Re: [Python-Dev] Single Sign-On for *.python.org

2009-01-18 Thread Ben Finney
authentication to participate in the discussion forums. -- \ “The truth is the most valuable thing we have. Let us economize | `\ it.” —Mark Twain, _Following the Equator_ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Single Sign-On for *.python.org

2009-01-18 Thread Ben Finney
. So, no patches were forthcoming from me on that. -- \ “An eye for an eye would make the whole world blind.” —Mahatma | `\Gandhi | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Questions/comments on documentation formatting

2009-01-19 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Questions/comments on documentation formatting

2009-01-19 Thread Ben Finney
to this headline” link. Perhaps a bug report to the Docutils folks is in order. -- \ “Nature is trying very hard to make us succeed, but nature does | `\ not depend on us. We are not the only experiment.” —Richard | _o__) Buckminster Fuller, 1978-04-30 | Ben

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker cleanup - Roundup hacking report :)

2009-03-10 Thread Ben Finney
Daniel (ajax) Diniz aja...@gmail.com writes: Feedback on meta-tracker open issues, as well as new RFEs and replies to tracker-discuss threads should make the tracker meeting your needs a bit more likely :) Thank you for URL:http://issues.roundup-tracker.org/issue2550523. I have wanted to

Re: [Python-Dev] Formatting mini-language suggestion

2009-03-11 Thread Ben Finney
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[Python-Dev] Daemon process context as a ‘with ’ context manager (was: PEP 377 - allow __enter __() methods to skip the statement body)

2009-03-16 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Daemon process context as a ‘with ’ context manager

2009-03-17 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: James Pye li...@jwp.name writes: with daemonized(): run_some_subprocess() This use case is addressed by my up-coming PEP, currently in draft form but submitted to the PEP editor. A reference implementation is at URL:http://pypi.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Replace MS Windows Console with Unicode UI

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
for this purpose. -- \ “For my birthday I got a humidifier and a de-humidifier. I put | `\ them in the same room and let them fight it out.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Integrate BeautifulSoup into stdlib?

2009-03-24 Thread Ben Finney
that the | `\ mind is repelled.” —John Kenneth Galbraith, _Money: Whence It | _o__) Came, Where It Went_, 1975 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

2009-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

2009-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney bignose+hates-s...@benfinney.id.au writes: And the often-obscured community: those who desperately want the Python stuff to just behave the same way everything else on their system does, i.e. be managed approrpiately by the operating system package manager. A Python-specific

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

2009-03-27 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] UnicodeDecodeError bug in distutils

2009-04-02 Thread Ben Finney
is the prognosis on this issue? It's still hitting me in Python 2.5.4. -- \ “Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except | `\for that rare story of which you happen to have first-hand | _o__) knowledge.” —Erwin Knoll | Ben

Re: [Python-Dev] Going offline for three months

2009-04-03 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] UnicodeDecodeError bug in distutils

2009-04-04 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: Phillip J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com writes: Meanwhile, the 'register' command accepts Unicode, but is broken in handling it. […] Unfortunately, this isn't fixable until there's a new 2.5.x release. For previous Python versions, both

Re: [Python-Dev] UnicodeDecodeError bug in distutils

2009-04-04 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: Is there an open bug tracker issue with more information? Answer: URL:http://bugs.python.org/issue2562. Apparently the issue is resolved URL:http://bugs.python.org/msg72385 for Python 2.6. I will need to wait for my distribution to catch up before I

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-06 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-07 Thread Ben Finney
no format common to all. -- \ “We should strive to do things in [Gandhi's] spirit… not to use | `\ violence in fighting for our cause, but by non-participation in | _o__) what we believe is evil.” —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney

[Python-Dev] Location of OS-installed versus Python-installed libraries (was: Proposed: add an environment variable, PYTHONPREFIXES)

2009-04-23 Thread Ben Finney
to be wrong | `\ with the majority than to be right alone.” —John Kenneth | _o__)Galbraith, 1989-07-28 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] Oddity PEP 0 key

2009-05-02 Thread Ben Finney
| `\ so too.” —Voltaire, _Essay On Tolerance_ | _o__) | Ben Finney pgpFAljzQLkSS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] question about docstring formatting

2009-05-28 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Survey on DVCS usage and experience

2009-05-28 Thread Ben Finney
the wrong road you've gone, turn back.” | `\ —Turkish proverb | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

[Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool (was: Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr))

2009-06-03 Thread Ben Finney
participants are hosed. Neither of these problems exist with email (or NNTP). -- \ “Well, my brother says Hello. So, hooray for speech therapy.” | `\ —Emo Philips | _o__) | Ben

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: Ben Finney wrote: I watched [the Google Wave presentation] too. It appears to be heavily reliant on *very* fast internet access for participants in a wave. That's far from universal in the Python community, let alone the internet at large. Even

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: Even a slow connection would make participation in PEPs better than today. How can you know that? A slow link doesn't punish email or NNTP communication the way an interactive web application does. Strike

Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup improvements use-cases

2009-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
in | `\ *theory*?” —anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup improvements use-cases

2009-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376

2009-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
installation. -- \ “I think it would be a good idea.” —Mahatma Gandhi (when asked | `\ what he thought of Western civilization) | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376

2009-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com writes: 2009/7/2 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au: I think that calling distutils an “install program” is confusing. When I discuss distutils, I don't call it a program at all; it's a library (or perhaps “framework”) that provides part of the job

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 and PEP 302 - allowing import hooks to provide distribution metadata

2009-07-05 Thread Ben Finney
for expressing them. -- \ “We are not gonna be great; we are not gonna be amazing; we are | `\ gonna be *amazingly* amazing!” —Zaphod Beeblebrox, _The | _o__)Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy_, Douglas Adams | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 and PEP 302 - allowing import hooks to provide distribution metadata

2009-07-06 Thread Ben Finney
and down and run around yelling and screaming. | _o__) They don't know I'm only using blanks.” —Emo Philips | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 - Open questions

2009-07-07 Thread Ben Finney
they'd | _o__) never expect it.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 and PEP 302 - allowing import hooks to provide distribution metadata

2009-07-07 Thread Ben Finney
, and everything in my apartment has | `\ been stolen and replaced with an exact replica.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove site-packages?!?

2009-07-22 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

2009-07-23 Thread Ben Finney
. -- \ “There's no excuse to be bored. Sad, yes. Angry, yes. | `\Depressed, yes. Crazy, yes. But there's no excuse for boredom, | _o__) ever.” —Viggo Mortensen | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

2009-07-23 Thread Ben Finney
)will play itself.” —Johann Sebastian Bach | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

2009-07-24 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

2009-07-24 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

2009-07-24 Thread Ben Finney
standardisation of distutils functionality. -- \“Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be | `\ over here, looking through your stuff.” —Jack Handey | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

2009-07-24 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: The functionality you often discuss around this tool would be best implemented independently of any UI. It would, in fact, be best to work with the team performing ongoing active standardisation of distutils functionality. Sloppy use of “in fact

Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

2009-07-25 Thread Ben Finney
David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net writes: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:25:27 +1000, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au You omit the important part: adding a new thing to Python *so long as it doesn't depend on anything outside Python*. I'm signing out on this silly discussion for now

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: the eol-type issue

2009-08-04 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: the eol-type issue

2009-08-05 Thread Ben Finney
Mark Hammond skippy.hamm...@gmail.com writes: On 5/08/2009 3:56 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Mark Hammondmhamm...@skippinet.com.au writes: Let's say I make a branch of the hg repo, myself and a few others work on it committing as we go, then attempt to merge back upstream. Let's say some

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: the eol-type issue

2009-08-05 Thread Ben Finney
is. -- \ “Not to perambulate the corridors in the hours of repose in the | `\ boots of ascension.” —ski hotel, Austria | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: the eol-type issue

2009-08-05 Thread Ben Finney
clearer. -- \ “First things first, but not necessarily in that order.” —The | `\ Doctor, _Doctor Who_ | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Python mail-to-news gateway status

2009-08-11 Thread Ben Finney
Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org writes: On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Ben Finney wrote: I ask because I haven't seen any messages reach the ‘comp.lang.python’ Usenet group since this report. Is that related? Hmm, if you're getting this message then mailing lists should be working. I don't

[Python-Dev] Issue 1170: Unicode for ‘shlex ’

2009-08-21 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 1170: Unicode for ‘shlex ’

2009-08-22 Thread Ben Finney
procedure. -- \ “We spend the first twelve months of our children's lives | `\ teaching them to walk and talk and the next twelve years | _o__) telling them to sit down and shut up.” —Phyllis Diller | Ben Finney ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3144: IP Address Manipulation Library for the Python Standard Library

2009-08-26 Thread Ben Finney
nothing to hope for.” —restaurant menu, | `\ Switzerland | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] OT : Cannot login to PyPI using MyOpenId

2009-09-03 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] OT : Cannot login to PyPI using MyOpenId

2009-09-03 Thread Ben Finney
be interested to know. -- \“If you can't hear me sometimes, it's because I'm in | `\ parentheses.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Warnings

2011-12-07 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] [PATCH] Adding braces to __future__

2011-12-09 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] [PATCH] Adding braces to __future__

2011-12-10 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 7 clarification request: braces

2012-01-01 Thread Ben Finney
mystery. God is always invented to | `\ explain those things that you do not understand.” —Richard P. | _o__)Feynman, 1988 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 7 clarification request: braces

2012-01-03 Thread Ben Finney
as with some absolute metric. The contributor's discretion must yield. +1 -- \ “Those who write software only for pay should go hurt some | `\ other field.” —Erik Naggum, in _gnu.misc.discuss_ | _o__) | Ben

Re: [Python-Dev] Volunteer

2012-02-05 Thread Ben Finney
it to that? -- \“I washed a sock. Then I put it in the dryer. When I took it | `\ out, it was gone.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] best place for an atomic file API

2012-02-15 Thread Ben Finney
, and | `\ more about adding life to years.” —Arthur C. Clarke, 2001 | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Python-Dev] best place for an atomic file API

2012-02-15 Thread Ben Finney
Brian Curtin br...@python.org writes: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 19:19, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Charles-François Natali neolo...@free.fr writes: […] using rename() on POSIX systems and MoveFileEx() on Windows (which are now available through os.replace()). It would also

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 410 (Decimal timestamp): the implementation is ready for a review

2012-02-15 Thread Ben Finney
in again. -- \ “Why should I care about posterity? What's posterity ever done | `\for me?” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 410 (Decimal timestamp): the implementation is ready for a review

2012-02-18 Thread Ben Finney
? Killing myself is the last thing I'd ever do.” | `\—Homer, _The Simpsons_ | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 misnaming

2012-03-14 Thread Ben Finney
logical operators bind at lower priority than the equality operator. -- \ “If you do not trust the source do not use this program.” | `\—Microsoft Vista security dialogue | _o__) | Ben

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-21 Thread Ben Finney
, because later you might think you're having a | _o__) good idea but it's just eggs hatching.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs

2012-03-24 Thread Ben Finney
for one minority over others. -- \ “Come on Milhouse, there’s no such thing as a soul! It’s just | `\ something they made up to scare kids, like the Boogie Man or | _o__) Michael Jackson.” —Bart, _The Simpsons_ | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs, iteration 2

2012-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
desires.” —Susan Brownell Anthony, 1896 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs, iteration 2

2012-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
complaints are justified? -- \“… Nature … is seen to do all things herself and through | `\ herself of own accord, rid of all gods.” —Titus Lucretius | _o__) Carus, c. 40 BCE | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Using Cython for developing a module to be used from postgreSQL/pl/python

2012-03-31 Thread Ben Finney
) direction.” —Alvin Toffler | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] netiquette on py-dev

2012-04-24 Thread Ben Finney
their message appeared. So, no need to send them another copy individually. -- \ “There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority | `\ assailed by truth.” —John Kenneth Galbraith, 1989-07-28 | _o__) | Ben

Re: [Python-Dev] netiquette on py-dev

2012-04-25 Thread Ben Finney
to “Reply to list” when appropriate is acceptable to me. -- \ “Don't you try to outweird me, I get stranger things than you | `\ free with my breakfast cereal.” —Zaphod Beeblebrox, _The | _o__)Restaurant At The End Of The Universe_, Douglas Adams | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Open PEPs and large-scale changes for 3.3

2012-05-01 Thread Ben Finney
-altering drug is truth.” —Jane Wagner, via Lily | `\Tomlin | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] TZ-aware local time

2012-06-06 Thread Ben Finney
) _Following the Equator_ | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Open PEPs and large-scale changes for 3.3

2012-06-06 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net writes: list of possible features for 3.3 as specified by PEP 398: Candidate PEPs: […] * PEP 3143: Standard daemon process library Our porting work will not be done in time for Python 3.3. I will update

Re: [Python-Dev] TZ-aware local time

2012-06-11 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] TZ-aware local time

2012-06-11 Thread Ben Finney
Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org writes: On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Unambiguous storage of absolute time can be achieved with POSIX timestamps, but that is certainly not the only nor best way to do it. For example, RFC 5322

Re: [Python-Dev] how to easily consume just the parts of eggs that are good for you

2008-04-08 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] how to easily consume just the parts of eggs that are good for you

2008-04-09 Thread Ben Finney
| `\not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true.” | _o__) —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] shal we redefine module and package?

2008-04-30 Thread Ben Finney
that is currently entrenched in existing Python documentation and minds :-) -- \Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code | `\ will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live. —John | _o__) F. Woods | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
. -- \ “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” | `\ —Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
Antoine Pitrou [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben Finney bignose+hates-spam at benfinney.id.au writes: That would better be written (preferring PEP 8 names) fail_unless_equal. Which is still a double negative (fail and unless are both negative words). Hmm, not to this native-English

[Python-Dev] PEP 8 conformance of unittest (was: unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses)

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
that includes we have a plan to make 'unittest' conform with the existing PEP 8. -- \“Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?” “Umm, I think | `\ so, Brain, but three men in a tub? Ooh, that's unsanitary!” | _o__) —_Pinky and The Brain_ | Ben

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 conformance of unittest

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
to get rid of it.” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
not as an | `\ affirmation, but as a question.” —Niels Bohr | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben Finney wrote: The problem is, that makes it quite inconsistent with other not uses (such as assert_not_equal, assert_not_in, etc.) I would really prefer that all these not uses be gramatically consistent for predictability. Is this a case where

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben Finney wrote: and so on; i.e. that 'assert_is_not' breaks the obvious pattern set by the others, in the interest of matching Python's 'is not' grammar. Well, I'd have said in the interest of reading correctly in English, though I have

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
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[Python-Dev] PEP: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest` module

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
:PEP: XXX :Title: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest` module :Version: 0.0 :Last-Modified: 2008-07-14 :Author:Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Status:Draft :Type: Standards Track :Content-Type: test/x-rst :Created: 2008-07-14 :Post

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest` module

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use new-style classes throughout The following classes will inherit explicitly from the built-in `object` type, to make all classes

[Python-Dev] PEP: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest` module (updated 2008-07-15)

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
:Version: 0.0 :Last-Modified: 2008-07-15 :Author:Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Status:Draft :Type: Standards Track :Content-Type: test/x-rst :Created: 2008-07-14 :Python-Version:2.7, 3.1 :Post-History: .. contents:: Abstract

[Python-Dev] Default metaclass in Python 3.0 modules (was: PEP: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest` module (updated 2008-07-15))

2008-07-15 Thread Ben Finney
Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The `unittest` module will gain the following attribute, to set the default metaclass for classes in the module and thus make all classes in the module part of the new-style

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest`module (updated 2008-07-15)

2008-07-15 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Default metaclass in Python 3.0 modules

2008-07-15 Thread Ben Finney
Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben Finney wrote: Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Line 94-95 in unittest.py (trunk): # All classes defined herein are 'new-style' classes, allowing use of 'super()' __metaclass__ = type Hmm, you're right; I see that in Python 2.5.2

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest` module (updated 2008-07-15)

2008-07-15 Thread Ben Finney
Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben Finney writes: Removal of ``assert*`` names There is no overwhelming consensus on whether to remove the ``assert*`` names or the ``fail*`` names; 7 to 1 is overwhelming in my book. See Message

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Consolidating names and classes in the `unittest`module (updated 2008-07-15)

2008-07-15 Thread Ben Finney
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