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On 7/21/10 7:45 PM, John Nagle wrote:
Did class inheritance from dict work in early Python? Or did
that only start working when new objects came in?
The latter, that's why UserDict (and UserList) was added.
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facts, and conclusion are based solely on faith and unworthy of
consideration on their merits.
That, my friend, is an ad hominem attack. Hypocrite.
And you are plonked.
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about him that colors or holds meaning for
his approach?
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On 7/10/10 11:03 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jul 11, 12:51 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
You don't need to build a tuple. Just change the tests, to if
choiceIdx1 is not None. Its a little more work, sure. But its not
enough that its even vaguely worth breaking
On 7/10/10 11:50 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jul 11, 1:22 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
If you are so desperately concerned with space, then simply do:
if (choiceIdx1, choiceIdx2) != (None, None):
Its only eleven characters longer.
Or, you can do:
if None
On 7/11/10 12:30 AM, Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet wrote:
* Stephen Hansen, on 11.07.2010 09:19:
On 7/10/10 11:50 PM, rantingrick wrote:
It was a typo not an on purpose misspelling
If this had been the first time, perhaps. If you had not in *numerous*
previous times spelled my name correctly
and
rally behind*?
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great thing. I use Path Finder on the mac and have been very pleased
to figure out what.
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* Yes, I know its actually possible, to manipulate outer/calling scopes
with frame hacking. This is dangerous / bad / an implementation detail
to scope off variables as much as possible
(I believe in minimal state).
That's a fine and nice goal. In Python your only real tool for this is
to break things up into more logical functions.
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On 7/11/10 5:01 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jul 11, 11:57 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 7/11/10 9:31 AM, Thomas Jollans wrote:
trying to
support both UNIX and Windows is NOT a good idea.
And you can't lump the Mac in with UNIX here, even though it really is
UNIX
ten years. Or twenty. If ever.
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On 7/11/10 6:10 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:31 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
You said about macs...
Copying a file without the resource fork on a mac, *can* result in
essential data being lost (This is less common then it used to be). As
simple a task as chown
and leave it at that at this rate. I'm getting worn out of these kinds
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I've used hundreds,
thousands of times. I use it constantly.
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(indexing) where it
is not.
You don't need to build a tuple. Just change the tests, to if
choiceIdx1 is not None. Its a little more work, sure. But its not
enough that its even vaguely worth breaking the otherwise very useful
behavior of bool(0) == False.
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is indicating that when you do this INSERT, there is
no corresponding row in the products table.
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. So it only
really works if there's a user specifically clicking through it -- or if
you have code made to look for the .lnk files, parse them (they're
really simple INI files) and deference it manually. At least, IIUC.
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have to actual enter data in the correct order.
The constraints enforce consistency so programmer-error can't introduce
data into the tables which is out of whack with the data layout.
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On 7/7/10 11:52 AM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 7/7/10 11:38 AM, Victor Subervi wrote:
Hi;
I have this code:
sql = 'insert into personalDataKeys values (%s, %s, %s)' % (store,
user, ', %s'.join('%s' * len(col_vals))
cursor.execute(sql, col_vals)
First, its always best to be explicit
together still. Its just more likely the
higher the count that you have subsets that would benefit from logical
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is available now may change as soon as tomorrow or
later with very little real notice.
Yeah, you can get a MSDN subscription and get access to a lot. Lots of
people can't afford that just to compile an extension they support.
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generic SQL statement
which can set some arbitrary number of random columns-- if so, why? I
can't picture just what this table layout is or what kind of data it
holds to advise better.
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, and start a preemptive
reconfiguration to support a future Py3k migration.
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I downloaded the ISO, but it seems to be just a bit too big to fit on a CD!
The website says its a DVD iso.
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- PyQt
crypto - pycrypto
MT - PyMT
I think the point is QTPy would be pronounced cutie pie :)
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? :) Some play-through testing
appears to work. But, the dizzying array of nested def's up there leaves
me a bit dazed, so I'm wondering if there's a simpler way to accomplish
what I'm trying to do.
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I just can't yet.
I can't quite figure out why people are all, '3.x brings you nothing'.
Yes, the majority of the focus was cleaning, removing edges, but *lord*
there's a LOT I am VERY looking forward to using.
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a
decorator which has no args as @hello(), I can't abide. For internal
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and arguments to look like @hello(something). I don't want to have to
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On 6/30/10 11:58 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
On Wed, 2010-06-30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:14:38 +, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
On Tue, 2010-06-29, Stephen Hansen wrote:
There's nothing silly about it.
It is an exaggeration though: but it does represent a good thing to
keep
On 7/1/10 12:45 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/1/2010 12:32 AM, Mladen Gogala wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:04:28 -0700, Stephen Hansen wrote:
However, you can easily get what you want by using the 'reversed'
function (and similarly, the 'sorted' function), a la:
y = ''.join(reversed(list(x
into one in my head.
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on. Since we can't
destroy re, maybe we can go club baby seals.
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to be a certain amount of cross-polination from
unix-geeks to students-of-students-of-students-of unix geeks to spread
the idea, but it seems more pervasive for that. I just picture a
re-vangelist camping out in high schools and colleges selling the party
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On 7/1/10 5:41 AM, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
Stephen Hansen a écrit :
On 6/30/10 10:37 PM, Aahz wrote:
It may not be the primary concern, but elegance certainly is *a*
primary concern.
I concur.
Its not explicitly stated, but it is the Zen 0. This is further
supported by its implied
make /any/
distinction between adding a new attribute and replacing an old one that
already existed), and one when the name of that attribute is dependent
on some runtime state.
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design of a
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harm.
As long as setattr() exists in Python, that will be not so ordinary. :)
setattr is perfectly ordinary.
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it. Except to you,
*personally*. In your head, only. Its fine to believe that and treat
classes as special for you: but its your *choice* to do so.
If you want magic, go learn about metaclasses, descriptors, and such.
Othewrise, I give up.
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On 6/30/10 7:14 AM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
On Tue, 2010-06-29, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/29/10 5:41 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
Nobodynob...@nowhere.com wrote:
And what about regular expressions?
What about them? As the saying goes:
Some people, when confronted with a problem, think
-hill complaint: print() is really not that
significantly more difficult then the print statement. This isn't Ruby
or another language which has determined () is an onerous requirement
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On 6/30/10 9:22 AM, Lie Ryan wrote:
On 07/01/10 01:30, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/30/10 5:52 AM, Lie Ryan wrote:
On 06/27/10 11:24, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Producing print function takes a little bit more effort than
producing a
print statement.
(1) The main use-cases for print are quick
object.
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On 6/30/10 12:02 PM, Tim Chase wrote:
On 06/30/2010 01:50 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/30/10 11:39 AM, Stef Mientki wrote:
if len ( Result ) 1 :
But to prevent exceptions, i've to write ( I often forget)
if Result and ( len ( Result ) 1 ) :
Just do:
if Result:
You don't have to do
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, so I'll have to take
your word on that.
Okay, un-Bye :)
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hadn't ever heard of or seen Perl6 in _use_ anywhere, or even
available*. Granted, I am neither omniscient nor in any way connected to
those sorts of places where you are likely to see that, so it might be
my own personal tunnel vision.
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that lazilly
convert an iterable as needed.
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On 6/28/10 10:41 PM, rantingrick wrote:
I am pleased to announce optphart (alpha2)!
This is just stupid.
It isn't worthy of any more elaborate response.
You just don't get the point, do you?
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format, such as one with
quoting in fields. I don't know if that's what the OP is working with,
but good point: csv might be a good approach if this is more complicated
format then just a line with a couple commas.
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the same task.
It obviously applies less to the guru's who know all about regular
expressions and their subtleties including potential pathological behavior.
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featured for *very* good reasons-- but you don't bother addressing why
less is more here, you basically just declare it all shit) all the while
being simply insulting to the authors and users of those solutions.
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Windows has a way to track what you install, and the ability to
uninstall about three fourths of it later. That's it.
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not drop the harder one, setattr()?
Why would we? There are some corner cases where setattr is easier then
other options (such as thing.__dict__[key]).
There is no exclusive-OR here. There's no reason to drop the harder one.
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of the dodo.
Is Python perhaps less perfect, pure, with that addition to the language
denied?
Who cares? Perfection is what the Borg* worship, I like understandable. :)
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P.S
?
Yes. I'd submit a doc bug.
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outside of the context of
Smalltalk. Smalltalk may have originated it and may be one of the purest
forms of the concept, but...
To say you can't really know much about OOP without knowing much
about Smalltalk seems basically, well, wrong.
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and conflicting netiquette and on. But I decided it really
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So, I'm left with: wow. You kinda suck*, man.
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P.S. *Then again, I'm fairly sure anytime
On 6/28/10 2:20 AM, Thomas Jollans wrote:
On 06/28/2010 03:21 AM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/27/10 6:11 PM, geremy condra wrote:
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Grant
Edwardsinva...@invalid.invalid wrote:
If you install a real shell on Windows, then the hash-bang line works
fine
the
time I do.
I *could* use, say, print file_object, ... in those cases, but I
sort of hate that construct kind of a lot. So don't. :)
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just me, but I find both debugging and small scripts to be
very useful.
No one said otherwise, or that print was useless and never used in such
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, yeah, seriously :)
#1-#7 seem to all be quite about not just elegance, but how to define it :)
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, they should work fine
with later updates to 2.6. The exception of course would be if there's
some bug or regression that happened, but its not *supposed* to happen.
Conversely, if you upgrade to 2.7, you'll probably need to end up
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it is. Better a
'master' table with some related smaller tables that may only be used
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claims, and am going to go back to my OSX
Terminal.app :)
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full regex power and you know they won't try to
bomb you, just leave out the 'seeking = ' lines and cross your fingers.
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__slots__)
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and they're going down a path leading to pain and suffering.
So we will advise and share our experience in addition to, perhaps
eventually, answering directly.
If you don't like it, tough :)
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? How's C a scripting anything,
that you need an alternate for? :) I mean, scripting is what you use
to push around C programs :)
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scripts. You can
do that without breaking on 2.x.
Only sort of. But in Python 2.6+, you only need to from __future__
import print_function to make code work in both 2.x and 3.x (at least
insofar as the print situation is concerned).
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races to see which were the best for its
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said, if
you wish to reinterpret my words.
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-- but as it is, its 11 years since 1.5.2 was released and no one seems
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him. So we're
stuck with the Py3k break. :)
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Not at all, bash via msys is trivial to install and use.
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. If that works, great. If not, I'd try to call it.
Etc.
Then again it does depend on just what you're *doing* with the arg being
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://effbot.org/zone/exemaker.htm does approximately that and has been
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around and 4.0 will come
next, without it being some massive shift again. Not that it might not
bring fun and interesting new mind-reading capabilities, but I'm not
sure I see that there needs to be another Major Event. At least, not so
soon as 4.0.
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On 6/27/10 8:04 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:
On 6/27/2010 10:25 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/27/10 7:09 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:
So, my question is, what value can I use as the 2nd arg to isinstance
to see if
foo is a function? And while I'm on the subject, what types does
isinstance not
support
sanitization, even if you're
divinely capable of perfect sanitization and even if sanitization is a
trivial task that a monkey should be able to handle.
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P.S. *My
it, then you're actually imposing an order on how it
processes the query... unless your API is just a sort of opaque wrapper
for some underlining declarative structure. (Like ORM's try to be)
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for everything callable-esque? (I don't have a
3.x to play with on this temporary computer)
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. Not Benevolent _Diety_ For Life.
Just because a man has an uncanny sense of style (in the programming
sense) and a time machine, doesn't a god make.
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crazy (print crazy, not
withstanding) I've been pleased with the less odd edges as I explore Py3.
Until now.
Oh well, nothing can be perfect. :)
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On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:31 PM, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Clearly the user is upset and blabbing all sorts of incendiary
nonsense but again and again the good folks at SketchUp stay calm and
always attempt to help. This is how i would like to
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Stefan Reich
wertiges.prod...@googlemail.com wrote:
My complaint is about changing the syntax of print.
Okay.
To reiterate, I am strongly in disfavor of Python 3 and will stick to Python
2, for as least as long as Python 3 breaks my scripts.
This will be
Please ignore, sorry about wasted post. Having a posting issue, need to
test.
La de la la. Nothing to see here, move along.
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with letting you think its playing ball with you on that.
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, but via python-list.
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showing over
this particular change implied a level of usage which just seemed strange.
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it It hurts now, but
everything will grow better after.
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opened bug reports?
If not, well...
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