Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-30 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Chris Angelico writes: > Have you ever actually convinced someone to move off Gmail onto > some other client? No, but then, I never tried. I have gotten a couple score people to seriously try about a dozen different MUAs over the last three decades though. It's not impossible. But that's

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-30 Thread Brett Cannon
I think this thread has gone off-topic as this mailing list is not about Gmail (the client or the service). ;) On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:21 AM Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:41 PM Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 02:23:52PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:20:41PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > In those terms, I'm talking about convincing someone to move off the > _Gmail client_, whether or not they continue using the Gmail service. > Have you ever convinced someone to stop using the Gmail web interface > and start using

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:41 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 02:23:52PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > Have you ever actually > > convinced someone to move off Gmail onto some other client? > > Gmail is an email provider with a web interface. As a provider, it is >

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Without getting into the pros and cons of mailing lists versus github versus discourse versus Stackoverflow versus ... On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 02:23:52PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > Have you ever actually > convinced someone to move off Gmail onto some other client? Gmail is an email

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-29 Thread Paul Moore
Bah. Tablet client defaults to reply, not reply to all... On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 08:10, Paul Moore wrote: > On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 03:25, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 2:07 PM Stephen J. Turnbull >> wrote: >> > >> > There's a big difference, though. Email users choose

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 06:43:39PM -0700, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > For example, here's a post of yours from a few weeks ago: > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2019-March/055911.html > > AFAICT, it is not possible to find that post with Google. > > For example, > doing a

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 2:07 PM Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Chris Angelico writes: > > > General principle: People who complain about email are using > > suboptimal clients, people who complain about non-email systems are > > using suboptimal services. And there's nothing that's truly

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Chris Angelico writes: > General principle: People who complain about email are using > suboptimal clients, people who complain about non-email systems are > using suboptimal services. And there's nothing that's truly optimal in > either case (some email clients do come close, but only for

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:52 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 03:25:34PM -, Richard Whitehead wrote: > > Chris, > > > > As a new member to this list, I can tell you that searching for relevant old > > content was effectively impossible, so I'm all for some way of doing

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:56 AM David Mertz wrote: > > That said, if someone writes a FAQ about this mailing list, the first answer > can be "We are not moving discussion to GitHub / Slack / Discuss / Reddit / > StackOverflow / MediaWiki / > graffiti on popular buildings / etc" > That last

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread David Mertz
Dropping the mailing list is another topic that often comes up, and is always a terrible idea. Every suggester had a different platform in mind, only consistent in all being vastly worse than email for this purpose That said, if someone writes a FAQ about this mailing list, the first answer can

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 03:25:34PM -, Richard Whitehead wrote: > Chris, > > As a new member to this list, I can tell you that searching for relevant old > content was effectively impossible, so I'm all for some way of doing that. "Effectively impossible" is a gross exaggeration. The old

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Rhodri James
On 28/03/2019 15:25, Richard Whitehead wrote: Chris, As a new member to this list, I can tell you that searching for relevant old content was effectively impossible, so I'm all for some way of doing that. Please can I make a more radical suggestion, though: Drop the mailing list. How about a

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Christopher Barker
> > there's been lots of discussion about that in the past. > Indeed. Personally, I’m all for keeping the mailing list. See past discussions for the advantage. I do think it might be a good idea to move to a gitHub repo once a topic gets past the vague idea stage to the hammer out a proposal

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Lysandros Nikolaou
Hi Richard, there's been lots of discussion about that in the past. You can check out https://discuss.python.org, which is the current most popular idea about an alternative. It has not been decided if the mailing lists will be dropped or not though, as far as I know. Lys On Thu, Mar 28, 2019

Re: [Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this

2019-03-28 Thread Richard Whitehead
Chris, As a new member to this list, I can tell you that searching for relevant old content was effectively impossible, so I'm all for some way of doing that. Please can I make a more radical suggestion, though: Drop the mailing list. How about a GitHub repo - a specific one (with no code),

[Python-ideas] New Project to Capture summaries from this list

2019-03-27 Thread Christopher Barker
Hi all, Inspired by Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer and some previous discussion son this list, I've started a project to capture some of the common threads from this list (and others). We often find ourselves saying things like "this was discussed on this list a year or so ago" when someone brings up