Re: [Python-ideas] Combine f-strings with i18n - How about using PEP 501?

2018-09-18 Thread Hans Polak
I don't see how this immediately helps the OP, who wants a *literal* expression that automatically invokes the translation machinery as well as the interpolation machinery. Actually, no, I do not want the expression to be automatically translated at compile time. It should be translated at

Re: [Python-ideas] Combine f-strings with i18n

2018-09-18 Thread Hans Polak
On 17/09/18 19:42, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > That's why I would like to see a parameter that can be passed to > the f-string. This doesn't make sense to me. If I get a request in English, I need to return English. If I get a request in French, I need to return French. # At the start of

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the namesake of the Language

2018-09-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:06:28 -0400 "Franklin? Lee" wrote: > Monty Python had the goal of making people laugh, while python-ideas > has the goal of improving Python. With those priorities, we can have > fun, but not at the expense of potential contributions and > contributors. You are right.

Re: [Python-ideas] Combine f-strings with i18n

2018-09-18 Thread Hans Polak
On 17/09/18 20:10, Eric V. Smith wrote: See also PEP 501, which could be used for i18n. My first idea was to propose a t-string (for translatable string). Cheers, Hans ___ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mike Miller writes: > A decent mail program can thread discussions and ignore the boring > ones. +100, but realistically, people aren't going to change their MUAs, especially on handhelds. The advantage of something like Discourse is that the server side controls the UX, and that's what

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Franklin? Lee
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 2:37 PM Jonathan Goble wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 2:00 PM Franklin? Lee > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:02 AM Jonathan Goble wrote: >> > >> > The biggest moderation issue I see with mailing lists is the inability to >> > lock threads and delete posts

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Jonathan Goble
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 2:00 PM Franklin? Lee wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:02 AM Jonathan Goble > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:49 AM Robert Vanden Eynde < > robertv...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> About moderation, what's the problem on the list ? > > > > > > The biggest

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Ethan Furman
On 09/18/2018 12:05 PM, Franklin? Lee wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 2:37 PM Jonathan Goble wrote: Perhaps not, but part of that might be because stopping an active >> discussion on a mailing list can be hard to do, so one might not even >> try. Some discussions, I suspect, may have gone on

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Anders Hovmöller
> But there's no evidence that such tools would help. Software > enforcement powers are only necessary if verbal enforcement isn't > enough. We need the current moderators (or just Brett) to say whether > they feel it isn't enough. These systems work radically differently. You don’t get

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Juancarlo Añez
> I propose Python register a trial of Stack Overflow Teams. Stack Overflow Teams is essentially your own private Stack Overflow. (I will address the private part later.) Proposals would be questions and additions or criticism would be answers. You can express your support or dissent of a proposal

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Franklin? Lee
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:02 AM Jonathan Goble wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:49 AM Robert Vanden Eynde > wrote: >> >> About moderation, what's the problem on the list ? > > > The biggest moderation issue I see with mailing lists is the inability to > lock threads and delete posts

[Python-ideas] An experiment migrating bug tracker to GitLab

2018-09-18 Thread Karthikeyan
PEP 581 proposes the migration of bug tracking to GitHub issues. I have done a project to collect all issues in https://bugs.python.org. I have parsed the HTML data and migrated the issues to GitLab along with labels for issues and comments which is pretty much similar to GitHub issues. I have

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread David Mertz
Since 1972, there have been hundreds of reinventions of a means of carying on electronic conversations intended to be "better than email." The one thing they all have in common is that they are vastly worse than email. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 6:04 PM Jan Claeys wrote: > On Tue, 2018-09-18 at

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Jan Claeys
On Tue, 2018-09-18 at 11:02 -0400, Jonathan Goble wrote: > The biggest moderation issue I see with mailing lists is the > inability to lock threads That actually wouldn't be hard to implement in a mailing list software as a semi-automatic moderation feature... -- Jan Claeys

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-18 Thread James Lu
> Is that really an issue here? I personally haven't seen threads where > Brett tried to stop an active discussion, but people ignored him and > kept fighting. Not personally with Brett, but I have seen multiple people try to stop the “reword or remove beautiful is better than ugly in Zen of

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-18 Thread James Lu
It would be nice if there was a guide on using Python-ideas and writing PEPs. It would make it less obscure. ___ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct:

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread David Mertz
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 8:43 PM Jan Claeys wrote: > On Tue, 2018-09-18 at 18:07 -0400, David Mertz wrote: > > Since 1972, there have been hundreds of reinventions of a means of > > carying on electronic conversations intended to be "better than > > email." The one thing they all have in common is

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-18 Thread Franklin? Lee
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:21 PM James Lu wrote: > > > Is that really an issue here? I personally haven't seen threads where > > Brett tried to stop an active discussion, but people ignored him and > > kept fighting. > Not personally with Brett, but I have seen multiple people try to stop the >

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Jan Claeys
On Tue, 2018-09-18 at 18:07 -0400, David Mertz wrote: > Since 1972, there have been hundreds of reinventions of a means of > carying on electronic conversations intended to be "better than > email." The one thing they all have in common is that they are vastly > worse than email. I don't 100%

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:21 AM James Lu wrote: > > Not personally with Brett, but I have seen multiple people try to stop the > “reword or remove beautiful is better than ugly in Zen of Python.” The > discussion was going in circles and evolved into attacking each other’s use > of logical

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:43 AM Jan Claeys wrote: > > On Tue, 2018-09-18 at 18:07 -0400, David Mertz wrote: > > Since 1972, there have been hundreds of reinventions of a means of > > carying on electronic conversations intended to be "better than > > email." The one thing they all have in common

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-18 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:05 AM James Lu wrote: > > It would be nice if there was a guide on using Python-ideas and writing PEPs. > It would make it less obscure. https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0001/ On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:17 AM Michael Selik wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:57

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Richard Damon
On 9/18/18 11:02 AM, Jonathan Goble wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:49 AM Robert Vanden Eynde > mailto:robertv...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > About moderation, what's the problem on the list ? > > > The biggest moderation issue I see with mailing lists is the inability > to lock threads and

Re: [Python-ideas] Combine f-strings with i18n - How about using PEP 501?

2018-09-18 Thread Steve Barnes
On 18/09/2018 08:59, Hans Polak wrote: > >>> I don't see how this immediately helps the OP, who wants a *literal* >>> expression that automatically invokes the translation machinery as >>> well as the interpolation machinery. > Actually, no, I do not want the expression to be automatically >

Re: [Python-ideas] Pattern Matching Syntax (reprise)

2018-09-18 Thread Robert Vanden Eynde
Needless to say it's interesting to see what others language have (pros and cons), I'm thinking about Scala for example (but I'm sure perl can show us a long list of pros and cons). Le mar. 18 sept. 2018 à 13:38, Tobias Kohn a écrit : > Hello Everyone, > > Please excuse my being late for

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Robert Vanden Eynde
As said 100 times in the list, email is powerful, configurable but needs a lot of configuration (especially hard on mobile) and has a lot of rules (don't top post, reply to the list, don't html, wait, html is alright) whereas a web based alternative is easier to grasp (more modern) but adds more

[Python-ideas] Pattern Matching Syntax (reprise)

2018-09-18 Thread Tobias Kohn
Hello Everyone, Please excuse my being late for properly responding to the last thread on "Pattern Matching Syntax" [1].  As Robert Roskam has already pointed out at the beginning of that thread, there has been much previous discussion about adding pattern matching to Python, and several

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Jonathan Goble
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:49 AM Robert Vanden Eynde wrote: > About moderation, what's the problem on the list ? > The biggest moderation issue I see with mailing lists is the inability to lock threads and delete posts (i.e. those that are spam or a Code of Conduct violation). Both of those are

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 04:48:18PM +0200, Robert Vanden Eynde wrote: > As said 100 times in the list, email is powerful, configurable but needs a > lot of configuration (especially hard on mobile) and has a lot of rules > (don't top post, reply to the list, don't html, wait, html is alright) >