not a feature I've ever needed.
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Follow! But! Follow only if ye be men
, Python's subprocess has its `shell` argument default to
False. However, `os.system` invokes the shell implicitly and is
therefore a possible attack vector.
Only if /bin/sh is bash :-) Not always the case, fortunately.
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Death is life's way of telling you
scripts.
Your cable/adsl modem? Probably an embedded Linux box, possibly using bash, and
certainly a dhcp client of the ISP. Better still, for many people that same
comprimisable modem is the DHCP _server_ for their home LAN...
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On 25Sep2014 21:30, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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Your cable/adsl modem? Probably an embedded Linux box, possibly using
bash, and certainly a dhcp client of the ISP. Better still, for many
people that same comprimisable modem is the DHCP
.
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And of course most want to write code, not sysadm.
I do both. Happy to help in a small way if wanted.
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The bytes in some arbitrary encoding where at least the slash character
(and
maybe a couple others) is ascii compatible notion is completely bogus.
There's only one special byte
Nick's characterisation of POSIX as broken. It's perfectly
internally consistent. It just doesn't match what he wants. (Indeed, what I
want, and I'm a long time UNIX fanboy.)
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Me too. I'm against iteritems and friends coming back.
I've been burned in the past with the burden of writing a mapping class with
the many methods
,
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On 22Feb2014 17:56, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
Please let me know if anything else needs tweaking.
[...]
This area of programming is characterized
? Curious.
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16 October. I also asked Anthea how many mature oaks she thought it
would have taken to build a top-of-the-line ship in Nelson's day. She
guessed ten. The astonishing answer (from Brewer's) is about 3,500 -
900 acres of oak forest. She said, I
that
comes to mind is syslog packets.
I agree %a invites data mangling.
One would hope it doesn't see use in wire protocols, only in debugging
scenarios. Regrettably, syslog is such a binary logging protocol,
purportedly for text.
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We had the experience
be blatant.
Otherwise I think the PEP is clear and reasonable.
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appropriate as the underlying storage for a sound sample
or image file.
Virtual subclass ASCIIStructuredBytes
Possible alternate title:
Common use case: bytes containing text sequences, especially ASCII
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if the (default) encoding is None when an encoding became needed.
Just my 2c on Brett's EIBTI vs PBP divide. I'll try to stay off
this thread now and bikeshed only in the others...
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But blip it thrice, and you've sinned once
On 11Jan2014 13:15, Juraj Sukop juraj.su...@gmail.com wrote:
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data = b' '.join( bytify( [ 10, 0, obj, binary_image_data, ... ] ) )
Thanks for the suggestion! The problem with bytify is that some items
might require
facilities
might suit your needs.
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On 03Dec2013 08:25, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
I would be rather worried about some accidental Trojen running that way.
Or even just a badly framed clean-up-temp-files step.
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manual, n.:
A unit of documentation. There are always three or more
; primarily security in the older RHEL streams). So
of course the Python dates to the time of the release.
I install a current Python 2.7 into /usr/local on many RHEL boxes
and target that for custom code.
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There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable
,
if the reporting raises an exception (especially an expectable
one like unicode coding/decoding errors), the reporting should have
at least a layer of ouch, report failed, try something uglier but
more conservative. At least you'd know there had been a failure.
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This is useful when.
I had trouble with the end. How about:
or it is not in __class__.__dict__
Do I misunderstand?
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