even be beneficial to wrap those
up in a separate library, but at the very least it will help prove out that
PEP 543 can do the most important things that developers will want it to
do. If that already exists and I'm just ignorant of it, sorry for the noise.
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From what I read in the thread, it didn't seem like anyone here was
too worried about it. Does this new research change anything?
Not really. It's actually somewhat behind previous work in that it
doesn't exploit the timing deltas, just generates very large ones.
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for the howto.
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a lot of code out there that would benefit from this.
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at [1] and would love it if some of you
guys would take a look, let me know what you like/don't like, and
maybe even post a few of your pet projects or pet peeves.
Thanks for your time and effort,
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, but seriously-
does this strike you as the best response to a widespread problem?
You're basically telling people to get lost, and in all caps no less.
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On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Laurens Van Houtvenl...@laurensvh.be
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snip
What is true
that accurate results are what you're after.
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:12 AM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz
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On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
[snip]
First off, unless you have a lot of information I don't, there's no
reason
it
on hg.python.org.
Georg
Huge +1 from me- I think this would be an excellent development.
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PS- this should not be taken as an endorsement of the original
proposal, I simply don't use 2.x anymore and don't have an opinion on
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because it doesn't lose precision when
building-up the intermediate sums).
Can you give some other examples? Sage does some of this and I
frequently find it annoying, actually, but I'm not sure if you're
referring to the same things there.
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Seems like python.org has gone down and come back up a couple of times
in the last few minutes, is this intentional?
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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Am 08.10.2010 00:00, schrieb geremy condra:
Seems like python.org has gone down and come back up a couple of times
in the last few minutes, is this intentional?
Nothing on python.org suggests that this has actually
.
shrug chalk it up to a mystery of the internet, I guess. It still
seems strange to me that two people would get the same behavior so far
away from each other and not have it be on that end though.
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commitments.
Extremely well put. Could this kind of process be put in place for the
code sprints Jesse's interested in? Seems like an ideal testbed.
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Sure, but I say always turn it on under py-debug.
This would be a big +1 from me.
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in implementing #2 that would
still need to be resolved if that option is chosen.
What's the issue, if you don't mind me asking?
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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
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I ran some statistics on the number of times modules out of the stdlib
got imported a few months ago and came up with a reasonably
comprehensive
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:06:29 pm geremy condra wrote:
I ran some statistics on the number of times modules out of the
stdlib got imported a few months ago
What do those statistics measure?
The number of individual
, but maybe not as many people as you
think. How many projects in pypi provide unittests? That's at least
more tests to add to the ones already being run in the stdlib.
-Devin
Make it automatic and I can probably get some machines put on the job.
I don't have a lot of time to devote, though.
Geremy
of different problems. Having said that, I'm only
volunteering firepower, so don't interpret this as trying to push this
on you guys if you don't want it.
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imports respectively.
If it doesn't annoy I can post the whole list, or email it privately
to the interested.
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are working on making the
switch automatic.
I think we've talked briefly about this before, but let me reiterate
that getting this right from a security point of view is quite a bit
harder than it at first appears, and IMHO it is worth getting right.
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geremy condra, 26.07.2010 16:29:
I've noticed that I don't have a lot of success in shifting this kind
of debate, so I'm not sure it's a good idea to publicly discuss
vulnerabilities in something that may wind up being
inconsistent about
allowing it through. Of course, if you feel like it does and you
decide to let it through anyway, I think it would be worth explaining
really well why exactly that happened.
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and rants and raves, he's a volunteer too, he
does a ton of work that nobody else has stepped up to do, and IMO
we're very lucky to have him doing it.
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Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
(This seems to me like an area where a judicious application of PSF
funds might help; if every
single bug
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12 2010, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:20:49 -0400
Kurt B. Kaiser k...@shore.net wrote:
I'm mystified about the comments that the GUI is ugly. It is minimal.
On XP, it looks exactly like an XP
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No offense, but I've been specifically asked not to do demos with IDLE
because it looked 'unprofessional'. Given the constraint of working
within tkinter that may not be something
.
I'm mulling over starting a monthly triage sprint under the auspices of
Jesse Noeller's PSF sponsored sprints in the hopes of making this a
little more fun. I'd appreciate comments on the idea.
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Guido proposes to give someone interested in IDLE commit access
audience for this, there are a lot
of things I'd like to see more in the stdlib than a second re engine.
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that situation should continue.
Amen. I've heard about people being told not to use python3 on the
irc *way* too many times for it to be all make believe.
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On Jun 19, 2010, at 5:39 PM, geremy condra wrote:
Bottom line, what I'd really like to do is kick them all off of #python,
This is so profoundly wrong on so many levels it is hard to know how to
respond
people; also, wouldn't it be sensible for users in
a corporate environment to share their efforts and produce something
that can benefit all of them? it's the free software spirit after all)
Not in a corporate environment, but I would gladly help with this.
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would focus attention
on the need to port those libraries which were a part of it to python3,
which would help to weaken the argument that there aren't any packages
written for it.
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python core devs to shoulder the maintenance burden.
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Specialised distributions are another matter - I can see a web stack
distribution comprising your TurboGears example (or should it be
Django, or...?). Enthought essentially do
in depth there),
but I think Michael and I mean similar things.
- Yaniv
I don't think I'm understanding you correctly in that thread then, ISTM
that you're advocating better packaging systems as an alternative to
this. Would you mind clarifying?
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.
If there are implementation bugs then we can fix them just like we would
with any other module.
Guido made exactly the opposite argument during his keynote at PyCon.
It seemed fairly reasonable at the time- why do you think it doesn't apply
here?
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hard pressed to see a case where this would be needed and
could not be trivially written.
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the expertise to do this, but I'll be playing with the
patch over the next few weeks, so if there's a specific piece of
data you want, let me know.
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and x) and it
only got one (self).
I understand the confusion (and was bitten by it myself when I
was a newbie) but the interpreter is only telling you the truth.
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a keyword
argument. Passing both places and delta would be an error (TypeError).
Anyway, unless there are strenuous objections I intend to do this.
All the best,
Michael
+1, this would be very helpful to me.
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-putting. He has
been told this and acknowledged it once on Python-list, but habits die hard.
For both reasons, I suggested a few days ago that further discussion should
focus on the patch and be moved to the issue on the tracker. So I will not
say more here.
Terry Jan Reedy
Excellently put.
Geremy
for the indefinite future. It gives a fixed, known
schedule for when new features will be permitted, without the
uncertainty of at the BDFL's pleasure.
--
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FWIW, I view a definite end point as a definite plus.
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:14:59 am Steven D'Aprano wrote:
At the very least, I
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I quote:
This PEP proposes a temporary moratorium (suspension) of all changes
to the Python language syntax, semantics, and built-ins for a period
way?
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Perhaps my test is flawed in some way?
Yes: you're testing the speed of something that makes absolutely no sense to
do in a tight loop, so *who the heck cares how fast any way
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.. and x
in the docs that illustrates the preferred idiom
would be great. Is there any kind of consensus on either point?
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to py3k.
Now there's a good Summer of Code project: to produce a pre-processor that
will flag all C constructs that need to be modified in some way, with direct
pointers to the relevant documentation, and code suggestions wherever
practicable.
S
How much interest is there in this?
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?
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This is effectively the sandbox idea I proposed, except with backporting.
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I've said exactly that in the moratorium
discussion.
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value if not found.
The other, set.get(), doesn't have a key to lookup.
set.getone() then ?
ugh- other spellings much preferred.
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the implementations won't have much in common: (1)
should just pick the first valid element, while (2) should use the
normal hash lookup algorithm (shared with 'in', .add() etc.).
--
--Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
Was it ever decided whether this would fall under the moratorium?
Geremy
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Was it ever decided whether this would fall under the moratorium?
Decided isn't the right word:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-October/093373.html
snip
I'm unclear- does that imply
?
Raymond
Next version of Graphine will use them heavily for graph
merges and set operations on graphs.
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following the discussion, but I wouldn't expect that
a moratorium on language changes would rule out adding a method to the
set type.
Regards,
Martin
My understanding is that the moratorium would preclude changes to
the builtins. Is that not the case here?
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