Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 07:28:24PM -0600, average wrote: As to your question of how best to handle inquiries from the blue or noisy questions, I personally prefer the following (only slightly tongue-in-cheek): ...After a sufficient period of waiting, say a day or two with no response:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Oleg Broytman writes: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 07:28:24PM -0600, average wrote: As to your question of how best to handle inquiries from the blue or noisy questions, I personally prefer the following (only slightly tongue-in-cheek): ...After a sufficient period of waiting, say a

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 06:02:33PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Oleg Broytman writes: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 07:28:24PM -0600, average wrote: As to your question of how best to handle inquiries from the blue or noisy questions, I personally prefer the following (only slightly

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:02:33 pm Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: OTOH I think as quick as possible an answer is a good idea here. It saves the intended audience the thought about whether to reply or not, and an instant, constructive answer says that somebody cares. +1 I think that waiting a day

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread average
  ...After a sufficient period of waiting, say a day or two with no response:        Ok, I'll wait a bit longer. I don't think that's a good idea. My bad, I really only meant a sufficient delay to allow the possibility of an interested party replying. I actually figured about a day.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/22/2010 3:29 PM, average wrote: Speacking of etiquette, it is traditional to use real names in the from field on pydev. It will get you more attention and respect. A reference or link to ESR's How to Ask Questions The Smart Way (http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) is a pretty

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/22/2010 8:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:02:33 pm Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: OTOH I think as quick as possible an answer is a good idea here. It saves the intended audience the thought about whether to reply or not, and an instant, constructive answer says that

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 22/07/2010 23:25, Terry Reedy wrote: On 7/22/2010 8:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:02:33 pm Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: OTOH I think as quick as possible an answer is a good idea here. It saves the intended audience the thought about whether to reply or not, and an

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info writes: We don't need to make excuses for why we don't give the answer here. It's enough to give the reason -- it's off-topic for this list, which is about the development of Python. That and a pointer to the right list is, in my opinion, all we need to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:59:32 am Ben Finney wrote: Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info writes: We don't need to make excuses for why we don't give the answer here. It's enough to give the reason -- it's off-topic for this list, which is about the development of Python. That and a pointer

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
No, the reply is fine as far as it goes, and I am sure the poster did get a reply from c.l.py, but his question revealed a thirst for knowledge not usually evidenced in non-dev inquiries. Unfortunately (?) the question also revealed a lack of understanding of a fairly basic concept. IIUC, he

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread Reid Kleckner
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Unfortunately (?) the question also revealed a lack of understanding of a fairly basic concept. IIUC, he wanted to know how Python handles SIGKILL, when the hole point of SIGKILL is that you cannot handle it. So he

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread average
1. I suggested one improvement to the canned response in my previous post: expand 'using' to 'using or understanding'.   I changed wording to if you're having problems learning, understanding or using Python I think it's critical to disambiguate between questions about using and programming

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread Greg Ewing
On 21/07/10 23:43, Martin v. Löwis wrote: IIUC, he wanted to know how Python handles SIGKILL, when the hole point of SIGKILL is that you cannot handle it. No, I think he wanted to know how Python disallows attempting to set a handler for SIGKILL, when he couldn't find any code that

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:08:00PM -0600, average wrote: Wha? How could this not be the right place? He's not asking about USING python, but asking: WHERE in the PYTHON CODE BASE does the signal get checked? A-bit-miffed-at-the-cold-shoulderly yours, Marcos (wink wink) I know, the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Steve Holden
On 7/20/2010 11:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:08:00PM -0600, average wrote: Wha? How could this not be the right place? He's not asking about USING python, but asking: WHERE in the PYTHON CODE BASE does the signal get checked? A-bit-miffed-at-the-cold-shoulderly

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote: ..   I know, the task of sending answers like I've sent is quite unappreciated. I know, the meaning of my answer is rude because, in short, it's simply Please, go away, and however I stress the please part it's still go away.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/20/2010 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: I know, the task of sending answers like I've sent is quite unappreciated. *I* appreciate it. I mostly do not respond to such because I expect you or Aahz will. I know, the meaning of my answer is rude because, in short, it's simply Please,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-20 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 01:51:07PM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: On 7/20/2010 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: 1. I suggested one improvement to the canned response in my previous post: expand 'using' to 'using or understanding'. I changed wording to if you're having problems learning,